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okay, here's the lastest body design for my pw project, before i do too much more on them i'm wanting some feedback...

from top-left, going clockwise: entilok, more like humans, they are skilled swordsmen, they live on the plains; elwen, woodland people, close to nature, passivists; tundorian (body design on the far right is a seconday choice since i don't completely like the first design i made [yes, those are stripes]), like eskimos, wise and have psycho-kinetic powers, live in arctic areas; atavus, sheer warriors, skilled with explosives, very agressive, desert dwellers...

give me some feedback and i'll get to work on fixing them up...
btw, they're original this time...

too plain and doesnt match Graal.

You just coppied Oasis characters :/

I like them.

Tundorians looks great.

LordHelmut:

Is it just me or ever since Oasis came out, has almost every new PW started designing new chars sets and all of them (almost) are just oasis spin offs?

Yeah, they look alot alike.

Well, these are not rip-offs of oasis characters, these are originals, though they do have similarities. They are about the same height to the oasis chars and probably have the same rgb values (due to using the graal rbg's for skin tones) and they are close to the same style, but still not quite...


Have you not noticed that graal classic characters are in the plain style also?
Besides, I like that style a lot, g2k1 is in a league of its own with its more realistic style and I'm not too much for that style...one of my goals with my pw is to maintain the classic graal style/zelda3 style...
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hey, mine are actually a bit shorter...anyway, try this:
http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s...ighlight=oasis
here's another good one: http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s...s&pagenumber=3
it'll give you an idea of how they are noticably different..
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The heads/faces look EXACTLY alike :\

sigh...at least TRY to take me for my word...:rolleyes:

here's some proof, in the attached picture, mine on the left, oasis on the right, oasis character heads are 2 pixels taller and 4 wider, the eyes are different...the ears are different...the mouths are different...hey, even the eyebrows are different...
now...it may just be me, but the when you used the word 'exactly' you didnt mean something else, right? maybe you meant not quite the same, or similar yet different, or heck, maybe you even meant 'oops, i really dont know what the word exactly means'...satisfied, yet?

well, there's my sarcasm for the day...

Re: Open to Opinions
 

I dont like the rings for the stomach.

The part of the arm right above the hand on the shirtless characters shouldtn buldge so much.

The dues with the lines all over them I detest. =\

they suck get over it. its plain... Graal Classic is not. Yours are. Stop hiding behind Classic.. Besides you said OPEN TO OPINIONS!

i just couldnt get it to look right...

same as above, just didnt look right when i tried otherwise...

i dont blame you, it's my least favorite of the four, both versions...
i want originally aiming for fur but ended up with stripes, oh well, i think i'll go back to fur :p

anyway, i will take all of these opinions into consideration when touching up these characters...
thanks to everyone for their input

okay, here's today's update, a new character (which i may never use anyway, lol), some hair, and more detailing...i changed the ears of the elwens a bit, and have two new possibilities for the tundorians...

Dude I just relized they are copies of each other just recolored!

its called using a template poogle :) so that their bodies look the same... havent you noticed graal bodies look preety similar to eachother...

well no matter... they still arent good... I think you need a new style

Only body11.png and anther one. but they look a little to simular and i wasnt being negative im just saying they are like copies
ITZ A WORLD WHEREZ WEZ ALL LOOKZ LIKE EACH OTHERZ!

yes, they still aren't that great,but I'm hoping that someone out there will actually give specific points to change...that way I can work on making them better much easier...

they are nice keep up the good work

thanks, at least a couple of people appreciate my work...

now, for the rest of you (probably much to your displeasure), here's another preview pic...keep in mind that these are not final, so before you go bashing them because you don't like them at least give points why...

okay, the new pic: 8 chars there, 2 rear views of 2 male entiloks; 6 females, 2 entilok and 4 elwen...

(!Joker)

Change the 6 pack on the men it looks like a rainbow tatoo. Other than that I like it.

My suggestions.. the arms and legs seem a little thin.. might want to try thickening those a bit.. Also, the hair should have volume.. not glued down to the head. Basically just need the hair rising off the top of the head more.

Yeah and also fix the rainbow abs. :p Other than that, I like them.

thanks for the points

and here's another preview:
the rear view of the female elwen, 3 male entiloks with tunics/cloaks/capes, rear view of the male atavus, 2 possible hair styles (not very different), and outfits for entilok knights...

the girls have to much clothes on.
but they still dont look that right...

well another thing, graal is a 45 degree angle game and these charachters are straight on

to make it look a bit more 45 degree show more top of the head and show the tops of the feet

if you are going to use the preset tileset then you will have to change the colors and style of your charachters because they wouldnt fit in... you have to make a tileset that looks similar to the bodies

thanks for the advice...i was thinking about that the other day when i checked out the fto site...but, i'm not sure if im going to go for that or not...because right now i have some levels planned that will be straight-on views rather than 45 degree...

well, i am also planning on having a new tileset, in the very least i will be doing recoloring...i already have some tiles replaced but right now i'm focusing more on the characters...

new preview pic:

entiloks are the same, just a couple on new outfits...more or less, elwens are now more pale...atavus have been redone, as have the tundorians (a friend helped out there), the two-eyed atavus is his design...the one-eyed is mine, the pupil-less tundorian is his design, the rest is mine (except for the body)...
and, you get a bonus, a slapped-together-in-a-few-minutes-display-background, or a STFMDB...:D

YODA!

lol, that's what i thought too...that's why i made the one-eyed version...and i'll probably do something with the ears...atavus are supposed to be ferocious...not puppets that speak oddly...(and the atavus are shorter also)
hmmm....judge me by my size, do you?

NO! Leave them like that! OMF I WANT TO KEEP ONE!

:D alright, i'll keep them as two-eyed...
here's a new pic:
the top section shows the size placement of the four races, tundorians and entiloks being each 50 pixels tall, atavus being the shortest at 48 pixels and the elwen being the tallest at 52 pixels...
also, some prototype atavus body designs and the possible female design (note that it is as wide as the male body in contrast to the entilok and elwen femal bodies)...

okay, here's another new pic:
um, this mainly shows more possibilities for the tundorains, armor for the entiloks, and basically how the shield and sword systems will work...use your imagination and think happy thoughts!

I dont like em too much, they look too much like oasis exscept worse. sry.

I dont think they look like oasis... but that might just be me....

but I think you are making progress, you should make the shield more near the center of him instead of so far out because what would he be sheilding? the air?

your style is different you just gota make them a bit less.... I dunno what it is... but just work on them

yeah, i've should've made a pic like that for the shielding...dummy me, i forgot...
anyway, there will be a shield system, when you press the certain key, whatever it'll be lol, it'll move the shiled over to block and it'll freeze you in place...with the shield to the front as shown in that last pic it just shows that you're ready to defend yourself, i think i'll make it to where you walk slower like that or something...
anyway, first pic of a side view, very pathetic, i know...it's just the first version...

strange people... they'll probably have hairs?

should've looked at all of the pics, yeah, they'll have hair...
but the system for it is gonna be more like 2k2's...and yes, there will be hats also...but not like the hats now, they'll all be based on the characters and the time period...so no egg hats...

haha those goblins are cool

the legs.. are too wide..
and shoes dont point out to the sides..

k...
here's a new pic...and i'm not sure why i named it chars_preview because it doesn't show a character...not really anyway...
it show prorotype tiles...indoor floor, a table, an offset table, and grass...also there's a possible baddy design and a couple of happy faces...i just felt like drawing happy faces...lol...

the grass is bland but I like it, the table have too many colors the same as the floor, make it darker or lighter