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WHIPENIE4 07-31-2004 11:33 PM

Things Not To Do As A Manager
 
THINGS NOT TO DO AS A MANAGER
- Leave IP Range *.*.*.*.* - Doing so will give access to anyone who might get that staff members password whatever rights you gave him.
- Give high rights to someone you don't know and trust - Results in that person one day getting angry at you, deleting all you're work, and you having to start back where you had last backed up if you did, possibly attempting to take over you're server and Spark having to be called apon to save you.
- Give huge access to level/npc folder - results in deletion as well, try making a folder if you MUST have them being able to upload, give them a folder to put levels for you to accept or deny them.
- Hire Events Team/GP's before you even get on classic tab, sure you want to bring interest to your server, but still, why do they need to even exist yet, they are wasted space, Developement is all you need at a Under Construction level.
- Post BLANK BLANK is hiring without Screen Shots or something, nobody wants to work for someone who doesnt work himself and hasn't got ANYTHING up yet, thats just plain out wrong, in fact, I wouldn't even buy space until I have enough to get on the Hosted Tab, but thats me not wanting to waste my money I work so hard to earn.
- Leave your server for weeks times and just show up to see how progress is going - What the hell? What type of manager are you? MANAGE. you should be doing more work then anyone else, its your money, don't waste it.



thats about it. yep. i've made a point i've wanted to make for oh so long. Thank God its out of my system

Crono 07-31-2004 11:55 PM

w0rd, I agree with almost everything.

Okilian 07-31-2004 11:58 PM

I have to agree with most of it. Great ideas for some eager to be managers. It's kinda weird when you see these new servers just buying servers with nothing behind them. But not my money, I guess.

Nappa 08-01-2004 12:02 AM

Stop telling people what to do, especielly when you have no right to.

Dach 08-01-2004 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Nappa
Stop telling people what to do, especielly when you have no right to.

yeah, nice job being constructive there
he's simply putting out what he thinks makes a good manager, take it or leave it

VeX_RaT_Boy 08-01-2004 04:17 AM

All manager should have that as an instinct, not something they are needed to be told x.x

MaverickOriginal 08-01-2004 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Nappa
Stop telling people what to do, especielly when you have no right to.

Why? Do you disagree with any of what he said? It's all valid and relative in Graal today, since alot of servers ARE doing what he said, so this post is very good for the people that are making mistakes.

Monkeyboy_McGee 08-01-2004 01:52 PM

Mmm, very good, but i wonder just how many of the people who've baught or are going to buy servers will pay any attention to it o_o

LordMatt 08-01-2004 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkeyboy_McGee
Mmm, very good, but i wonder just how many of the people who've baught or are going to buy servers will pay any attention to it o_o

zero,0,zilch,squat

VeX_RaT_Boy 08-01-2004 04:19 PM

I pay attention to it, of course I knew that from before of. Read my post up there ^

matt8891 08-01-2004 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WHIPENIE4
- Hire Events Team/GP's before you even get on classic tab, sure you want to bring interest to your server, but still, why do they need to even exist yet, they are wasted space, Developement is all you need at a Under Construction level.

- Leave your server for weeks times and just show up to see how progress is going - What the hell? What type of manager are you? MANAGE. you should be doing more work then anyone else, its your money, don't waste it.

I just disagree with those 2.....A playerworld should be allowed to hire GP and ET....Well maybe not GP....My server is on the Hosted Tab and we get alot of people time to time so i have 1-2 ET's...No RC though.

And about the managing thing....Let the manager do what he wants...Im not saying your wrong but it's his/her idiotic choice to do this....Just let them fail to make their playerworld succesfull.

Monkeyboy_McGee 08-01-2004 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by matt8891
And about the managing thing....Let the manager do what he wants...Im not saying your wrong but it's his/her idiotic choice to do this....Just let them fail to make their playerworld succesfull.

Nonono, the reason we want them to do things right is that, when they screw up, they have to go whining to stefan or spark or unix or whoever, complaining about how their server's been haxed up and the staff have to waste time fixing it just because that "manager" didn't do his job properly o.o

brock128 08-01-2004 05:10 PM

I think when it's invisible, maybe one GP or something at most. When it's in the hosted tab, one or two GPs and an ET. Maybe more if it's a popular server. When it gets to the Classic tab, go nuts.

Geno 08-01-2004 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by VeX_RaT_Boy
All manager should have that as an instinct, not something they are needed to be told x.x

thats what i am saying.

if a manager of a playerworld has to get tips from this thread. they should not be a manager at all.

matt8891 08-01-2004 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Geno
thats what i am saying.

if a manager of a playerworld has to get tips from this thread. they should not be a manager at all.

There only a Manager NOT because of their skill...But how good they convinced Stephane or Stefan when they sent in there playerworld submission summary.

Geno 08-01-2004 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by matt8891
There only a Manager NOT because of their skill...But how good they convinced Stephane or Stefan when they sent in there playerworld submission summary.

are you trying to say thats the only reason you are a manager?

it dosnt matter how they got the playerworld. i am saying that if they don't already know that stuff. they should not be a manager.

Crono 08-01-2004 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by matt8891
There only a Manager NOT because of their skill...But how good they convinced Stephane or Stefan when they sent in there playerworld submission summary.

Things are easier said than done. They can convince stefan but that still doesnt change the fact that they might suck. :)

matt8891 08-01-2004 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami
Things are easier said than done. They can convince stefan but that still doesnt change the fact that they might suck. :)

Very true....Some Managers just like that power of abusing a Level4 RC.

WHIPENIE4 08-01-2004 09:57 PM

how would you go about getting workers if you hardly work? I forgot the idea of hosted tab, I believe it was to show what you have and maybe gain staff, but thats probably wrong, still, Events Team isn't needed yet, not really, I mean when all the classic slots are filled, you apply for the spot, If you get it you are oh so happy, for a good day or 2 you have 100+ players, then all the players go back to where they came from, except people who might have gained staff position from their visit, you're back to 30 players a day. HOPEFULLY THIS ALWAYS WONT HAPPEN TO ALL PLAYERWORLDS CAUSE IM LOOKING FORWARD TO SOME GREAT PLAYERWORLDS. but this happens to most playerworlds. they lose interest after a while. and the least Developed you are, the faster they leave. WORK BOY.

Scott 08-01-2004 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by matt8891
Very true....Some Managers just like that power of abusing a Level4 RC.

I know I do. :cool:

thrashsoul 08-01-2004 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by matt8891
Very true....Some Managers just like that power of abusing a Level4 RC.

You get over the feel in a couple days.

matt8891 08-02-2004 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by thrashsoul
You get over the feel in a couple days.

I know......They the Manager realizes that he doesnt wanna waste $59-$99 on a playerworld where no people will ever look...Then he decides to hire staff...Then he must learn to be strict with rights...No level4RC for GP...Lol

Raelyn 08-02-2004 02:36 AM

I am working on a server, and I am not even going to waste the time buying a server until it's "done" (considering I intend to do major updates to it monthly/bi-monthly even after it's so called "completion").

Even so, I doubt I would hire any staff for it. If I can't do something myself, I will learn, if I can't do something fast enough alone, then it will just have to take longer. If I did hire anyone, it wouldn't be a whole crew, I don't need like 4 of every type of developer, christ, people can do more than one thing, if I hired someone I would expect them to be proficient at multiple things, be over the age of 18, and have a very similar evaluation process on "what makes a good game worth playing". If they can't meet those requirments they are likely too stupid, immature, and lazy to be of any help anyways. Too many times I've been invited to work on servers and was given RC, only to be there for less than a week and realise I was the only one producing any content for the server.

Sadly, alot of these such servers have an owner, 2 co-owners, a manager and like 3 co-managers, and like 1-2 actually working class titles, GAT/NAT, etc. For instance, I think there was a server named Aleria (changed names before once that I know of) or something which had a very similar case, 2 owners, 4 managers, and me, the graphics admin, I was questioning why there were no scripters and I think a owner and a manager claimed to be the scripters, after which I was talking to them about scripting something to implement the GUI/Menu system I spent a couple days doing and they said that's a great idea, let's do it, two weeks later, they hadn't even started.

I had like full rights and folder access the day I was hired. :whatever:

matt8891 08-02-2004 02:54 AM

Yea...Alot of private servers have WAY too many high staff....Ive seen 2 owners and to managers...then 1 co manager...Thats rediculous.

Raelyn 08-02-2004 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by matt8891
I know......They the Manager realizes that he doesnt wanna waste $59-$99 on a playerworld where no people will ever look...Then he decides to hire staff...Then he must learn to be strict with rights...No level4RC for GP...Lol

Sadly, they don't always learn that one. :whatever:

Raelyn 08-02-2004 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by matt8891
Yea...Alot of private servers have WAY too many high staff....Ive seen 2 owners and to managers...then 1 co manager...Thats rediculous.

The funniest part is, most of the servers look like they have never been touched by ANY staff, there are way too many default, abandoned playerworlds too. :whatever:

matt8891 08-02-2004 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Raelyn
Sadly, they don't always learn that one. :whatever:

Of course...But as i said before its up to them if they want to waste all that money on a project....Just dont come whining to globals once your being hacked ot your stuff is removed.

TESTRETIS 08-02-2004 06:50 AM

X-Mann rules =P

Raelyn 08-02-2004 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TESTRETIS
X-Mann rules =P

What in the cake is this random uselessness?

Raelyn 08-02-2004 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by matt8891
Very true....Some Managers just like that power of abusing a Level4 RC.

Abusing RC isn't much fun if you're the only one on your server. :whatever: You would think that logic alone would have them working harder to convince people thier server is worth playing, but sadly it does not. When there is no one to abuse thier RC at, they just get lazy and sit around. :whatever:

osrs 08-02-2004 06:06 PM

Being manager nowaday is not that great anymore, anyone can be manager. Even if i wanted to rent a playerworld and don't work on it, it's my problem i suppose?


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