Hiring of Staff members and Council...issues
 

From my understanding, Ibonic and Konidias' or however you spell it's jurisdiction is now on Gold servers only. I applaud you. A lot.

But, the Council is beginning to worry me. Stefan, or Unixmad, are you even aware of who is staff and who isnt' on Classic?

(By Unixmad)
Was this a typo or is it just for Classic? If so, why is one fifth of the council being chosen by Stefan and Unixmad, who I haven't seen working, or playing Classic for ages other than server maintenance (Which lasts for half a minute), and 2/5ths by the players, who will create it as a popularity vote and hire potentially dangerous people?

Online games' governments, including basic games and the most advanced MMORPG's, don't rely on player votes for changes because the vast majority of the players are not of even legal age.

The reasoning behind this is as follows: Popularity over maturity and responsibility. Players will choose who they think is "uber 1337 y0" over those who will do something beneficial. Not specifically all of them, but if you spend time on Classic you will understand. Secondly, Many players do not take the game seriously and if you allow any basic-server-upgraded account to vote, players will treat it more of a joke than some thing seriously. This is why children do not vote in democratic societies and why all those student governments, in the US, or elsewhere, happen to be filled by officers that everyone likes.

In short...players will not, unless by a miracle of god, choose those mature and responsible. Mature and responsible players, as I have found, are either quiet or opinionated. The Graal playerbase, if not just in Classic, then the rest of the servers, prefer mass messaging twelve year olds. Seriously.

Not a flame, please don't treat it as one...this is just coming from someone who's worked for Graal too long (Four years.) to be ordered around by a council that over half have been jailed or banned before because bad decisions were made.

I agree, and so far I haven't been able to vote for a GM (Didn't they say we could choose some?)

By Classic, he means the "Classic" Servers. Not THE Classic server.

I think Classic Server needs a new name then :D

Having 2 GMs for 2 Gold servers is kinda dumb.

Why don't they just say.

Koni, you're incharge of 2K1, beat it Kamoo.

Ibonic, you're incharge of 2K2.

Well Chronos, you probably are right about the elections. A bunch of *****s that don't know what they're doing will probably be elected because "they're cool."

Oh well, Graal has a grim outlook :(.

God I ****** **** you and wish ***** upon you!

Ouch, that's kinda harsh isn't it. :(

This isn't here to argue, Valder, so don't turn it into an argument.

Is that any change from...ever?

Classic=Graal: The Adventure (since people soo love to point out it's no longer Classic, since it doesn't have this or that anymore)

Bah, I appreciate the discussion, but this isn't exactly on topic >.<

Um actually it's the other way around. I'm heading 2k2, Ibonic is heading 2k1.

... which is absolutely not his point.

I think letting the players decide may not be FULLY a bad idea... it will be THE PLAYERS who will benefit or be hurt the most. Perhaps it will take once of the players screwing up who they pick to make them realize it isn't just a game...
---Shifter

Okay, then just switch the names around. It's not much difference.

The players are ONLY choosing ONE council member , ONE will be choosen by the PW Managers and TWO will be choosen bu Unixmad and or Stefan or "other partys" This is what Unixmad posted , so the players can only choose 1/4th of the Council and I don't believe they will upset the balance of the Council by that or ruin it in any way .

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I think he me meant from the Classic tab he will pick people....because if they're all from Classic Graal (server) it will be unfair to other servers because they will all band together and tell them to take it down like the little asses on classic are >=[

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Ahaha that was funny. I don't think any servers goal is to take down all the other servers. If that is the case, the people that play there need some serious help.

and, I may play on classic, but I think others will agree that "taking down" the servers that have a maximum of 5 players daily DO need to be taken down. Sadly, that's almost half of the current Classic Server count.

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Yes so funny I laughed my ass off and it got so sore that it ran away. Unixmad said the council decides what servers stay and go.

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Which is seriously problematic, conflicts of interest will manifest the council and no servers will get taken down.

I think more servers need to be combined. Two sparse servers < One dense server.

*votes Tyhm as classic servers' dictator, whether he likes it or not*

The thing with shutting down servers is probably about if servers have enough potential to get enough players in the future, if they have a good management etc.

This would only work if they were 2 "like servers" RP etc... Then again the issue of who will manage it would erupt and Staff from both servers demanding "equal rights" etc... I believe it would be more of a nightmare than anything to try to do this , in a perfect world the "egos" would not get in the way , but alas we don't live in a perfect world..:(

I can name 13 servers that need to be shut down. :(

Especially the ones that have a total population of just the NPC server. If a servers staff don't even log on, I think that says something bad about the server.

Haha, this thread has gotten so off topic Stefan didn't even send it into the oblivion that is an 'admin board'.

i like to think of graal classic as "the people's game". It was originally created by Stefan, but it expanded so much because of what the people gave to the game. Alot of those who make their own servers contribute to "the people's game" as far as giving their own perspective, though, rather then spending all that time creating levels for a server, why not just donate them to the main Classic Graal server where you know that they will be used?
Though I see when something is too radical to be put on classic, like a mana, hp, and level system for battle, a new server could be put up. Classic used to have so many people on at once, but when all these new servers opened up, it seems to have divided the people. the trail accounts also had to do with people leaving, but still, as stated about servers merging, that would be a way to get more people onto a server.

well, thats my thought of the moment.

Well! Do a slow combine then!

Take a suffering server. Tell the owner it's time to pack it in. Whenever an admin quits, the corresponding admin of the other server takes over. During this transition process, levels from one server are being copied to the other server, possibly vice-versa. In the end, you have two nearly identical servers - whichever one's better overall (in terms of # of players I guess) survives, the other is folded over the rest of the way - owner demoted to CoManager in charge of the new wing.

I agree we should rename Classic, Graal the adventure.

We will do that next week.

Unix.

Bah, I'll go with whatever Stefan or unixmad say, they've always did the right thing in the past. :)

I agree :)

Don't get me wrong Tyhm I am not saying it won't work but would take alot of discussion on it not only with the Council but the PWs involved. btw a Co Manager is not a step down from Manager and has equal rights and power to the server , if it was to be a step down then he /she would hold the title of Ast.Manager which is a step below the Manager/Managers.This misconception of Co Manager was discussed some time ago on these Forums. Anyway it is a valid and good idea to look into from my opinion but as you know it will all rest on what Stefan and Unixmad wants.

they should go back to just calling it Graal Online like it used to be before 2k1 came out =D