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Matman58 04-26-2004 04:02 AM

New Guild....
 
Ok I honestly don't know where to put this so I will put it here and see if it gets moved....

I personally have been thinking about Final Fantasy VII a lot lately and with the new movie being made I just think about the game even more. I was wondering if any fellow graalians would like recreate ShinRa Inc. Guild and actually be active within it. I think it would be fun. I almost thought of get PW Space and making the entire FFVII world....I would hire graphics people to make my tileset and all. I don't know....the options are endless but I was wanting to know if anyone would want to be apart of this guild and then we will go from there....post your comments or msg me on aim at MattJ56.

Matman58 04-26-2004 04:36 AM

Well I have created the guild...just need 10 people to join. So feel free to apply for the guild and join. I am hoping to get some true RPers

Guild Name: ShinRa Inc

Minoc 04-26-2004 08:00 AM

There was a guild called Shinra Inc. 3 years ago. :X

davidpsy 04-26-2004 08:23 AM

And doesnt this violate many copyright laws?

Minoc 04-26-2004 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by davidpsy
And doesnt this violate many copyright laws?

Seriously, I doubt Square would care that someone created a guild with a trademarked name. ^_^

davidpsy 04-26-2004 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Minoc
Seriously, I doubt Square would care that someone created a guild with a trademarked name. ^_^

Yes but I think they WOULD care if he was too "get PW Space and making the entire FFVII world....I would hire graphics people to make my tileset and all."

Minoc 04-26-2004 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by davidpsy
Yes but I think they WOULD care if he was too "get PW Space and making the entire FFVII world....I would hire graphics people to make my tileset and all."

That part would be bad. :X

Matman58 04-26-2004 03:57 PM

Yea good point....blah scratch that I guess....please support the guild. I think it would be fun.

Thallen 04-26-2004 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidpsy
And doesnt this violate many copyright laws?

No, considering his guild's name is "ShinRa Inc." and in Final Fantasy VII is it called "Shinra Inc." WIN. ^^

davidpsy 04-26-2004 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Thallen
No, considering his guild's name is "ShinRa Inc." and in Final Fantasy VII is it called "Shinra Inc." WIN. ^^


Uhh dude thats the exact same lettering except the R is captial in one...

Neoreno 04-26-2004 09:00 PM

Actually. It was ShinRa Inc. in the game.

Besides, my cousin owned a guild such as this a little while ago, deleted for copyright issues.

DarkShadows_Legend 04-26-2004 09:02 PM

Just remove the Inc.

Thallen 04-26-2004 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidpsy
Uhh dude thats the exact same lettering except the R is captial in one...

And? Is there a difference? Yes.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Neoreno
Actually. It was ShinRa Inc. in the game.

Besides, my cousin owned a guild such as this a little while ago, deleted for copyright issues.

Actually, no. It was Shinra, as a title, and "Shin-Ra" in the company logo.

NeoJenova 04-26-2004 10:07 PM

I own a Jenova guild name. I don't believe that breaks copyright laws. Does it?

brock128 04-26-2004 10:19 PM

ffvii makes baby jesus cry

Hey, that rhymes.

greeno 04-30-2004 12:23 AM

I don't think Jenova can have copywright issues.... It's a real word I think....

Phayze 04-30-2004 01:48 AM

Just get permission from Squaresoft.

Matman58 04-30-2004 01:04 PM

Well I got 5 supports and I need 5 more so if anyone is interested please apply in the guildcp for ShinRa Inc.

Also since everyone seems to freak out about me making this guild just because of a name I will just contact squaresoft and ask for permission to use the name in a guild. Then once I receive contact from them back I will post it on here. Thx.

Spark910 04-30-2004 02:56 PM

Companies shouldn't be so bothered, you aren't using the name in a bad way or anything, its advertising for them if anything.

Matman58 04-30-2004 03:38 PM

Thx Spark that clears up a lot of thoughts on this situation. I am sure if they even were to come across it, you're right they would just see it as advertising.

ETD 04-30-2004 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Spark910
Companies shouldn't be so bothered, you aren't using the name in a bad way or anything, its advertising for them if anything.

I wasn't allowed to make (DK) because it's a company name x_x

Minoc 04-30-2004 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ETD
I wasn't allowed to make (DK) because it's a company name x_x

Probably when Tiki and King Arthur were in charge.

syltburk 04-30-2004 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matman58
Thx Spark that clears up a lot of thoughts on this situation. I am sure if they even were to come across it, you're right they would just see it as advertising.

Maybe, but the fact still remains, you need to contact them for permission to use it.

Spark910 04-30-2004 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by syltburk
Maybe, but the fact still remains, you need to contact them for permission to use it.

Yes, I didn't okay it, I just fail to see why they make such a big fuss over it.

haunter 04-30-2004 06:35 PM

Doesn't the term "fair use" mean anything to anybody anymore?!

Thallen 04-30-2004 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phayze
Just get permission from Squaresoft.

You make it sound so simple.

Phayze 04-30-2004 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thallen
You make it sound so simple.

*Shrug* Took a few hours for Alec to get permission to use Star Trek and Star Wars (from LucasArts and Paramount) sounds, characters, and concepts on Graal. Just not allowed to claim it as ours, and we have to put a little disclaimed about it on a webpage.
All you need is an e-mail address and a little professional courtesy.

davidpsy 05-01-2004 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spark910
Companies shouldn't be so bothered, you aren't using the name in a bad way or anything, its advertising for them if anything.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matman58
Thx Spark that clears up a lot of thoughts on this situation. I am sure if they even were to come across it, you're right they would just see it as advertising.

"It's up to the owner to decide if they want the free ads or not. If they want them, they will be sure to contact you. Don't rationalize whether it hurts the owner or not, ask them. Usually that's not too hard to do. Time past, ClariNet published the very funny Dave Barry column to a large and appreciative Usenet audience for a fee, but some person didn't ask, and forwarded it to a mailing list, got caught, and the newspaper chain that employs Dave Barry pulled the column from the net, pissing off everybody who enjoyed it. Even if you can't think of how the author or owner gets hurt, think about the fact that piracy on the net hurts everybody who wants a chance to use this wonderful new technology to do more than read other people's flamewars."

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Originally Posted by haunter
Doesn't the term "fair use" mean anything to anybody anymore?!

"The "fair use" exemption to (U.S.) copyright law was created to allow things such as commentary, parody, news reporting, research and education about copyrighted works without the permission of the author. That's important so that copyright law doesn't block your freedom to express your own works -- only the ability to express other people's. Intent, and damage to the commercial value of the work are important considerations. Are you reproducing an article from the New York Times because you needed to in order to criticise the quality of the New York Times, or because you couldn't find time to write your own story, or didn't want your readers to have to register at the New York Times web site? The first is probably fair use, the others probably aren't.

Fair use is usually a short excerpt and almost always attributed. (One should not use more of the work than is necessary to make the commentary.) It should not harm the commercial value of the work -- in the sense of people no longer needing to buy it (which is another reason why reproduction of the entire work is a problem.)"


http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html


And my job is done here :D.

protagonist 05-01-2004 02:59 AM

Name it ShinRa Ind. and there shouldn't be a problem?

davidpsy 05-01-2004 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by protagonist
Name it ShinRa Ind. and there shouldn't be a problem?


Its still kind of close, maybe ShimRe Inc.

ETD 05-01-2004 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minoc
Probably when Tiki and King Arthur were in charge.

woo, it was Bhala *just noticed this post*

HoudiniMan 05-01-2004 07:52 AM

Whatever happened to being original?

Matman58 05-02-2004 05:39 AM

I love how this has become a copyright law debate....oh well I am going to e-mail square now.

Matman58 05-04-2004 05:09 AM

Well I e-mailed Square and got a response. They said it is just their policy to not allow it if you are not a partner with them. So if you would Spark please close this thread. And could you let whoever is in charge of GuildCP to please delete the guild. Thank you.

ZanderX 05-04-2004 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matman58
Well I e-mailed Square and got a response. They said it is just their policy to not allow it if you are not a partner with them. So if you would Spark please close this thread. And could you let whoever is in charge of GuildCP to please delete the guild. Thank you.

If you say so, chief.


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