A Time for Change
 

After nearly a year of leading Zormite I have decided to pass the role of Dictatress to my eldest RP daughter, Akira Sagesun Archigos. This change will take place sometime this week. I will be supporting in the background, will remain somewhat active in the game, as well as continue to moderate Zormite forum during this transition.

I would like to thank everyone who contributed to the growth and development of Zormite during my rule. I sincerely hope our kingdom will continue to benefit from your leadership. Please support your new Dictatress with all your creativity and earnest.

To my Fedakahn, the idea man, my mentat, thank you for being the one and only who never failed my confidence, not once. Please stay and nurture and create.

To Zoe and Padren and Ana, comrades for life, my very strength, thank you for the support I counted on and still do. Your friendship has uplifted me and continues to do so.

To my Zanna, thanks for your sweetness, creativity, calm cheerfulness and support. Take your sister's hand in leadership and remember,... your role shall enlarge in months to come.

To my Akira, you have all my confidence and love both RP and real. I shall stand behind you, 'mother Wren's' hand at your back. Step forward, strong and sure in confidence. Enjoy the light that you have become to us all.

Wren Sagesun Archigos
Dictatress of the Zormite Republic

Wait so you basically have female dictators?

Wow. x_x

Alright Wren, its been a good run I suppose. Has it really been near a year already though?

Well, if I can help somehow with the transition, let me know. I'd like to be involved to some degree so I know what traditions and beliefs are being passed down to the next administration.

Also, agh, right around the same time Padren and Zoe stepped down. All at once, my favorite 3 GK leaders (besides myself ^^) have passed on their rule to a new generation. Curses

I guess I can start posting again now, without a remark being made for every post however good the intentions of it may have been.

Omy ...

I never got to know you well wren but it is still sad to see you step down, yet joyous to see a new ruler get to try her hand. I do and will continue to enjoy my time as a zormite and will support her to the fullest.

Congrats to Akira.

I thought in a republic the leader was elected ? Doesn't that go against everything you guys have been preeching ? :: Waits until this post is deleted ::

Akira = Aki?

Yes. I already know a few people quitting because of this, ahahaa (Quitting zormite, that is)

I was like WTF @ AKI

Still Waiting For Explanation Of How A Republic Has A Leader Who Was Passed Down The Crown From Her Mother


Edit: Damn you non-caps thingamabobber :(

I am sure it was addressed in more than one thread you were involved in nappa, a republic is a form of government that can have a dictator, just like Rome did under Caesar and others.

Please read the Zormite Constitution thread and familiarize yourself with Zormite 2k2. It is all answered in there.


Simple:
A dictator can give power to the person of their choice (having total powerful and all).
In this case, that choice is her daughter.

Congradulations to Aki.

No, idiot. I understand how the first dictator was dictator - They were elected. However the original dictator is not the entire populous thus does not have the right to place another person to replace themself. The entire Zormite should vote on the new leader.

At the point being, Dustari is more of a Republic then Zormite because there was some sort of voting involved when the new king/queen was chosen. Pretty pathetic.

Congratulations Aki <3 , Wren <3

Hmm, at this rate the only Kingdom NOT ruled by a woman is Forest, right?

Anyway, congratulations Akira, and good luck Wren.

Thanks for all your positive and supportive comments :)
I will try my best, to run this kingdom well, and make it more intresting. (:

Thank you Wren.....I won't let you down.

Akira Sagesun Archigos

I don't know what you prefer, an excuse to be rude or wasting people's time.

I told you to read the constitution.
http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=44486
Arguing once in a while is one thing but you cannot argue in every single thread and stray from the topic with every single post without it being considered disruptive. You have made your feelings about the nature of Zormite GK very very clear, in many previous threads. There is no reason for you to continue on with this hostility as the issues have been settled.
You don't like Zormite in GK. I don't like orcs in GK (bomies were invented for a reason) but I don't complain about it.

Stop spamming please.

a) Dustari did not vote, during times when leadership has been called into question, we have held votes to clarify what people want, out of character. Each kingdom is a group of people who RP, not a 'real republic' or a 'real monarchy' - which I am thankful for because I pay enough taxes irl.

b) The Zormite Republic has a Constitition that, as I stated above, is rather clear on how the resignation of an official is to be handled.

If the people [i]in[/b] Zormite are happy with the Republic (talking to both of you, GZ and Nappa) then that should be well enough.

GoZelda, back when you were in Zormite and Zen as Dictator, you were rather happy with the Constitition, which has remained unchanged since that time. Your complaining now really is just a way to attack Wren and her legacy on a personal level, and has nothing to do with the Republic.

Dustari had a senate, at one time.

Good times - I was a Senator then. :D
I was trying to lobby for lower fares for Dustarians using the ferry lol.
The Senate was dissolved at the end of Larrien's reign.

Wren, I am sorry to see you are retiring...I think you made a great choice in Aki she will do well.

The tradition of Zormite and Dustari's longstanding friendship was pervasive when I was first a soldier my very first day, it has persisted through our times, and will continue to be one of the great legacies that will carry on and be a source of pride for the future peoples of our two nations.


May the Republic always prosper, and her walls never fall.

Aren't you lucky there isn't an election
 

Zormite is not the real life world incase you haven't checked recently. However, it's constitution dictates what shall be.

One thing not to worry over, Nappa - You would never be elected. Only someone 'fool' enough to be your friend would make you a leader. :eek:

Zoe Sagesun

I don't remember him suggesting himself for the Dictatorship...that's a pretty big leap to make.

A missed point
 

Sorry you missed the point Gryffon. Just standby - watch more and listen closer.

Zoe Sagesun

If in the constitution of zormite it's not a republic due to hereditary changes in leadership, take the stupid Republic out of the name. I don't care if "Graal isn't real life". You can't change what a republic is.

I've already stated my feelings on the matter of the name.

'Republic' is by definition not fitting.

You know, definition 1a of 'republic' from dictionary.com...

Anything's possible, I suppose

Niether are you, huh ?

This is the whole point 'already stated' being the operative part of the statement, it is not worth yet again rehashing.

Everyone who disliked the term basically took it up with Zen at the time the Constitition and whole Republic was born.

That was a very long time ago that debate started, and died.


If you don't like it, leave Zormite over it. Oh wait, you aren't in zormite.
Time to move on to other topics then. :)


NOTE: I deleted my 'not privy' post as it missquoted gryf after he changed his post, so if anyone is trying to find out where I said that, its on that deleted post.

That would be the concept of people not being omnipotent, one that I am both fully aware of and accept.

At the same time you are not privy to every conversation and thing that goes on. We both know things that the other dosen't, and this in itself is the greatest flaw with the entire logical concept of human communication:D

That is like me saying 'I listend for 5 minutes, and I did hear a noise' and you saying 'I listend for 50 minutes earlier, and I heard none, I think you are mistaken'

All in all, it is yet one more tangent unrelated to this thread. :)

Wow *ignores dumb sidetopic that brewed* Wren I didnt know you too long but I wil still miss you nonetheless and it will take me a little while to get used to this fact :-/ Sorry for the constant bugging and such i tended to do and thanks for working me through rping and getting me through my times as an immigrant.

Foitisian Cris Felko

[QUOTE=busyrobot]This is the whole point 'already stated' being the operative part of the statement, it is not worth yet again rehashing.

Everyone who disliked the term basically took it up with Zen at the time the Constitition and whole Republic was born.

That was a very long time ago that debate started, and died.


If you don't like it, leave Zormite over it. Oh wait, you aren't in zormite.
Time to move on to other topics then. :)QUOTE]

Basically you are saying anything that was debated before and ended should never be questioned, and if you are not in a kingdom, do not point out its flaws ? That's stupid.

Just not in every single thread :)

Did you know that in the United States, if no presidential candidate receives the required minimum of electoral votes, than the Senate gets to choose the winner of the presidential election?

Did you also know that whenever the Senate is split 50/50, the sitting Vice President gets to cast the tie breaking vote? So in effect, if the Vice President is running for President for the comming 4 years, he could vote himself into power?

No system is perfect.

Also if both the President and Vice President were unable to lead the country, be it death, resignation, or some sort of illness, isnt the 3rd in line the Speaker of the House? I'm probably wrong, but its either that or a Cabinet member.

The point is, none of those people under the President and Vice President were voted into that presidential position of leadership or ever expected to have to lead the country at some point...but there always has to be some sort of line of secession to insure that some one is designated to run the country if something ubruptly causes the nation's highest office to become vaccant between election periods.

A monarch is a sovereign who inherits their power by birth rite, and being of royal blood.

In the Zormite Republic's case, the senior official of the ruling party becomes the "Dictator" of the nation, governing through party ideology. It can be justly construed that the constitution preferably favors a direct offspring of the former leader to take their place because that individual would be least likely to have ulterior conflicting motives against the party or their own parent. This is also why it is left partially open ended, to include less direct family members if need be to avoid obvious issues. Also, the family member who inherits the office could just as quickly be replaced if the ruling party loses its supremacy.

Every nation who operates as a republic has their own flavor of it. No two governments are perfectly identical. This is simply how the early leaders of the Zormite Republic chose to handle the country's line of secession between election periods.

Additionally, it would probably make more sense to those who are unaware if they knew the story behind the beginnings of the Republic. Basically, the country fell into a sort of anarchy, from general fear of instability and revolution. There was so much panic caused by the fear of revolution, that the Emperor basically forfeited his right to rule the land and allowed for a new government to be structured from the ground up. A bloodless Revolution, I suppose.

But at any rate, the only visionaries that had their stuff together early on was a group of Loyalists, who supported the former royal bloodline. Infact, they named their political ideology after the royal family's last name: Archigos; and after becoming more ogranized formed the National Archist Party of Zormite, or NAPZ. And obviously, they had a hand in drafting the new constitution. Its that party's choice to want a member of the former royal family to be the leader of their party. So as long as NAPZ was able to remain the ruling party, through consent of the people, they in effect accomplish a secondary goal which was to preserve the monarchy in some form, but in a modernized, more stable architecture of government.

So NAPZ, a party supporting the former royal family, had a hand in influencing how the line of seccesion was to be played out according to the consitution, but understand that the same constitutional principle would apply even if another party managed to gain control of the country (with a senior official having no royal relations).

The government is wholy structured properly as a Republic, regardless of whether or not Zormite's is a common flavor in the real world.

Synonym of Monarch; Dictator. I already explained that on this forum but the post was deleted.


'Some sort of voting' != voting.

'But that's the diff' - Quote from Ana on-tag. RP, you said? I guess not. The leader apparently can't follow the kingdom's own rules. And now you'll come up with some crap that she's the leader and stands above them

Which some are not.

No I was not, but I trusted Zen.

Hell no it's not, but everytime I try to explain that my posts vanish in thin air.

Omy, its just in one ear and out the other with you people.

I think Zen has more than adequately explained here (and justified) why the political structure of Zormite can and is legitimately called a Republic. This time, last time and the various times before that. Thank you once again, Zen. We can now put that topic to rest in this, as in many other (hijacked) threads. At least SOME of us understand it. Others seem to have a need to have it explained again from time to time and Zen always does an excellent job of it.

Anyway, this thread was not intended to be a discussion about the political structure of Zormite, or whether kingdom leaders RP to your standards or not. This thread topic has an original theme. It's about Zormite, and an announcement about a change in personnel. Nappa, your habit of posting off topic, at best, is annoying. Many have expressed this. Gozelda, I plan to continue my moderation of the Zormite forum. You are duly informed.

Certain profoundly uncreative persons will always attempt to direct discussion by contributing remote (repetitive) tangents laced with as many personal insults as possible. Yet others are limited to whining about the behaviors and non-RP-ish statements of kingdom leaders they don't like. Its pathetic, but at least the rest of us have the satisfaction of predictability in both cases.

(Have you ever seen that Lamisil dermatophite commerical? Anyway...... yeah ;) )

Which as padren so adequately pointed out is what is occurring here.

Except you just described a monarchy.

But this never happens, right? That Dictator controls who joins the kingdom - they can never really be overpowered unless they let a bunch of people who are their rivals/enemies into the kingdom. I somehow doubt that Wren, for example, would have allowed Nappa and all of his followers in the kingdom.

But when you convert to a monarchy, you cannot and should not call this a Republic. It wasn't one to begin with, really, and this has not changed. Zen picked Wren. Wren picked Aki. Continue cycle.

I'll further note that the phrase 'early leaders of the Zormite Republic' is humorous.

A new government where the same Emperor who forfeited his right to rule the land suddenly became the Dictator...? Man, your argument is weaker when you're giving explanations now than it was when it just occurred without explanation.

okay so you wrote a nice little paragraph about why you got to keep power wow that's so cool

it's just a story though, please refer to next point

Except that the conversion to the Zormite Republic with you as dictator happened instantaneously. I was online at the time.

Unfortunately, calling a sheep's tail a leg does not make it one. Likewise, calling Zormite a Republic when it not only was never one but has degenerated to even less of one does not make it so.

He's actually managed to do the exact opposite.

Legitimate discussion != hijacked thread.

An excellent job of it...? He just demonstrated that he has no idea what he's talking about. :whatever:

Off-topic posting is not against the rules, and neither should it be. We've been over this before. Legitimate topics spring up from other topics. The best suggestion I can make about them is that if it really bothers you, you should split the thread.

-dances for lance-

My point is, this dictatorship is stupid. Where's the oppressiveness? Hell, I VOTE MOON GODDESS FOR DICTATOR OF ZORMITE. No seriously, she would atleast live up to her name.

On a more serious note, why call it a dictatorship when it's not?