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Discharge 01-20-2005 08:16 PM

Remove Him.
 
Listen here “scallywags,”

You have your head of the Navy who does not role-play at all. He thinks it’s for “dumbasses”

He also told me while on tag, that he has been reported several times because he does not role-play. Up to this point, pirates were role-playing pretty good. I was enjoying myself with all this role-playing interaction.

I came over in peace to speak about our agreement. Why? Well earlier the day we had the Governess came over and landed on Dustari. According to our agreement we can sail freely but cannot land on tag. Anways, so I go over to speak about these terms because it’s like hey! What about our deal?

This guy, supposedly your head honcho of the navy comes and uses mushrooms to get me stuck. He starts pounding on me with every magic trick in the book while I’m just stuck. Personally, using mushrooms for an attack because it freezes boats is not very “rpish.” Not to mention it could possibly be seen as a bug abuse but I’m not sure. Anyways, he goes off and insults me with various occ comments while on tag saying he does not care. You know, in all my years of role-playing, I don’t think I ever encountered a member of a role-playing kingdom that has totally disregarded role-playing. He just straight out said he does not give dang about role-playing. You need to remove this guy, his obviously not meant to be in a kingdom. This guy should be in Graal Classic chopping up bushes all day. I got so ticked, I went out-of-character and reprimanded him.

Here is a screen shot.


http://www.anarbol.com/removecorsair.jpg

Edit: On a side note, the mayor comes down and just listens to him talk out-of-character on tag but does not say a word. I just warp out off tag because this event turned into a clearly occ matter.

Chris 01-20-2005 08:26 PM

I associate the Pirates with a group of idiots.
There are a select few that role-play and do it well, yet there are far too many that are on tag mouthing off incoherent crap along with a few choice words. It seems the higher ranking members turn a blind eye towards matters such as this. Perhaps the Governor and Governess should reconsider who they allow into the kingdom.

My two cents.

Zero Hour 01-20-2005 08:28 PM

Crap, it's the RP Gestapo.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris
I associate the Pirates with a group of idiots

I'll have you know that I'm a Pirate.

Infaustus 01-20-2005 08:36 PM

Amusing
 
Way to go, really good job. This is has got to be the saddest way to get back at someone I've ever seen. I told you marion was probably over there looking for a quest npc. And what does it matter that I destroyed your boat? Its my job in the kingdom. Besides I've been informed that roleplaying in the kingdom is recommended but not instructed. So you can take your complaint and shove it for all I care.

Zero Hour 01-20-2005 08:38 PM

Personallly, I think he's complaining because you're a crappy leader, not entirely because you don't RP. You're a bad image for Pirates, as far as I'm concerned and you will likely be removed. Who cares if you're sour grapes? No one. You just think we care.

syltburk 01-20-2005 08:44 PM

I am not role play?

Infaustus 01-20-2005 08:48 PM

When did I say that?
 
I really don't care if you do or not. I'm just defending myself so by all means do whatever you think is just. Its really not that big of a deal, marion wasnt on at the time I saw dustari boat so I acted.

Zero Hour 01-20-2005 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infaustus
Its really not that big of a deal, marion wasnt on at the time I saw dustari boat so I acted.

If those were your ideas upon acting then you were Role Playing. You said, in the screen shot, that you weren't role playing.

Infaustus 01-20-2005 08:58 PM

I dont roleplay its not required no one ever told me I had to

Sam 01-20-2005 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris
I associate the Pirates with a group of idiots.
I associate persons making such statements with arrogant, immature children.

Evil_Lord_Sparda 01-20-2005 09:13 PM

The whole point of Kingdoms is to Roleplay. If he does not do so then he should be removed; its just as plain and simple as that. Unfortunately, some Kingdoms are just being treated as PK guilds.

Infaustus 01-20-2005 09:20 PM

No one has ever said that so how was I suppose to know huh

Evil_Lord_Sparda 01-20-2005 09:22 PM

It's not your fault, but what I'd like to know is how you managed to get to such a high rank with no-one noticing..you wouldn't happen to be a high level, would you? :rolleyes:

Raziel 01-20-2005 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infaustus
No one has ever said that so how was I suppose to know huh


Quote:

Originally Posted by Governor Kerith Steele in Crescent Pirates Articles of Agreement
All ye scallywags and prospective Scallywags shall attempt to read and abide by these revised articles.

1. No Pirate shall fight, steal, scam or murder another Pirate, nor shall he/she
scam or steal kills of another.
2. No Pirate shall harass another in any form.
3. Avoid the use of Profanity.
4. Each Pirate holding the Rank of Captain or higher shall maintain an
acceptable level of activeness or face demotion and possible removal
from the position.
5. Each Pirate shall act appropriately at all times while on tag.

A Pirate found to be in violation of these articles shall find themselves
judged and punished by the Governer, Governess or Elder's of the Kingdom
of Pirates or by a council of his/her peers. The Punishments may range from
temporary rank reduction to being marooned on the mainland (removal from
Kingdom).

Governor Kerith Steele

Ever read this?

Infaustus 01-20-2005 09:29 PM

no Ive seen things about scamming and pking and junk

Infaustus 01-20-2005 09:31 PM

wait your refering to when I destroyed his boat right?

Raziel 01-20-2005 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infaustus
no Ive seen things about scamming and pking and junk

Well anyway there you have it.

EDIT: No, I was referring to the fact that, unless I'm mistaken, what Kerith meant there was for CP to roleplay.

Infaustus 01-20-2005 09:34 PM

I've told you all many times I'm suppose to blow non pirate ships in cp or main its what the corsair rank is all about (that and the navy part) if you dont believe ask alan

Raziel 01-20-2005 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infaustus
I've told you all many times I'm suppose to blow non pirate ships in cp or main its what the corsair rank is all about (that and the navy part) if you dont believe ask alan

Throwing mushrooms in the water that float to the top and manage to halt a ship is hardly the best RP way of sinking a ship.

Infaustus 01-20-2005 09:39 PM

lol is that what he said I did? nope I immoblized his ship with another spell, I wasn't rping either just gettind rid of a dustari boat in cp waters.

Raziel 01-20-2005 09:42 PM

:rolleyes: Don't you read anything...?

You were on tag, so you should have acted accordingly, RPishly.

Infaustus 01-20-2005 09:43 PM

what part of it are you talking about?

Raziel 01-20-2005 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infaustus
what part of it are you talking about?

Bah, forget it! Let your elders explain it to you.

MadScience7 01-20-2005 10:24 PM

Arius was Corsair when I came on board as Governor, and he has served loyally. Now that we are working on developing RP skills in CP, you will see more RP from Arius and
the other leaders as well. His sentence will be to spend some time with our RP trainer
Emily. If there was foul language on tag, he will have to visit the pillory as well.

The Paladin is correct, transport by Dustari ships through Crescent Pirate waters will
go unchallenged, unless the boats go ashore without permission or go into the crescent area, which is a challenge to engage our sailors in battle.

Zero Hour 01-20-2005 11:10 PM

I think this was especially stupid since you're not in an actual hostile state with ANY kingdoms. It would be like us, Canada, blowing some US fishermen out of the water because they were in our seas.

GoZelda 01-20-2005 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zero Hour
I think this was especially stupid since you're not in an actual hostile state with ANY kingdoms. It would be like us, Canada, blowing some US fishermen out of the water because they were in our seas.

With mushrooms ;)

Zurkiba 01-21-2005 12:29 AM

Graal Kingdoms fails for this reason.

We have leaders who promote the highest level people / most loyal people into leadership positions whom are not ready for those titles. They cant roleplay etc etc. Then the kingdom leader quits and gives it to that person because of 'loyal service'. Then we see about 100 people with tags like Sailor king of newbs (Cresent Pirates) PKing the hell out of everything.

And dude with the purple avatar who said RPing is optional. WRONG. RPing is only optional if you dont join a kingdom. If you do join a kingdom then you are required to roleplay, not even your kingdom leaders can change that rule.

Lance 01-21-2005 12:34 AM

Ugh. Disgusting.

Chris 01-21-2005 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zero Hour
I'll have you know that I'm a Pirate.

Don't worry. Nobody's perfect.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schlurfy
I associate persons making such statements with arrogant, immature children.

Good thing that's your opinion. At least mine is partially right or does this example of Pirate behavior seem normal to you? :rolleyes:

Discharge 01-21-2005 03:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MadScience7
Arius was Corsair when I came on board as Governor, and he has served loyally. Now that we are working on developing RP skills in CP, you will see more RP from Arius and
the other leaders as well. His sentence will be to spend some time with our RP trainer
Emily. If there was foul language on tag, he will have to visit the pillory as well.

The Paladin is correct, transport by Dustari ships through Crescent Pirate waters will
go unchallenged, unless the boats go ashore without permission or go into the crescent area, which is a challenge to engage our sailors in battle.

Why the heavens do you recruit people who can't role-play and put them in high positions in the first place? There is no excuse for this. You know, when we have disputes about people who don't role-play properly, they at least do attempt to role-play! In this situation, this person totally disregarded the whole aspect of the game Graal Kingdoms. He straight out said role-playing is for dumbasses. In addition, he also badmouths his kingdom by saying “no one can role-play and they are all a bunch of newbs.”

What is really, and I mean really bad is that his kingdom leader to a certain extent because his head of the Navy! How can you enter a role-playing kingdom and not know that role-playing is a must activity? Especially if you’re a head honcho. You can’t be a leader in your kingdom and not role-play at all. This person either needs to be demoted till he understands role-playing or kicked out. If I was the kingdom leader, I would be totally embarrassed. I don’t want to badmouth Governor Alan because his displayed the ability to role-play properly with me but It just kind of makes you wonder a little what are these guys doing.

About my ship; I saw you cast several spells around my ship. I saw mushrooms pop out, some monster underneath the boat and various sounds from who knows what spells.

Lance or someone in charged in developing Graal Kingdoms need to script the boats to run right through flowers, steak, mushrooms, coins, tree seeds, shovels etc..

A ship should be able to past by those things without halting the entire vessel. I mean, they are not icebergs were hitting but little small items that people throw overboard for whatever reason. They really get in the way of role-playing. The other day, King Padren and I were sailing in our vessels for role-playing purposes and I get stuck because there is a piece of bread in the water with shielding equipment floating around.


Here are substantial evidences that I will show you from these screenshots of the Governess paying the Kingdom of Dustari a visit. As I attempted to sail towards her for questioning she took off to the north into Zormite territory.

Python523 01-21-2005 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schlurfy
I associate persons making such statements with arrogant, immature children.

I associate comments like that with arrogant adults who like to feel superior because of their age.

Kaimetsu 01-21-2005 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zurkiba
We have leaders who promote the highest level people / most loyal people into leadership positions whom are not ready for those titles

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/errors/who.html

calani 01-21-2005 09:35 AM

Sadly, I've seen many instances of people on tag not rping, and frankly, it makes rping very difficult ;x It is amusing, however, watching the non-roleplaying community try and figure out what you're doing and why you're acting so strange... That's always fun ^^

Sam 01-21-2005 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris
Good thing that's your opinion. At least mine is partially right or does this example of Pirate behavior seem normal to you?
You cannot refer the behavior of a person (and this is the topic), to the entire group. Be simply more essentially please. I know you are an intelligent person.

By the way: One member of the Pirate-"idiots" is Stefan.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Python523
I associate comments like that with arrogant adults who like to feel superior because of their age.
I am sad that you are still so childlike as a guy of 17.

busyrobot 01-21-2005 05:34 PM

There are times when being out of character while on tag is defendable, in trade rooms, and such, but if there is ever a time when it is undefendable that would be in a conflict with another kingdom on tag.

To top that off, to use bugs is just as low as you can get. There is a reason why people who use magic on horses in kingdom battles get punished for it.

There is a reason also, why 'create food' is not intended to be an offensive spell >_<

Ships are already buggy, they are hard to navigate, people get stuck below deck, they get stuck on items, you can't enlarge the screen to actually see land ahead of you, you never know what is on the next screen when you go over a map divide, you have to get of the hold agian everytime you change maps, and you get warped into the walls below deck and have to unstick sometimes, or come above deck and appear on land but are unable to move.

That said, trying to use bugs to sink ships is just dispicable, and I will personally demote any Dustarian who does that in a naval battle.

I would like the guarantee of Alan that you'll likewise condem that conduct by your own members and please, lets assure people know they need to be ic when they engage in kingdom conflicts - it should really go without saying.

Chris 01-21-2005 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schlurfy
You cannot refer the behavior of a person (and this is the topic), to the entire group. Be simply more essentially please. I know you are an intelligent person.

Sure I can. If the leaders of the group and other members allow such behavior to occur than it's the entire group that is at fault. Guilty by association. Don't allow people that act like this to be in a kingdom if they're going to tarnish your 'good' name.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schlurfy
By the way: One member of the Pirate-"idiots" is Stefan.

Stefan isn't an active player. So your little cut into me is null and void.

Oh yeah. I agree with Jagen.

MadScience7 01-21-2005 09:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Discharge
Why the heavens do you recruit people who can't role-play and put them in high positions in the first place?

Anyone who has taken over rule of a kingdom and respects the previous administration
(as I do) will not go through and clean house by removing people already in positions
of leadership, unless as a last resort. That day may come, but it is not today.
I believe in giving loyal members a chance to change and improve.

I also think the right way to handle a conflict with a person in another kingdom, is to
contact their leader first before starting a discussion in forums. 'nuff said.

Nappa 01-21-2005 10:36 PM

It's amazing. The only person who thinks this, is the retard running the kingdom.

MadScience7 01-21-2005 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by busyrobot
I would like the guarantee of Alan that you'll likewise condem that conduct by your own members and please, lets assure people know they need to be ic when they engage in kingdom conflicts - it should really go without saying.

When you are Governor of Pirates, and I am not, then I will respond with a hearty "Aye
Aye, Sir". Until then you will get no guarantees by demanding anything in a public
forum. As always, I am open to a discussion of what could be done to improve Pirates
or improve its member's interactions with other kingdoms.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Nappa
It's amazing. The only person who thinks this, is the retard running the kingdom.

"We should always consider the source of our complements before we feel offended"
Mark Twain (paraphrase)

Evil_Lord_Sparda 01-21-2005 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadScience7
When you are Governor of Pirates, and I am not, then I will respond with a hearty "Aye
Aye, Sir". Until then you will get no guarantees by demanding anything in a public
forum. As always, I am open to a discussion of what could be done to improve Pirates
or improve its member's interactions with other kingdoms.

What the hell has that got to do with anything you idiot?
All Padren is asking for is for you, as leader of the Pirates, to make it your responsibility to make sure that your members do not abuse bugs to stop ships in an RP environment.
Basically, from that post I can ascertain that you will not be punishing Pirates who do this.


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