Just some changes...
 

Well I am putting this up for a little bit...Frankly it's about how people are jailed and such....

I go to playerworlds...often enough a player...just like you would say "I was wrongfully jailed" Eg. Spar Pking or something foolish like that...and well most of the time there isn't any documentation. Eg. A Pm warning or anything, it was all on screen...

Then all it does is become a "Your word vs. My word" scene. It's very bad and I'm asking for staff and players a like to simply take charge and go in the order of the charter...

What this means is simply this....

If a GP illegally jails you, and didn't give you any warnings with proof of a warning and such . All jailings must have a warning....Hacking/Stealing accounts, is auto ban and never to be released...

Then you or that person would simply go to the GP Captain/Chief/Admin and report the injustice...If the Captain/Chief/Admin does not listen, and you have proof of it...you take it to the admin/manager/asst manager...If they do not help you and say "tough" for example...You keep all your conversations with them...Then you find me....Forum pm or something and when I ask for the documentation, you should provide me with the original claim...How you weren't warned...How you went to the GP admin/captain, how you went to the manager/asst Manager etc

BUT if they are right in jailing you and I agree then obviously your claim is voided, so you better make clear that you are right and have all the evidence FOR your case....

Simply everyone is dealing with the little things, and the bigger picture is whats done...you can find me on classic and such...Post feelings but negativity eg...this blows etc...will not be tolerated...I'm open to suggestions on how things should be conducted...I'm processing a order of operations (sounds like math huh?) where you have to go to specific people even if you hate them prior to going above. I do not want to solve server problems and have them say "Oh if they told me about it, then I'd of fixed it no problem!"

Etc...So the moral of the story is to warn via pm and keep the conversation handy logged and sealed for myself, or a member of the pw team that I choose who can view these for investigation purposes.....

I'll complie a list of things and post them or find a way to have them up for you to see since this is my section to take care of...

-Another options is tentive plans to add Graal Radio to the Classic Worlds...Meaning I'll try to get this pushed, so instead of using Midi's and such we can use real live internet streamed music...with no profanity and all that for your listening pleasure...if you hate this idea...tell me why and such...Lag is a key factor but everyone will lag here and there...but the majority finds it to be well...also if you would like...to list types of genres for me to add into the project I will...There isn't any hirings yet for it...so please don't ask...if you want to help with no rewards..Eg..Getting a job...then contact me via forum pm, on classic, or if you see me on aim...thanks

warn via pm?
When most people warn via pm instead of warning via admin message, the person just says "I didnt read the pm"
With an admin message, they have no choice.
Staff on Npulse have been told to warn via admin message, and we have a violations txt that they add it to since comments dont stick, plus they have a violations history folder where they put either screenshots or txt history if they have it.

But sometimes admin messages won't work.. Like you send it and that person could be trying to talk and hit enter. Thus the admin message will go away without them seeing it.. Its happened to me before. And something should be done about the comments on RC. When you set them they are there until you set that account's attributes. Once you set the attributes they go away. I think they should stay just like ban info does.

Doesn't matter.
if they recieve a PM with a red bubble you assume it is important.
If they choose to ignore it that's their fault.
You have given them the waring.

AlexH is right. If they don't read it, that's too bad. They received it, and that's all that matters in warning situations.

Although you should give them 2 minutes to be able to read and write a reply.

I don't believe warnings should be given period. I mean, MOST people know that spar PKing is illegal, why let them do it once? Same with swearing and such....

Some should be warnings some should be straight to jail. If you spark PK, Warn. If you put 10000000 rupees on a level straight ban, straight jail. After all your spoiling it for players, as they dont have to work anymore, so they get bored as they have everything.

I been banned from classic server because a hacker did that hacked level 3 drop trick..... cant believe I fell for it

yes and no. It may be a ****ish person, who may NOT know....this way to result in confusion, its easier to give them a warning...., but if they do it again, you can give them a stronger punishment than for just doing it once and not giving a warning...

i agree with warnings, just write it down in comments, they were warned once, then you just jail them. Now another problem that i think nemesis hit on is the fact of word vs. word. It happens so often that I stopped taking the fact of one person saying, so and so spar pked me unless they can prove it. Or i also will take it if it's like 3 people who saw the event. Sometimes people just say it to jail. warning thing is nice, got to pass it on

so what ur sayin is that everybody has Admin Message Rights on Npulse? :asleep:

Vampiric is right about Valkoria.
They say they are aloud to pk and we are not.
One time when i whas online there a staff told me to stop pk him.
I did and then he start pk me, i go and heal goes back and he do the same again and again and again.
After i got killed some times he get bored and jail me.

What is Valkoria Staffs Problem=? :confused:

Answer:They work on Valikorlia.

Just send a admin message to player..
if you cant send admin message,try to warp to him/her and give the warning.

3 words they are ebil k? ;)

Nemesis is back?

people can create fake private message logs easily as well.
sending an admin message is a good idea because when you send one i believe it shows that in the rc chat area, so the rest of the staff can also see that you warned the person .

I'm GP Chief on Bravo and I found out staff don't like it when you use Admin Messages :/
Also if there in the middle of something admin messages disrupts them..
Half the times GP's don't get RC

Um, all the people who are suppose to warn players, yes they have the rights to send admin messages

there is no proof if you warn on the game on screen

No, it doesnt show up on RC, it use to be logged, but it isnt anymore...the only way to have proof now is to send via regualr PM

Did he ever leave??

some servers aren't so tight butted with staff behavior, maybe a faq warned them

excuse me, kindly butt out if you arent going to read the posts beforehand....I was answering someones question that was directed to me....sheesh

Sorry for replying so late. I had a comp problem, XP and Linux didn't like eachother with XP having corrupt files left and right. I'm up and running now, so I am good :P

Anyways the reason for the PM, is so that you have EVIDENCE of the warning and you have the whole conversation saved, and generally if you are caught log changing, then thats worse on the person, so obviously that is something that'll need to be addressed to, but if you warn, you have the evidence, but then again in personal experience, I Admin message to read the pm, and confirm with the player that they read the message or it is clear to me that they read it, and action can be taken appropriately.

I never left, I'm always on...as a player...or researching or finding ways to get things done in a better manner than they are. Some may know with the questions I asked...but I've been distant from the forums, just for the sake that generally most things end up in arguements and fights, and all this...It's really bad to see, from when I left. Now I don't know but I just feel like the community would be stronger if we all worked to fix what was wrong instead of pointing fingers at this person and that person...so I just do what I can and come on here when I must, so obviously, thats something I have to address...but for now the radio thing is what I want, because it's something new and it'll get rid of midi's :P

what about evidence?

any police can just say "you did this"

and warn and then say they did it


and the manager will take the polices word over a players any day
(i know, its happened to me)

im still banned on 2k1 because of that same incident

because cheetos told me "it doesnt matter about proof, he says it happened so it did"
then when i was given a trial, guess who was my judge, cheetos!

and i was supposed to prove why HACKING wasnt illigal, instead of prove why i didnt do it... which is stupid.

so evidence should be given before jailing, or have evidence.

even if its hacking or stealing accs.

If you have correct logs of it...Of the conversation then obviously that is proof in itself and it must be documented some way some how. If you say "He did this" and provide no hard evidence then forget about it, it becomes an Admin's word vs. Player or Admin vs. Admin etc etc...it's a hassle

And yes the Manager will mostly take staff words of players, as he/she should be able to trust staff and so feel they give the correct side of the story, which is mostly true but false in some cases. Its like saying, The president would only trust his staff to help if there was about to be a war, he wouldnt just trust any old bum off the street. So you see Managers trust and mostly support what staff say over players as they feel and should be able to trust what they say.

Now this ticks me off, the Classic Police Force. My friend gets warned for having his name as Dial-A-Newbie, which is similiar to Dial-A-Fish. But, my friend is not pointing ANYTHING out towards the GP, it's just a name similiar to the GP, why must that be so special, it's not like they will b**** if i were to copy a normal player's name. So me and a bunch of other people start naming oursefls with names similiar to this GP, heck, we even had names like Dial-A-Dialer [GPGPGPGPGPGPGPGPGPGP], but what's wrong with that, really? Because "we're not allowed to act as staff". And then, one of us puts on the name !Negro Casas which is spanish for Black House I believe, and another GP arrives at the scene (this all happened at Zol's) and calls this racism, which might be agreeable to some points, and then we rechange our nick to things like "A ZORMITE SAID I SUCK, GRAALIAN RACISM" and such things, for a laugh, because we frankly didn't take this "matter" seriously. And so, he says we're "Making fun of him" (Duo (GP)) and so he jails us, and some of us even got banned, while I didn't/ or haven't yet, it's unfair that others did, atleast in my opinon, so I ask, is this really suitable?

Negros is not a racist term
If you used the slang for a black person than yes but not negros

All he did was have his name as "! Negro Casas" EXACTLY (without the quotation marks), so it's not a slang towards anyone, now is it ?

:/ well, i dunno, it depends on how he meant it. Which it doesnt seem he meant it that way.

We require some sort of proof of what the player did , ie: pm history. screenshot and so on, it is not because we mistrust any of our Staff but on the contrary to protect not only them but Npulse if something becomes of it. With proof there will be no question of the wrong doing and always keeps the jailing/banning person in the clear of people screaming corruption, which is a grossly abused term on Graal.Sometimes screenshots cannot be attained and sometimes it will be a judgement call, like speed hacking, what we do in a case like this is watch the person (when alerted) for a good while to determine if it is speed hacking or just lag from a really crappy connection.There are ways to tell by watching the person if it is lag , Lag creates small sometimes really small jerks in movement just before they seem to move really fast , you watch for these jerky motions. Speed hacking on the other hand have no jerky motions at all and if you take the time and watch them for a good while you will see the difference and make a good judgement call on whether to jail/ban or not. It is things like this why we train all GPs for at least 4 weeks as trainees to teach them things like this.

i also think it's dumb that...
 

The GPs lately have been abusing the detention center and detaining people just because they get tired of them doing toalls...

on classic..?

Re: i also think it's dumb that...
 

Excessive toalls and masses is a disruption of gameplay to other players and they can be warned and jailed if they continue with it. There is nothing worse than trying to do a quest with 9 million bubbles all over the screen from masses and toalls and interferes with you trying to do a quest. Point is try being considerate of other players and don't be abusive with your masses or toalls.

Or do the masses and quests with a fake name and turn of toalls in your F1 Options and put everyone besides your buddy list on ignore like i do :)

hmmm.. Thats just.. Stupid!?