Pirate Crews and Captains
 

Sometime ago, ship crews once existed within the Kingdom, and over time things have kinda fallen apart on them. Its time to revive all this and bring our crews back into full swing again. So starting today, Captains should begin putting their ship names in tag, as well as their crews. Along with this, I am requesting that each Captain, send the First Lady or email to me the list of your crews as they stand. Any Captain not having a full crew by the 12th of May can expect action to be taken against them.

The Pirate Kingdom is in need of more active Captains and crews. Piracy within the Pirate waters and Mainland waters has been reinstated, and very few have taken action. Others I'm sure aren't even aware of this as they've not been online during the toguilds or just haven't been around when the messages were sent out.

Captains if your in question email me or contact me in game. I'll be happy to explain this, the concept of the Piracy or other messages in detail, but not all are meant to be posted here in the Forums. It would be nice to get emails of all Captains so more contact between us can be established.


Asst Governor,
Kerith Steele
[email protected]

How many in a crew makes it a full crew? and is there enough active members to make these numbers?

I'd be happy to join a crew...once Markb's gone :rolleyes:

That'll be hard to do with our limited rights.

Last time we had the crews it was 1 captain + 5 crew members:
1 captain
1 first mate
1 lookout
3 sailors (gunners and whatever)

But that was back when I was vice governor, rules are always subject to change. I hope there are still enough active members for more than one ship =x

Dehitay has 5 bumbs on his crew
but unfortunately, I only know of 2 of their accounts

5 is the Correct number for crews at present. Captain, First Mate, 3 crewman of various ranks. Current Rights shouldn't inhibit anyone at all, you might not be able to promote anyone directly into your crews, but you can either email me with the account names or talk to the First Lady, and she'll forward on the names. The thing is there is no wall, a slower method to getting things done, but eventually that will all come around. Misty being Mayor can even take down account names and forward them onto me.

An just so you know crews can have more than 5, the number is just a minimum for operation. If any Captain has more than 5 members and a shortage of Pirates seems to be abound. Talk to another Captain and see
about pulling someone over to your own crew. We do not have a lack of
knew members coming into the Kingdom.

Asst Governor
Kerith Steele
[email protected]

Things changed. They did the opposite of what I did. People were actually demoted for no reasons. When I came in, I took out Councilman (when it was an important rank full of rights) and gave them the rank of Captain- giving the rank of Captain the rights a Councilman would have needed. Also, if anyone was a Captain at the time, they lost that rank and got one of equal value so they wouldn't get a false promotion, but to keep them from being demoted. So I basically increased the value of a rank. However, after I left, they decreased the value of the Captain rank and demoted people along with it (in other words: in a sense, they put the government officials, whether they supported me or not, as normal civilians)

OMG, that is in no way important and hardly even related
stop being an attention hog

Actually, it is.
Start thinking.

You don't need to make a post about you praying to your god. :spam:


And it is related. This thread is about Captains and crews. Gozelda posted about limited rights. So I responded, talking about rights regarding Captains for their crews.

praying to my god?
must have been a different thread

Cyrin posted about not having enough rights to do something
(I still don't know what he wouldn't have enough rights to do
Make people add a crew name to the end of their name and write down an account?)

You posted about how you changed ranks when you were governor
just like you always post about what you did when you were governor
and once again, you made the freaking topic all about you, again
Congratufreakinglations

Exactly what rights do you really need to ask someone in the Kingdom to join your crew? Everyone here is quite aware of the bug with promotional rights, and the way to deal with that was to remove the right except for a few. If you wish to recruit outside the Kingdom for your crew, by all means, do so, and either PM the First Lady or myself with the account name and such, and we'll see to it that things get done.

I will say this though, if this is the only excuse a Captain can come up with for not being able to form his crew, then he's not really trying to do his job. Other Captains are working quite well without the Promotion or Adding rights, and I really don't see the
need to use it as an excuse.

Ziro, once again your input on this subject isn't required, this post is directed at the Pirate Kingdoms citizens and Captains. It doesn't require outside comment, and you
are well aware of why certain rights have been restricted. It's time for you to move on, and for the inflamatory posts to be put to a halt. Everyone is quite aware of your
desire to return to Pirates and be Governor again, and if it were truly meant to be then
their would have been more support.

And what if I'm a European player with two tyrannic parents who won't let me on the computer after, say, 8 o'clock? Very, very slim change I'll see you then.

Why?

Actually, Kerith made it even more complicated than it needs to be
You don't need to tell a mayor, Kerith, or Alisa personally
the person who is trying to get into Pirates can tell an authroity figure themselves
or if by some strange chance, you and the new recruit can't get to them,
you can pass it on to another captain or crewman
And if by some strange chance you and the person are only one during 1 second per day and can't do that much, you still have the forums

As for why, it's because some people cannot be trusted with power
It is obvious there is one captain amongst us who keeps moving houses around without permission
I only wish we could figure out who it was

There isn't.

Actually, I did make it more complicated than was needed. I've freely given the email address I setup for accepting messages for people seeking to enter the Kingdom and for those in Pirates that wish to send in suggestions, ideas or even make complaints. As for there isn't anyone abusing rights? yeah, there is, I spent 5 days monitoring houses that had been shifted about, took the rights away until I limited it down to a specific group, so yes, Im quite aware that a Captain shifted houses around after it was made clear not to without the owners permission. Rights will be returned and more powers granted as they can, but until that time, its quite possible to recruit your
crews from within the Kingdom and forward a message. Its not optimal or fast, but its workable, until other problems have been fixed.

Kerith Steele
[email protected]

Back to the Past and now to the present.
 

[QUOTE=Ziro_Vitrudestec] Captain at the time, they lost that rank and got one of equal value

I was Captain Cecelia Di under the rule of Valder and had no rights, just as it is now.Ziro then became Captain, and he also had no rights as Captain. As Valder chose Ziro to succeed him, Ziro demoted me to Raider which was not equal by any means and my crew was also demoted. My first mate was then demoted to swordsman. These are not equal and Captain Cecelia Di was no more. :frown:

Captains then came into the kingdom from nowhere. Misty Di can back me up on that. They had rights they didn't earn, and they didn't work their way up from first mate as I did. Yes, they had more rights but did they stick together and from a great team with their crews? (Not) We need crews like that, who play and learn together. We need Captains that are proud of their crews, who report to the Governor when their crewmen need to be ranked up. Captains should also enjoy holding mini events, like Dehitay does. I will provide small prizes out of my own pocket for these events, as it makes me happy to see Captains making games and mini events. When the captains hold these events, I will provide the prizes. :cool:

So I think that ranks that are earned is something we can all take pride in. :)

Your First Lady,Alisa Thorn Steele

I miss Cecelia Di <3<3<3

When I was capain.
 

I do so miss being Cecelia and having my daughter play side by side with me. We were such a good team. There were good times and good friends, who didn't expect much from a 10 year old player. I was such a good role player that Ziro didn't even believe that I was an adult. My son didn't want anyone to know his mom was playing so I played as his sister. When Ziro decided to demote me I even gave him my drivers license number to prove I was an adult. He lived in the same state so that wouldn't be hard for him to look it up. He still didn't believe or care to keep me. It might have been he just wanted his personal friends to be Captain. I role played a 10 yr. so well that he said I wasn't qualified to stay a captain and have all those rights, for that I was too young. Ha ha he was the same age as my son. So who says that I can't handle rights. He says I can't role play, if so then I fooled all. Really I did have to be careful as my child watched my every move. In a way people were respectful to me as a 10 yr. GoGetter was my first account I then saw that the game was safe for her to play on her own. I decided she could play alone. At that time Ziro had demoted the GoGetter account and therefore Cecelia Di had left the kingdom. My daughter played for some weeks then she stopped playing and now the GoGetter acct. is idle. >_<
I started up TooManyK9s as a new acct. and played as an adult. Ziro thought I was another player. He saw I had many house's and a well run shop on the Pirate Island. He approached me and asked if I would leave Dustari and come run the shops as Trade Master. I did and then worked my way back up to Captain with all the rights he thought I couldn't handle. I did need some training and Ziro was patient. I didn't need to work hard to get a full crew, it seemed fun. What is needed is some type of motivation. To have a feeling of challenge to get into a superior crew where you need to meet requirements to qualify. I told the members that they had to pass three tests to be in my crew. Two of which were: to find their way through the dungeon to CP. Island and the other was fight wild pet monsters and not die. I can't remember the third. One Crew member who was gung ho was Dehitay who is a fine example of a captain today. Another crew member was believe it or not Kerith. I was and am very proud of me old crew members. Forming a full crew can be fun. There is limited time left, May 12, I believe and I haven't seen Calias (Eld) does someone have his E-mail it tell him? :\

The third test was mining stuff for the crew
I dumped off 30 coal I believe as well as fighting pets bare handed and braving the dungeon
Go, newb Dehitay, go!

i remeber when we ran that shop together Alisa...those were fun times, CP was great back then

Maybe you should have learned to roleplay as a Pirate0 instead of a 10 year old girl playing a computer game.

All wrong. You weren't demoted. The ranks and rights were changed. Councilmen (one of the highest ranks) were put as Captains, but given the same rights as before. Captains didn't have these rights before. Therefore, the rank Captain had true value during my Governorship. They actually had *gasp* rights to manage their own crews. Alisa (TooManyK9s) was not a councilman. Thus, she was not kept as a Captain. All the previous Captains were temporarily put in a rank right below Captains. Same for the First Mates. It was made clear that this was also only temporary. However, Alisa doesn't keep up with things as you can see (she doesn't even know how to use the forums), and she instantly was upset and quit. I had no hard feelings over it and was happy to see her go- this was a "Pirate" who'd go around on tag saying "lol". Her RPing improved when she'd annoyingly call everyone "lad".

You didn't fool me into working your way up to Captain. You instantly told me you were GoGetter. I gave you a chance to prove yourself as a worthy member and let you be Captain (since you seemed to be a dedicated member and all)- a big mistake. You've continuously seemed to give the leadership the same problem- quitting and then coming back (as we can see in forum posts by MarkB).

Learn to let threads die. Read the dates. I didn't want to respond- but you just continued mentioning me.

Furthermore, again, you're wrong. People were not randomly becoming Captains. You may see it as such because you were a long time member, but never a good RPer. Gozelda is an excellent RPer. He earned his Pirate rank fairly. Other people with ranks and rights had good balance of PvP skills and RPing. They all proved their worthyness. There wasn't much competition either- the kingdom was kind of small due to people not liking our STANDARD RP rules (be RPing while on RP tag).

She actually does well in leadership/administrative rolls, hence she is First Lady of CP now, much higher than a Captian.

Kerith left twice, just as Alisa did. He's the Assistant Governor now. Many more have left as well during Mark's reign.

Um, okay, I will choose to say nothing instead of something not nice.

Dustari didn't have trouble with our above standard rules :)

Do I need to remind you when you declared Dustari and all the other kingdom's 'non existant' to CP and threatened to punish any pirates rping with us?

I don't think that was in the rp standards rule book.

"Gozelda is an excellent RPer. He earned his Pirate rank fairly. Other people with ranks and rights had good balance of PvP skills and RPing. They all proved their worthyness. " ~ 0 -e +i

RPing skills are no where near as important as leadership skills when determining a leader

When it comes to kingdoms, good leadership and roleplaying skills come hand in hand, buddyboy. In fact good roleplaying skills just add to the quality of a leader (as long as his leadership skills aren't in the negative :O)

I'm not entirely sure if you understand what you just said
when something comes "hand in hand" that means they always come together
in this case, a good leader would be a good RPer
and a good RPer would be a good leader
If you just mixed up the lingo, ignore Dehitay's ranting >=P
but otherwise
Like hell if those 2 traits are equivalent
I'm pretty sure everybody knows somebody who can RP but wouldn't trust as a leader
and I'm sure there's a good leader around that doesn't care about RPing
This almost goes back to Era's freaking insane "good PKing = good leadership skills"

You did say something- and it wasn't nice since it was a waste of space and time.

You don't know what you're talking about. I didn't threaten to punish Pirates RPing with you all. Also, please stop trying to use this whole "isolation" policy as the only point for you to say I'm a bad leader. This was not the basis of the RPing. This only came in later after we were already doing well (after we brought in good RPers, and the PvP-only non-RPers were washed away because they didn't want to stay).

You shouldn't have a say in either of these topics anyways (including the one about Gozelda). If you're hinting that he's a bad RPer- look to yourself first. You're the one who, roleplaying as a king (which you'd expect to have more intelligence than a pirate), couldn't grasp the concept (OOC nor IC) of my character being chased off of the crescent island and having no time nor concern to hand over the wearhouse keys in a "civilized" manner. Yeah, right... a dirty, crude, vulgar pirate is forced away from his home and out of governorship of the island by his own people and he's going to turn back and say "Oh yeah, here's the keys...items...possessions and all that will help you govern the island. Good luck." You're also the one who refered to the kingdom and/or island as "CP" (exactly like that) in character. And people such as you say I was some kind of dictator of RPing- you're dictating the story/RPing of Graal by saying "CP" IC (it's forcing the belief that the language characters speak is "English"... gee, I wonder where that originated from... a place called England [sounds similar to the language]? Where that? North of Dustari?). RPing really just takes common sense ;)

They come hand-in-hand... A good leader (of an RP group) is not a good leader (of an RP group) unless he or she can RP well. If a person cannot RP well, he or she can never be a good leader for an RPing kingdom.
It reminds of a confusion I had with a friend regarding a part of the background story of Lord of the Rings- it ended with him laughing and saying "It would be hilarious if the high leader of the Elves was only like 1/9 Elf" (that's basically just another point of a leader not having qualities that make up the essense of the group...).

but still the 1/9th elf could be a good leader for the elves
and I'm convinced I could find a way to run a kingdom well without being in favor of RPing
I'm the type of guy that likes to hold events and the such to entertain
and I'm almost positive that events would be preferred even more than RPing

Maybe you're right in the case of the elf. It doesn't work in this case of an RP group though.
A more better example would be like if the Pope wasn't really Catholic. Do you understand now? Everything said or told would be somewhat hypocritical.

The fact is, you can't be a good leader for an RP group if you're not in good favor of RPing (meaning you strongly support RPing and are a good RPer). You can do everything else with the kingdom- but the main point of the kingdom is the RPing.

And I thought I'd take this time to point something out also- events (especially ones with prizes) are not what RPing is all about. Padren has attacked me before on this fact saying how he doesn't see me organize big RP events and never did (though it's not important for him to see it... the fact that I did it is enough). RP events with prizes aren't needed to spread the word of good RPing or be a good RPer. Sure, it's possible to use this method to bribe people to RP. Know what will happen though? The ones who don't really want to RP will stop RPing after the event. That's not good RPing. Ideally, the idea one may have is to attract non-RPers with the items and get them to RP. Then they'll start RPing all the time since they had fun in that event. Yeah right... only in the ideal world. They may be encouraged to join other events with prizes- sure, but that's all.

I bring it up as it is a point where you went from moderate lunacy into off the deep end lunacy.

http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=50137

Anyone RPing with a Dustarian, would be breaking your own RP rules.

People hated it. I remember it clearly. Everyone wanted Dustari to support someone, anyone to replace you. People didn't hate RPing they hated your freaky brand of it.

If you have passed judgment upon me then I guess I shouldn't post in the forums at all. :rolleyes:
Actually, you fail to understand in good rping you need to satify both ic and ooc elements - not just act immaturely, then blame it on 'oh, that's how my character is' later when you don't want to fess up that in fact, you acted that way due being upset out of character.

...I'll tell anyone who has ever signed an RP letter with their initals instead of name that the Emperor has spoken and he is not happy. :rolleyes:

Did you even read this before you posted? This is exactly the sort of thing I dislike - spur of the moment critizisms on the RPing of others, derived not due to observing of bad RPing, but out of a grudge, and some how turning it into 'lolol, Padren thinks England is in northing Dustari so he can't have an opinion lololol'

I can't believe you said using initials is out of character. Then you went on with that England tangent thinking it was somehow....a reasonable argument.

signed - PTS (Oh wait I mean GKX cause its more ic and non-englishy >_< )


Theory is meaningless if you can look at someone and see clear as that they would be a terrible, terrible leader. You can't derive 'and thus, so and so must be a good leader due to these other factors.

If I see the guy RP someday, maybe I'll evaluate if he is any good. Until that day, I won't make any judgement other than in my experience to date, when he gets ticked off, he doesn't handle it in a mature manner, which is required for RPing under stressful conditions, as well as leadership.

I dont see the point in this discussion isnt this all old news ?

That is simply your own opinion.

I had no freaky brand of it. Be more specific when you say "it". I said already- that whole isolation act was just a small part of my term as Governorship. I did much more and was around for a much longer time than that minor period.

You need to learn how to RP. Some things need to be discussed on OOC terms. The fact is that I was referring to a situation where we were speaking IC and you ridiculously expected me to HELP the people that WRONGFULLY removed me and committed treason against me. Even OOC this is ridiculous, but it would be better to discuss these things on OOC terms. Now do you understand why people use parenthesis while they're on kingdom tags? Or maybe you don't since kingdom members such as those in your kingdom are allowed to be OOC all the time and do (practically) whatever the hell they want under the name of your kingdom.

You're avoiding the point. Don't debate if you can't even adress things correctly. Referring to the pirate kingdom as "CP" and the Samurai kingdom as "KJ" in RPing is simply ridiculous. No one said anything about attacking every person who uses initials for their names (which something completely different- it's initials and NOT acronyms). I was merely pointing out how you're not a very good RPer.
I read it before posting. You should consider more of the things you say and argue. You're a very self-contradicting person. What I said about your RPing came from observing you RP and RPing with you. I simply went by facts.Don't believe it. I never said it. I was referring to an acronym of a kingdom's name- not the initials of someone's name. You're showing how ridiculous you can be by trying to quote me in a way I do not speak nor type. "lolol, Padren thinks England is in northing Dustari so he can't have an opinion lololol"? Who talks like that? Also, try using quotations next time and not putting apostrophes on the ends of the "quote".
Read-->Think-->Post
I didn't say that a good RPer makes a good leader. I said a person cannot be a good leader unless he or she is a good RPer.

This thread should have died a long time ago. Why... oh why... was it revived? :( Arguing is no fun.

BS, arguing is fun as hell

also, confuse an acronym and abbreviation again,
and I shall stab you in the eye with a plastic spoon
acronym - taking the letters of a word and finding other words beginning with those letters that describe the original word
abbreviation - letter or letters used in place of a word in order to shorten it
tridekaphobia - fear of the number thirteen

...and the general concensus of people in your kingdom.

Uh, re read sentence - the term 'rping' was used a few words before. You have a freaky brand of RPing. I think I was clear.

You need to learn how to RP. :p
You removed people who tried to talk to you OOC about the horrible job you were doing.
Second, if you thought you were removed wrongly and that you'd be restored - why did you drop those keys? It only served to harm the kingdom.
Truth is, that act has purely one of retribution out of character. If you are honest with yourself, you'll see it as clearly as everyone else.
I do believe we have the strongest RP standards in GK. Dustari's members are excellent people. Don't talk down to me about RPing, I am certian I have a lot more experience with the beast than you.


I do not always spell out KJ and CP in character, though I do during events generally. Its a fair enough point in it self, but I wouldn't say it makes a bad RPer. Between choosing to RP with someone that used abreviations or someone who at one time totally barred his kingdom from RPing with others - I'll choose mr abbreviations. :)

I am in the habit of using apostrophies in place of quotes because in 'PMs' you can't use normal quotes without it breaking words line by line. Is it really that big of a problem for you?

You and I have not RPed outside of the time you met with me in Zehn wanting to get added to Dustari after you got booted out of CP.

Don't jump on me about the differences of a player's initials and a kingdom's initials - you claimed, that using initials at all, implies that we are using English, and controlling the RP fates of all the kingdoms. Read what you wrote.

Its one of the dumbest arguements to touch these forums. I mean, seriously - you complained about the initials of the C and P would denote that in the language spoken on GK, that the written words would have to then start with a C for crescent and a P for pirates. Thus, I was 'forcing' you to RP that it was an english based world.

Why did you write that? Its completely insane. It makes no sense. It's like saying the letters s-w-o-r-&-d to form a word for sharp pointy things is some how bad RPing. Hence, I am glad you have no power in a kingdom to punish 'bad rpers'


We live in a world of comparisions and lesser evils, and shades of gray. It is better to have a strong leader with weak RP skills than a weak leader with strong RP skills.
It is best to have someone strong in both, but in reality, you deal with people who have a range of skill, from 1-10, in both leadership, and seperately in RPing.
As long as they can hold their own RPing, then I can't see a problem with a strong leader leading a kingdom.

You insulted Alisa about 12 times in one post. You treated her like a child, and one you could berate at your whim.

She had a different view than your rosy rendition of how 'things where in your day' and you were very vile in response.



Be kinder. :)

The general consensus of the kingdom was that there had to be changes done based on what I had done. It was not necessarily about removing me. People each had different arguments opposing things that were going on. It was an unorganized "rebellion".

You already clearly said I have a freaky brand of it. What you were not clear on was the "it" in the sentence "People hated it. I remember it clearly." Don't bother to clear yourself up on this fact- you already stated it unclearly and it doesn't matter anymore.

You need to learn how to RP.
People talking to me on OOC terms has nothing to do with RPing- that is why it is OOC. I didn't think I would be restored. I knew I was removed wrongfully. You should not assume I thought things. I never said I thought I'd be restored. It was made very apparent and clear that I wasn't going to be restored.

As a whole, you do not have the strongest RPing standards in GK. The strongest RPing standards lies within the dying race of RPers that are divided among the many kingdoms. Also, I'm curious to know how you are certain you have more experience RPing than I do. Are yours years of experience equal to my age or greater?

Your choices are your own problems. The person who barred his kingdom had the interest of improving RPing. The person who used abreviations just made his RPing look bad- no interest for improving his RPing by taking a little extra time to write out full words.

"That big"? How big is "that big"? If "that big" is very big then my answer to you is: No, it is not that big of a problem and that is why I did not say much about it.

I know this already. No need to state facts I show no disagreement for.

I never said anything about initials. However, you were keeping away from a chance of flexibility by using these accronyms. Why would a Pirate refer to his pirate nation as "Sea Pea"?

It wasn't a complaint. It was merely pointing out how you do not RP very well.
I would like to take this time to apologize if I claimed that you CANNOT RP well. It was a mistake on my behalf. I don't know or care about your abilities.
What I know is what you display- and what you display is bad RPing. So therefore, I merely ment you say "You RP horribly."

Who is to say those letters exist in all the fictional languages people must have in the RPing world?
Take Star Wars movies as examples. See how all the writing cannot be read by normal movie viewers? Yet, at the same time they speak in English. This is merely so movie viewers can understand the dialogue. RPing has the same concept.

She basically revived this thread. It was nice to see it dying away. If she didn't want to be treated like a child, she shouldn't have acted like one in the first place. Then again, you're not speaking for her.

She was never happy in "my day". Other people were during some times or evne the whole time and many even remain around today.

Stop worrying about problems regarding other kingdoms. :)

Holy Hell
I cannot believe you made such a dumb comment at the end of such a freaking dumb post
You went on arrogant as hell and then ended it hypocritical as hell

You're gonna go on crying cause you don't believe people ever abbreviate things in real life talk
In which case you must live in such a damned grammar strick area that people are killed for saying "ISP" or "SAT"
It's a company and a test, and you think it goes against the rules to refer to them that way
The only excuse for not being able to use abbreviations is illiteracy
And if you can find me one person that plays this game yet cannot read, then you can say whatever you want without my criticism

Your post are only getting more arrogant as you go along
Your post about how the Pope can only be good if he himself is catholic and the things you included in there was a good post
I agreed with everything in it
but the more you argue with Padren, the more I begin to disagree with everything in your postings
Think through things before you actually post them

And Padren, you're not helping those of us with an obsessive compulsiver reading disorder who read this thread through mental need and hate the evil quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes

It was only done to make a final statement in order to mimic Padren's thread.

First, I never said people don't abbreviate words in real life. I was referring to acronyms and I was referring to the circumstances of roleplaying. The roleplaying world does not take place in our time, our world, and certainly does not have to be limited or even have to contain our languages. In fact, it really shouldn't at all.

Secondly, there's nothing wrong with a world where people do not use abbreviations and acronyms. It simply makes their points more clear.

I do think things through before actually posting. You should take your own advice. Also, perhaps you're not reading everything we are posting.

can someone lock this thred??? so Ziro has to SHUT THE HELL UP!!!

Flaming isn't nice. I want this thread locked as well.