PW Team (Houdini mostly)
 

U log on and say we can't have any police/et's/faq's
But i usually have about 20-35 people on so i have 1 of each if thats ok (This is to houdini but any PW team or player can answer)

I will start the process of rewriting some rules this weekend as I have a week off. I will look into this then. I don't think it will change much right now. Also inspections will occur so I think you are applying and if you are good enough you can have them when public.

I mean my usual playercount is about 20-30 players. And they will get bored of killing each other or they might need help so i got 1 FAQ. 1 Police (A few hackers already). and 1 ET for when their bored. And i've been working on Event weapons etc... So why can't i have them now?

So if I put on an Events tag he will say that to me even if I'm testing stuff?

I doubt it... you're actually the co-manager, and you just put on the events tag for testing things
:P

BUT, I think PW's on the 'Hosted' tab should be allowed to have GP/ET/FAQ's... just not the hidden ones.

I dont see why they cant have GP/ET/FAQ its there server they paid for it they should be able to have w/e staff they want.

Exactly. They should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't violate the Code of Conduct and the Policy.

the PWA can tell you if your allowed to have FAQs and Police or not? i thought it was up to the server manager, how dumb

werd geno

I did not know this?

INSPECTIONS?!?!

Does this mean you will finally get an opprotunity to look at servers who has been waiting for so long?

:x If I pay $100 for a server, I damn well will add a FAQ if I want...

You never know with Houdiniman. He sometimes is too quick to assume things without trying to find out the truth.

Correct. And its only been about 5 weeks maximum. I said I was going to give a months gap.

The longer the better if anything x.x
I can't wait spark :-)
Edit:
I agree with houdini, why in hell do you need them if you're server is UC, only hire 1-3 GP's no 1 else, it's just pointless...

Not having FAQ/ET/GP for a UC server is a matter of opinion, though it may not be needed I still don't believe there should be restrictions on having them.

Don't manage the servers for the managers, let them do it themselves.

I completely agree. It should be more up to the managers to decide wether or not they should hire those types of staff members.

I'm just saying it from a managers point of view, like my self..

What did you expect? Ofcourse they will boss around, soon you will have to pay to get LAT's Gat's and Nat's LMAO!!!!!

I highly doubt that would happen...

Why's that, everybody doubted that graal would become p2p when it was free,

pwned.

But it won't get that serious...

Maybe it will Maybe not, do not understimate the power of unixmad!

Jeeze. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: That wouldn't be a choice of unixmad would it... it would be the LATs etc... unixmad isn't an employment agency.

Lol, it'd be cool if he was though!
(If)!

Dude that is so 1337! XD

If people were paying for Level Makers i'd subscribe to graal again and start making levels. ;)

When will these start?

I think the PWA is going a bit far. There job is to inspect playerworlds. If I want to hire someone on my server for the sole purpose of picking up bushes and throwing them, that is my business, as a server manager.

As for the rights go:

PWA cant really have a say in the level of rights that are given out. That is a risk that the manager takes when he gives out rights like that. PWA should be able to come and give advise, but not force any action unless the person recieving the rights is a known hacker or so.

The damage is done to the playerworld, not Graal Online. We dont pay 100 bucks to be babied around.

The PWA's job is much more than that or we would be "Playerworld reviewers" only as was done in the past. There was a distinction within the PWA in the past with this but today there is not and there are no just "reviewers". We are what the title says we are Playerworld Administration, which means we administer to the PlayerWorlds in all aspects to them.

To put it bluntly and in terms I am sure most will not like but is reality, we are Unixmad's frontline of control the PWs because it is not feasible for himself to try to run Graal and all the PWs too without help. This is why you have Staff to help him do this and in essence what we are and what we do. We are the "advisers, police, enforcement and complaint dept for PWs of Graal." Sorry but we are responsible for much ore than mere PW inspections, it is only a small part of what we do.


Your not thinking here Zell , Graal is made up of all PWs so any damage to any PW is damage to Graal since Graal owns all do they not? The $ 100 doesn't give you any ownership rights to Graal; it only affords you the temporary space to use to make a PW of your choosing within the rules already set forth for you to follow. It is no different from you buying materials for any other hobbies you may have. Lets take wooden airplanes, you buy wood to make the body of the plane but you don't "own the Forrest" just because you purchased the wood do you? No of course not and the same principle applies to hosting, you are simply buying materials for you to work with. If you don't like spending that much on a "hobby" then don't it's your choice but you still don't own anything and are governed by what you can and cannot do with Graal by the people who do own it.


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On a personal side note:

I seem to agree I really don't see a harm on having Staff like GPs or FAQ on a UC Playerworld if they are getting players there. They will serve a purpose if the UC playerworld is getting players even if it is only a few. It will afford the rest of the Staff to do their developing by having those Staff handle what players they get while they work. I am in favor of this myself and I am sure this will be discussed in the PWA Forum with the rest of the PWA sometime soon.

Oh? You administer the playerworlds? How about buying them too? It seems like we dont have control over our own PW.. What's the point of buying one really? To make Graal a better place? Why do that? We buy playerworlds and get nothing out of it, and you people tell us we can't hire a FAQ.. Kind of wrong.. (not towards you MG. This is towards the PWA :)

You're misinterpretting what I am saying.

In an nutshell I am saying that PWA has no say in what I want to do with my playerworld.

Unless I am doing something that is a risk to Graal Online's status or publicity, PWA has no say. This includes uploading pornography, condoning foul language, etc.

If I did not do any of the above, I would not listen to the mere PWA. However I would listen to Unixmad, Stefan, or Spark, as PWA has no authority over things like that.

Read what I posted at the bottom of my post that I added.

Ahh. Another thing i'm dieing to get off my mind is how bad the service is here. People buy a playerworld then 2 months later it gets setup? I can buy 10 dedicated servers and have them setup faster than that.. I hear all these people saying they have been waiting 2 months for their server to be setup when they already paid.. Thats ridiculous! I feel bad for my cousin for buying a PW. What a bad waste of $100. :/

You are free to develop it as you want to as long as you follow Graal and the PW rules. We don't control what you develop it as.

Mere PWA? Last I checked Spark is also a "mere PWA" and yet you act like I am nothing at all and the work I do means nothing and the rest of the PWA is useless ? Spark doesn't do this on his own and we all at the PWA share the workload. Just because we are not the PWA Admin doesn't mean we can't enforce what we are responsible to do. Your attitude is pretty childish and I liken it to you telling a Police officer on the street you don't have to listen to him and you will only listen to the officer in charge. That will not keep you from having the rules enforced on you, the rules are for everyone and that also means you.


I agree this needs to be addressed and is a sore spot with Graal but nothing I can do about that, I wish there was but I can't.:\ Btw adverstising on the Forums is against the rules so I would remove that from my sig if I were you , it's not allowed.

Last I saw, Spark had posted that you had no power yet...
then like a week later you went around to PW's with your tag on, and saying stuff, so I asked Spark if you had been promoted to full PWA, and he told me 'not yet' but then I said you were enforcing rules and stuff, and I asked if you had the power to enforce rules, even though he hadn't promoted you yet, and he never gave me a clear answer
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I still haven't seen any post about you getting the power to enforce rules... not that I doubt you have it or anything, just saying. And I do value Sparks opinion probably 100 times more than yours MG, not because of anything personal, but because what Spark says has a LOT more backing of authority. Anything you say can easily be overturned by Spark saying otherwise.

My point of view exactly.

The PWA acts in places they shouldnt. Ill have whatever the hell kind of staff I want on my server, and, I will give them whatever kind of rights I want to.

Lately, PWA has been pulling ranks, and acting in places they should not.

Note: None of this applies to you, MG. Only to one specific PWA, but to avoid and arguement, I rather not say who.

I believe I know who you're talking about.. ;)

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I will remove my sig when a supermod makes me ;)

Unixmad or Stefan made it quite clear that he wants no advertising on the forums, so I suggest you remove it from your sig.