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zell12 06-22-2003 07:11 PM

Flaming Aura is a big problem
 
This prayer casts a big fire storm around your character and you can STILL double the damage by casting it over again. That needs to be fixed first off.

The prayer does more damage then it is supposed to. It kills anyone with below 50 restance to fore in 5 seconds, anything above that, mabey a bit longer. The spell damage need not of been doubled, but increased as the player got stronger in his/her magic field. This needs to be fixed, and fast. I am stuck on a boat that crashed into a dock, and everytime I leave, I get warped back on the boat, and some kid from Forest is just sitting there, crisping me.

graaliholic 06-22-2003 07:21 PM

Re: Flaming Aura is a big problem
 
Quote:

Originally posted by zell12
This prayer casts a big fire storm around your character and you can STILL double the damage by casting it over again. That needs to be fixed first off.

The prayer does more damage then it is supposed to. It kills anyone with below 50 restance to fore in 5 seconds, anything above that, mabey a bit longer. The spell damage need not of been doubled, but increased as the player got stronger in his/her magic field. This needs to be fixed, and fast. I am stuck on a boat that crashed into a dock, and everytime I leave, I get warped back on the boat, and some kid from Forest is just sitting there, crisping me.

If you can't take the heat, get out of the fire (or in this case, battle mode) also just remember that bile = denied fire, so use his curse if you hate it that much. the moment they start casting, you cast it on them, and bam, no more flaming aura for 10 whole minutes.

Satrek2000 06-22-2003 07:22 PM

Tried to reconnect to get into the cargo hold?
Also, it has been posted before that FA is too strong, and it was said that Stefan is about to do something. It might also help to add some phase of forced peaceful mode after dieing...

zell12 06-22-2003 07:45 PM

When you die you cannot be hurt for 10 seconds.

Besides the point, these kids are level 5 killing level 30 players in a matter of seconds. That is quite unfair don't you think? Aura's are supposed ot PROTECT you not kill everything you come near.

FireFly20 06-22-2003 08:07 PM

Re: Flaming Aura is a big problem
 
Quote:

Originally posted by zell12
This prayer casts a big fire storm around your character and you can STILL double the damage by casting it over again. That needs to be fixed first off.

The prayer does more damage then it is supposed to. It kills anyone with below 50 restance to fore in 5 seconds, anything above that, mabey a bit longer. The spell damage need not of been doubled, but increased as the player got stronger in his/her magic field. This needs to be fixed, and fast. I am stuck on a boat that crashed into a dock, and everytime I leave, I get warped back on the boat, and some kid from Forest is just sitting there, crisping me.

I said it all along it is a cheap way to pk it is like say to bad i donto fight honorable. There is no honor in it if yo know u are gonna die at least die trying instead of useing flaming Aura.

MarkB 06-22-2003 08:13 PM

No, believe me my friend, it is fair...balor give NO RELICE, BARELY ANY SPELLS, SPELL POINT REDUCTION, and NO ARMOUR, AND HIS ENCHANTMENTS DONT EVEN DO DAMAGE. So please, quit *****ing, because if this gets removed or deleted I am coming for you excal.

FireFly20 06-22-2003 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by MarkB
No, believe me my friend, it is fair...balor give NO RELICE, BARELY ANY SPELLS, SPELL POINT REDUCTION, and NO ARMOUR, AND HIS ENCHANTMENTS DONT EVEN DO DAMAGE. So please, quit *****ing, because if this gets removed or deleted I am coming for you excal.
So you are saying u pray to balor and do not want to see it removed becasue you like using FA.

MarkB 06-22-2003 08:23 PM

For leveling, yes. I am the strongest melee person other than dragonx, i have no need for aura

zell12 06-22-2003 08:28 PM

Guess what kiddies, Flaming Aura is a medium prayer and stefan changed it so you don't even need low grace to get it. It should be changed back to Medium. >:[

Lyndzey 06-22-2003 09:56 PM

I think the doubling up should be fixed and at least make it harder to kill players with it. I think it should have a huge effect on lords (because I use it ;]) but a low effect on players (becaues Denori always PKs me with it ;[)

DenoriZakarum 06-22-2003 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
Guess what kiddies, Flaming Aura is a medium prayer and stefan changed it so you don't even need low grace to get it. It should be changed back to Medium. >:[
and then what will balor be? a hugh worthless pile of crap, NO relics, NO nothing, he -spell and hp regen

zell12 06-22-2003 10:05 PM

Thats just how it is.

DenoriZakarum 06-22-2003 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
Thats just how it is.
while were at it lets remove forked lightning, its way to overpowered and laggy

*edit* lets not forget avatars, we dont whant level 10 running around and laming us while we are in a pm do we?

zell12 06-22-2003 10:54 PM

You really are a *****. You have to have a certian amount of mana to get forked, that way, no newbies are getting it. The same should be for laming aura. Atleast make it a low leveled prayer so you can't get it if your a nub.

graaliholic 06-23-2003 01:59 AM

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Originally posted by unixmad
Balor Demon King, Duke of Hell, Tempter and Tormentor

Repelled: Protection, Restoration
Denied: n/a
Special: Health_Regen -2, Spell_Regen -1, Luck -1, -5 Resist_Cold (which means maximum resistance to cold is 90% instead of 95%)

Granted Spell(s): Flaming Aura (medium level), Rage (medium level), Vitriol (medium level)
Altar Effect(s): Remove Curse, Enchant Weapon (medium)
Holy Relic(s): n/a

Give flaming aura a break, it's the ONLY thing that this god has that makes it worth following. Take away the aura and you just have another DianCecht. He's got no relics, hardly any spells, he loses alot on stats, and healing spells don't work very well. So stop complaining, and get some fire resistance.

Satrek2000 06-23-2003 05:05 PM

So the problem is - FA is too strong, but without it Balor is too weak? Why not reduce FA in some way that it still serves the purpose to defend but isn't that uber-strong? Also, why not increase the invulnerability after someone dies to, say, 1 minute, so in an emergency like that you can always use unstick? I think it was yesterday, when someone was killed about a 100 times in 2 minutes during a duel, by 2 others using FA... can't be what it's supposed to do, can it?

MarkB 06-23-2003 05:07 PM

excal you seriously need to quit *****ing

zell12 06-23-2003 06:51 PM

AnU don't be a prick, you know as well as I do Flaming Aura is too strong and to prevent the newbies from going around at level 2 killing level 30s, we need to only alow experanced players with this spell - as in make it so you need 50 grace to get the spell.

FireFly20 06-23-2003 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by zell12
AnU don't be a prick, you know as well as I do Flaming Aura is too strong and to prevent the newbies from going around at level 2 killing level 30s, we need to only alow experanced players with this spell - as in make it so you need 50 grace to get the spell.
There will be a problem there becasue when u get 25 grace bom u can get it by doubling you grace pionts at the altar first then basicly the ****s still can get it.

zell12 06-23-2003 09:01 PM

No, thats not how it works, please refer to my thread in the Information/Gods forum.

DenoriZakarum 06-23-2003 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by Satrek2000
So the problem is - FA is too strong, but without it Balor is too weak? Why not reduce FA in some way that it still serves the purpose to defend but isn't that uber-strong? Also, why not increase the invulnerability after someone dies to, say, 1 minute, so in an emergency like that you can always use unstick? I think it was yesterday, when someone was killed about a 100 times in 2 minutes during a duel, by 2 others using FA... can't be what it's supposed to do, can it?
stefan could make it so if your attacked then the aura damages the attacker, and wont stop damaging until hes dead.

Satrek2000 06-23-2003 10:07 PM

That might improve things, yes, as long as it has some way to properly tell attacker from innocent bystander or defender...

zell12 06-23-2003 10:13 PM

An aura is supposed to act like a force field. Mabey it shouldn't damage the player it touches, just nulls the effects of magic and blocks magic in the particular area. Thus of course, if this is to happen, Aura needs to be a tad bit smaller. :)

Oh yes, this would also prevent monsters from entering the aura, thus in turn if they do, they begin to die. So, all in all we are all happy. You guys get protection from players, and still get to kill monsters with the newbie spell. :)

Amoun 07-11-2003 03:57 PM

the only thing that should be done in my opinion because its useful for lvling and i dont use it in bmode nor do i ever go in bmode often if not at all, what needs to be done is when you go into battlemode either it is disabled when outside of dungeons, or it is still unable to harm people in bmode but other spells can, or the dmg is reduced when in bmode or something, but reducing it overall is just the way of ruining someones gameplay, sure some people thinks its cheap but i use it for lvling because i lvl purely on spells i have almost no physique. Basically the reason i oppose it being reduced is because anytime some '****' or anyone besides yourself gets stronger you people complain its cheap or a bug and try to get it removed or deducted in value of threat. Just like i heard some bs they wana slow down bow speed its too fast, uhm, all you have to do is move out've the way from the arrows, and that is what im talking about. Its a game, there are ups and downs if you don't like it, avoid it, but if something must be done i suggest we use my terms of actions, for people like me and others whom rely solely on spells and pray to balor use it in a good manor and shouldn't be punished for the likes of those using it in bmode. Aside from that you can always get magic resistance or fire resistance then flaming aura is rendered useless as well. I mean some other spells like snowtorm are cheap too :/ and the infinite fire wall rods where people trap you if they find you in a building in bmode, how fair is that, hey look i dont liek it lets try to get firewall rods removed. :/ see how stupid it sounds, anyhow, my 2 cents -Amoun

Satrek2000 07-12-2003 09:16 PM

I don't know about these infinite rods - the blue ones, which need to recharge? I rather see a problem with magic walls - large bullet wall, lightning wall, that sort of thing. Sure, earth to dust can anihilate them, but still. Once I destroyed about 15 large bullet walls in the pub, after about 20 people were killed by them - who weren't in battlemode, and that should be changed.

Amoun 07-12-2003 09:39 PM

Well perhaps, but lets not start another arguement in the same thread, none the less at all.

MasterNuke 07-12-2003 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by Satrek2000
I rather see a problem with magic walls - large bullet wall, lightning wall, that sort of thing. Sure, earth to dust can anihilate them, but still. Once I destroyed about 15 large bullet walls in the pub, after about 20 people were killed by them - who weren't in battlemode, and that should be changed.
Bullet wall, lightning wall, and fireball wall are all fixed as far as I know...

The problem with all spells and prayers including Flaming aura is the double damage thing done a long while ago... From how I see it... it doubled all base damage of spells/prayers...

Btw... does anyone have the vitriol spell yet?

TripleE 07-12-2003 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by zell12
AnU don't be a prick, you know as well as I do Flaming Aura is too strong and to prevent the newbies from going around at level 2 killing level 30s, we need to only alow experanced players with this spell - as in make it so you need 50 grace to get the spell.
But that isnt fair to me. I see what your saying you dont want to be killed by some newbie with it,but it is good for leveling. And if you only let super strong level 30 players have it that just gives another advantatage over the newer players. I still dont have FA and I'm level 9 now,and 13 wisdom.

Amoun 07-13-2003 12:11 AM

you are capable of getting FA right off TripleE so i don't know what is wrong o0, as far as this arguement goes i ended it a while back but humans are futile and ignorant, there should be no changews made to FA just avoid it, if you must make changes, make it disabled in battlemode or weakened during battle mode or just does reduced damage to palyers in battle mode, preferbly do not change it, for it is your fault if you have no magic resistance, i tried to kill a guy in a duel with it he was a priest too, he had high magic res my aura did like 5 dmg to him, get resistance, stop *****ing, this thread ended a while back, thanks.

skyler87 07-14-2003 01:54 AM

Flaming Aura kind of reminds me of a hack..just an extremely easy way to kill players and take their money. You can't run, and you can't even try and fight back against it. If someone starts using it in front of you, just except the fact that you are going to be killed, end of story.

konidias 07-14-2003 07:20 AM

Simple solution: Lower the damage that Flaming Aura deals, and edit Balor to balance things. For example:

Balor Demon King, Duke of Hell, Tempter and Tormentor

Repelled: Protection, Restoration
Denied: n/a
Special: Health_Regen -2, Spell_Regen -1, Luck -1, -5 Resist_Cold (which means maximum resistance to cold is 90% instead of 95%)

Granted Spell(s): Flaming Aura (medium level), Rage (medium level), Vitriol (medium level)
Altar Effect(s): Remove Curse, Enchant Weapon (medium)
Holy Relic(s): n/a

Just remove the underlined parts, and lower flaming aura. That way, aura still does some damage, though less than before, yet health regen and cold resistance are no longer affected.

Heiwaronsha 07-14-2003 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by konidias
Simple solution: Lower the damage that Flaming Aura deals, and edit Balor to balance things. For example:

Balor Demon King, Duke of Hell, Tempter and Tormentor

Repelled: Protection, Restoration
Denied: n/a
Special: Health_Regen -2, Spell_Regen -1, Luck -1, -5 Resist_Cold (which means maximum resistance to cold is 90% instead of 95%)

Granted Spell(s): Flaming Aura (medium level), Rage (medium level), Vitriol (medium level)
Altar Effect(s): Remove Curse, Enchant Weapon (medium)
Holy Relic(s): n/a

Just remove the underlined parts, and lower flaming aura. That way, aura still does some damage, though less than before, yet health regen and cold resistance are no longer affected.

that's not a very good idea ... his stats are like that for a reason ..

Satrek2000 07-14-2003 11:30 PM

Maybe so, but it'd certainly balance things more given FA's damage was decreased...

Admins 07-15-2003 09:58 PM

Aura has been fixed yes, there is a stronger aura spell though i think

Satrek2000 07-15-2003 11:37 PM

An aura spell? Never came across any kind off spell that would work similar to Balor's flaming aura...

konidias 07-16-2003 12:50 AM

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Originally posted by Heiwaronsha


that's not a very good idea ... his stats are like that for a reason ..

His stats are like that because he has good spells and altar effects. I don't see any reason why anyone would pick him otherwise. I mean, all his stat changing things are negative.

Matin 07-26-2003 11:03 AM

Stefan didnt change flaming aura to be get at 1 max grace
i played the game the mudlib was taken from its same there stefan just didnt change it but they had a script which doesnt allow to cast it multiple times

Amoun 07-26-2003 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Matin
Stefan didnt change flaming aura to be get at 1 max grace
i played the game the mudlib was taken from its same there stefan just didnt change it but they had a script which doesnt allow to cast it multiple times

That's because Stefan unlike several of you realize flaming aura is quite a fair spell, the mutiple casting was just a bug that needed to be fixed, he unlike most of you isn't stupid enough to drag on and argument that doesn't matter because it didn't need to be changed from the start, only fixed.


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