Rudora Online
 

Ok well some of you may know, a few days ago Stefan shut down Rudora. I personally dont think this is fair, His reasoning for it was this:

''Nobody Plays It''

-Ok yes you may be thinking, He has a point, But its bacuase of him he has this Point:

*He was the one who ignored/chose not to view the PM's sent by us for change of IP Range of the RC with a FTP on.

*He finnaly did it, but did wrong IP Range, When he finnaly fixed it (Note Manager has been working on levels all of the time he didnt have his RC) the Manager had gone on Vacation, This is intially Stefans fault for lack of care about the Players.

Ok well back to this part:

Nobody Plays It -Well excuse me do you people see more people on Rudora or on , Doragon Koden, As an experiment we had 2 players on there all day on SUnday each doing 12hours on it, And what did we find? ALL Day there was only an NPC server and 2players that were on for about 2-3mins, The staff on that PW had also been seen in the past complaining about the Manager who does nothing at all. This is pathetic and should be shut down before Rudora!

Recent Events:

Rudora has had alot more than normal, maybe not lots but more, expessialy more than alot of PW's online, We were on the roll and we couldnt update much without you Stefan, and you choose not to help us, this is why Rudora has gone, Also maybe give us more time, We recently said goodbye to a Co-Manage and Manager who didnt update much at all, Shadowless had ALOT of ideas and Plans for the Future but you just come along and Shut us down with no thought of the time that had been spent on this PW!

Finnaly Out of interest can you all take part in this Poll Answering 3 things:

Did you play Rudora?
Did you like what you see?
Do you think it should be up still?

-Spark911

Yes, Ive played it
Yes, it has good levels and staff
Yes, it should be up

Rudora is the best server ive played on. Thats why i spent all my time on graal on there.

I agree that it should be up too. Whenever I get too many pm's when I'm on my favorite playerworlds I usually go to Maloria or Rudora since they are very nice.
I'm not so sure what happened with the updates though.

Well Stefan didnt fix the Managers RC so no Updates could happen, And beofre that the other Managers were more interested in RO than Graal and if its Graal they cloned Bravo levels and sat in them thats why....

I didn't even do it because of that pasword thing or whatever.

Lol yeah, I did suggest removing that to Fox, but it has key points on it which were needed and made FAQ's lives easier so we kept it until the Auto Map was made and Actually I think it went after Rudoras first website....

Btw the Password was: moonlight75

this sucks
 

I personaly like rudora more then any other server because the high level staff would talk to you they and they were nice...
Also the levels were good and what was there was done right...
I know that shadowless had allot planned for rudora and if stefan had fixed the RC right the first time it could have been allot more popular with the new updates.......

Indeed I liked rudora. I played it, I liked it, I worked there too. It should still be up I believe.

-Beowulf

Re: this sucks
 

I mean look at Faheria and Frolic and Dorgan Koden, there all underconstruction and no updates in ages, And will be like that for 4-5months atleast, So he shuts rudora down? WTF!?

Yes, I've played Rudora, it WAS my favorite playerworld. Unfortinately, Rudora should have gone down a long time ago. When the creator of a playerworld leaves, the playerworld always goes to crap. Ever since Fox (the creator) left Rudora no good additions have gone into Rudora. I used to think "I want to save Rudora, and bring it back." but honestly, even though I know I could bring Rudora back how it origionaly was and how Fox intended it to be, thats not going to happen. And quite frankly, at this point, I would rather see it taken down than have some other clueless manager run it, destroy it, and basicaly disshonor it's creator. Playerworlds come and go, Rudora's origional work was amazingly well thought out, but I've yet to see anything promising come out of it since then. I had nothing to do with Rudora being taken down, but I'm somewhat glad it was taken down simply because there are plenty of new playerworlds coming, and I don't know anyone who could properly manage Rudora. The fact that the system NPC on Rudora was replaced with something far less advanced, but with more useless features was disturbing to me. Alot of the re-tiling defeated the purpous of quests by making it possible to cheat on them. How can I say this and be nice... Don't mess with things you don't understand or appreciate.

Urizen :(

!edit

It seems like anytime a playerworld dies the staff there try to save it, simply because they are staff there. I'm agains people getting playerworlds and completely changing them, why not go through the PW submission process like everyone else. :o

Stefan should have given it more time, It had PLENT of good extra levels to come up..... Once again its his fualt due to lack of Updates, Shadowless wasnt given a fair chance with Stefan not helping with the RC

Fox was the only good Rudora manager. Leave it dead unless Fox comes back.

Amen to that!

And Spark, I like you, but how much time is too much? When does it stop? I think another reason Rudora went offline is because the "RC Problem" that the latest manager had was "fixed" by stefan, but because the manager didn't even know how to find his own IP, it still didn't work, I'm not sure if someone who can't even find there own IP address should manage any playerworld.

Urizen :o

No praps you dont get it, He had his IP then his ISP changed it agian due to another security Measure.... And stop brown nosing Fox, I know you love him, I agree he was cool, But people come and go, And rudora Finnaly had a future but Stefan doesnt care about any PW's...

Ok, clearing this up, this was partly my fault that my RC was not repaired... I had just set up a network before my IP changed and I hadn't yet gotten familiar with it. When I checked my IP my computer gave me the private IP the router gave to my PC, and not the IP of my cable modem, which was what was needed... I don't wish to go into mush more detail about that subject, but all I want to know is what does knowledge about networks have to do with managing a playerworld?... Also, lack of updates? Lack of staff... I looked for staff, but when I had my RC, anyone who applied didn't meet my standards... And when my RC broke, I had applications from people who I'm sure would do a good job.

Urizen, you say we totally changed the playerworld... We didn't, we added to it. We kept the exact same levels, we just added detail... The old ones were boring. Don't hold a grudge on me or the playerworld just because you were banned for some reason, which I know hardly anything about, a long time ago. Don't hold a grudge, just because the levels aren't the way you like them. I have plans for Rudora, I spent alot of the time on vacation, just thinking of things I could add to Rudora. I know the System NPC sucks, our former GM started it and never finished it, so I was either going to remove it, or hire someone to finish it. I thought PWs were supposed to be given an advanced notice if they weren't "Up to standards", whatever happened to that?... And why pick on Rudora? There are plenty of other PWs to shut down unexpectidly...

1.) Why would I try to brown-nose someone who doesn't play Graal anymore, on a Graal Online Forum that he doesn't read? Stop making accusations.

2.) Holding a grudge? I don't have anything against you. My problem is people who try to turn other people's playerworld into their own so they don't need to go through the submition process. If you have all these plans, why not create a playerworld of your own is all I'm saying. I actualy proposed a rule before all the stuff with Rudora happened that if a Playerworld's Manager is no longer the manager of a playerworld, unless he/she appointed somone to be the replacement manager 2 weeks in advance, the playerworld goes down with the manager. There are too many problems from playerworlds that have management problems, you would make manager number 4, and thats 2 too many. Please understand this isn't a policy right now, and probably wont be for sometime if ever. The fact is, it means something different to you when you create a world from nothing, go through the risk of it being rejected and all your hard work being for nothing... People who want to take over playerworlds simply want the rewards for an eighth of the work. Look at Babylon, they've been strugling aswell.

If you have so many ideas, build up a playerworld and submit it to be reviewed is all I'm saying.

Now, as for saying I'm just saying this because i don't like the new level style? First off, thats not true. I like the new style levels, as well as the old style; however, Rudora was initialy created to be a classic style server, it's origional intent was to be a town on Classic. As for saying the levels were too plain? What you consider plain, I consider fun, I don't mind the new tiling style, but try finding LAT's who are willing to spend hours on each level making every one a masterpice? Won't happen. So how can you possibly hope to expand the overworld in a timely fashion? This is my problem with the new style of levels, they look great, if people take there time, but thats the price, time, if you try to spit them out, they look horrible, and furthermore become distracting and un-planned-- Yes, I'm sick of walking in levels that have so called "natural" looking paths that twist and curve so badly you think everyone who's ever walked on it has two left feet, but I'm not even thinking about that when I look at Rudora. What I see is what was once the masterpice of one of the best LAT's Graal had for a long time, now, after all this time, instead of building on the vision, that alot of people love, they decided to spend all their time re-tiling levels that had alredy been worked on for a long time to make just right. Quests have been added, but they are all unorigional and filled with bugs, moreover they don't even fir the theme set by the origional quests. This is what happens once the creator is gone, the playerworld turns into a mess of contradicting visions, and fun value is lost. Yes, I think it's sad that a pice of work like Rudora had to be molested and bastardised like it has been, but I'm glad it's being taken down to pay some respect to the creator. How would you like it if you made a playerworld that you thought was perfect, you leave thinking you could trust a so-called friend to manage it, and come back and it's been re-tiled to the "plain" style, and stupid quests have been added? All I'm saying is that we need to have a bit more empathy. Playerworlds come and go. Rudora was overdue, thats all.

I'm sure a month will go by and you wont remember Rudora.

BTW, I was Banned by Duthight without cause, he accused me of trying to "kill" Rudora, when in reality I simply disagreed with it turning into what it is today, it's not my fault that as soon as I left it started to die... coincidence?

Urizen :(

Re: Rudora Online
 

He didn't ignore anything, he was just disgusted because the owner couldn't figure out his own IP.

Tell me now. Are you going to continue arguing, or are you going to talk civilized about Rudora and it's removal?

*Puts hand on mouth*

I was bored :D

Urizen ;)

I was talking about that guy's "brown nosing comment." It wasn't necessary.

The plans I had were not to change Rudora, but to add it, a playerworld needs to develop, and that's what I was working so hard on.

I'm not saying you, there are lots of people who have plans for lots of playerworlds. It's just never really worked out in the past... I understand that it can be emotional to be in your position, but lets try to think about this clearly.

Urizen :(

Did I ever play Rudora? Yes.
Did I like what I saw on Rudora? Yes.
Should Rudora still be online? No.

Don't get me wrong, I did have a good time whenever I played on Rudora, and the staff and players were generally very nice. But the thing is, blame this on whomever you want, Rudora hasn't had a worthy player count in a long time. True, Rudora's content met the standards, but what's the use if you don't have what players want? Despite whatever was being planned, Rudora's had ample time to attract players.

Then there's the issue of the levels. Now, I realize that the developers on Rudora tried to update it to keep with the times, but quite honestly, when you edit a "classic" style level to fit in with modern times, it usually comes out looking pretty sloppy. The Rudora team somewhat-managed to make them look okay, but it's no comparison with the original version.

not that any of you care
 

Not that any of you care but this was the blade of graa that broke the camels back for me I will most likely quit graal now this is the 3rd server that I have grown to like and play on allot thats gone down first dolphonia then el now rudora I am fed up. And for all of you who are still wondering who the hell is this guy.
This might help I went by chris on dolphonia for a bit then Swamp for a while I got a NAT position on EL. And I was going by the name of Dunedain on Rudora and every where else recently.
I had a faq position on rudora. Oh and btw if you still dont know who I am this probobly wont help but I have been playing graal since 1.39 and know allot of the well known oldbies like the global guild admin TIKI and EYE of the Beholder and if you dont know these people your a noob


Thank you and good bye

Umm, then why only take down Rudora? why not take down the rest of the servers that only get a maximum of 10 players hmm?

what the hell are you talking about?? Rudora has some of the best quality levels i have ever seen on graal.


Bottom Line: Bring back Rudora, it is a good server and deserves to be back up.

Then i stuck up for u and got fired heh :(

They should be taken down too, but that's the PWA/Stefan's call. Why they took down Rudora, and not the others is a mystery to us all. :XA few months back, they did have good levels, but when you edit a "classic" level, it never looks as good as a fresh level, or the original level.It shouldn't be back just like that, but maybe the staff could find out what to do to attract players and create it, and then re-submit to the PWA for testing.

I agree, my comments were not called for and should not have been said, I should have kept that to my self, I appologise deeply for my child like actions towards you Urizen.

Well I see why you did what you did, but Alex Banned you because no matter what you said, Fox wasn't coming back, Nor was Old Rudora, So he just got annoyed so Banned you, I didnt think it was right, I unbanned you, lol, nearly got fired! =D

Why was the manager the only one who could set rights?
Wasn't there a co-manager?
If not thats understandable.
But what I find very odd is that only the manager can upload levels?
There is absoloutly no-one else on the server that can?
That is very odd.

Heres Why I Think........... Of Cause Haunter would be best to reply, But hes not on right now, so Here is why I think......


Why was the manager the only one who could set rights?

He didnt trust anyone else? And he never thought it would Happen and he was quite New and didnt want to edit accounts till Overworld was 100% done.

Wasn't there a co-manager?

Nope, someone had FTP, But they needed to be able to add RC and setrights, the person with FTP did what they could but it didn't help too much.

If not thats understandable.
But what I find very odd is that only the manager can upload levels?

Once again other FTP Person Zasquito

There is absoloutly no-one else on the server that can?

*Cough* Zas *Cough* (Still couldnt add rights ect...)

That is very odd.

Not really! Do you understand more now? Really its just the rights we needed =(

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I personally find It hard to belive the time it still took to get RC fixed I Personnaly sent PM's to people who could help:

3 To Stefan
1 To Unixmad
1 To Admin
2 To Nem -Pass onto Stefan (May listen to them more)
1 To Pshyker -Pass onto Stefan (May listen to them more)
1 To Urizen --Pass onto Stefan (May listen to them more, And he did pass to Stefan unlike rest I think, Well Urizen said he did. Atleast Urizen listened and did what he could =D)

And I Mean Manager would have sent some and a few other Staff did I Think.....

I've told you... Stefan did fix my RC once, but it was the wrong IP, then I was degrated to not being a stable person to manage a playerworld just because of my lack of knowledge of computer networks.



This is the main thing that makes me angry.

Everyone has their own opinions.


... No... You quit. you said "Ok, im done here, ban me" right on RC chat, after Duth banned Urizen...

There was going to be a co-manger... Asst. Manager acctually... But I needed to make sure this individual could assist in developing, I didn't want an Asst. Manager that just "You do all the developing work and when a staff does something bad ill click the big button that says 'Ban', ok?". I was just waiting to see if that person could help me...




Ok, that's it for now, if parts of it make no sense at all... It's because I just woke up less than 10 minutes ago! :D kiss kiss...

Still no news! This makes me SOOO angry....

Fox... :(

How he would laugh seeing my postion now.

1.) Dont go off topic
2.) Fox is in past
3.) Fox would have a good job if he was on graal but quit rudora probally.
4.) Stefan or Unixmad please, you shouldnt have shut rudora down, Please reply or add a comment.

I sent messages 2x to Unixmad after the 2nd time it was fixed....

Thanks =D
And it still took ages =(

hows this
 

Why dont we all quit graal right now and find another rpg to play so we can show our frustration by putting stefan and all his cronies out of business

ps: um jk but you can do it if you want

Regardless of what people think, a manager does need to have some degree of inteligence in computers. Would you hire a store manager who's never worked a cash register?

As for Fox... Legends may sleep, but they never die. ;)

no.
He did an awesome job managing Rudora, and just because he didn't know how to get his proper ip because of some networking thing (i don't know the exact reason) DOES NOT mean he is incapable of running a server. He did a damn good job of running the server and that's no reason to take it down!