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Echos 01-18-2002 09:20 AM

Enough with this "Co Owner" business
 
Alright, I find it annoying, the inproper usage of "Co Owner". Most Graalians use it in place of "Assistant Owner". There cannot be an Owner and Co Owner of the same thing at the same time, yet I see it all the time. Co Owner just means multiple owners, that are more or less equal. By saying "more or less", that is an expression, please, do not think that it means that all Co Owners are more powerful or less powerful than everybody else. Please, use it in the correct terms, I can think of somebody over 20 who uses the term Co Owner in place of Assistant Owner, and yet I am only a mere 15 and I understand this term, so please, make sense people...

<3 for logic!

WHIPENIE4 01-18-2002 09:28 AM

(X-Mann)
lol. so detailed :-)

BocoC 01-18-2002 09:40 AM

I kinda agree with you. Instead of co-owner, just be "owner".

LiquidIce00 01-18-2002 09:43 AM

.. what r u talking about .. its like Founder and Co Founder.. its not Assistant Founder .. so its not Assistant Owner ..
and is this bothering u that much u need to post a thread about ??

Echos 01-18-2002 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LiquidIce00
.. what r u talking about .. its like Founder and Co Founder.. its not Assistant Founder .. so its not Assistant Owner ..
and is this bothering u that much u need to post a thread about ??

If there is a founder, then there is no co founder, and vice versa. If 3 people founded something, then they're all the co founders, if only 1, he/she is the founder. Yes, this has been bothering me since playerworlds started using it, it's built up...

LiquidIce00 01-18-2002 09:46 AM

:rolleyes:

WHIPENIE4 01-18-2002 09:51 AM

(X-Mann)
Basically shauns right, 3 people are founders, they make it (Founder) thats it.
co-
pref.
Together; joint; jointly; mutually:
a. Partner or associate in an activity

LiquidIce00 01-18-2002 10:18 AM

co-
pref.
Together; joint; jointly; mutually:
a. Partner or associate in an activity

u said it .. co owner would be an associate ;x

r_u_f_u_s 01-18-2002 10:18 AM

Owner and Co-Owner are pretty much the same position, with same rights, powers, and duties, however if you want to keep things maintained and run properly you should have a system set up. The system could either be that the Owner has slightly more power than the Co-Owner in organizing everything but not in running it, or that the Owner and Co-Owner have equal power but should verify everything important with each other. Look at it however you want, it's not a big deal ;-)

LiquidIce00 01-18-2002 10:19 AM

u can have a co owner have less power..

freddyfox 01-18-2002 10:40 AM

Co-owners are the guys who do the owner's job while he's busy or away or whatever.

Ziro- 01-18-2002 10:46 AM

argh....ehrmm....yea.....i think both owners of something should each be called an "Owner" but the word "co-owner" would be used to show that the person doesn't completely own it....like......

"Ryan W and LiquidIce are co-owners of that stripping club"

and

"Ryan W and LiquidIce are owners of that stripping club"

or

"Ryan W is co-owner of that stripping club."

but not

"Ryan W is owner of that stripping club. LiquidIce is co-owner." this would seem as if you're trying to imply that LiquidIce is nothing compared to Ryan W, because saying one of the first two things should mean the same thing.

Torankusu 01-18-2002 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LiquidIce00
co-
pref.
Together; joint; jointly; mutually:
a. Partner or associate in an activity

u said it .. co owner would be an associate ;x

Then the original term "Owner" would apply to that "Co-Owner," also.

What he means is,
People are using the term as "I am more powerful than the co-owner because I OWN this playerworld.

Instead, it should be:
"We are both equal, because we both own it, making us co-owners."


Love for logic, actually.

SkooL 01-18-2002 11:06 AM

Yes. Co-Owner is improper if you are wanting the "owner" to wield more power. The people you work with, they are your co-workers, and you are their co-worker. You are all equal workers, but are co-working together. Each should have an "Owner" tag. If you are the supposed "owner," you are co-owning with someone else; so you are a co-owner also. If the "owner" wanted to make it proper, he would have to use something such as "Vice Owner."

LiquidIce00 01-18-2002 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ziro-
argh....ehrmm....yea.....i think both owners of something should each be called an "Owner" but the word "co-owner" would be used to show that the person doesn't completely own it....like......

"Ryan W and LiquidIce are co-owners of that stripping club"

and

"Ryan W and LiquidIce are owners of that stripping club"

or

"Ryan W is co-owner of that stripping club."

but not

"Ryan W is owner of that stripping club. LiquidIce is co-owner." this would seem as if you're trying to imply that LiquidIce is nothing compared to Ryan W, because saying one of the first two things should mean the same thing.

what strip club ?;X

MrSmiles 01-18-2002 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ziro-
argh....ehrmm....yea.....i think both owners of something should each be called an "Owner" but the word "co-owner" would be used to show that the person doesn't completely own it....like......

"Ryan W and LiquidIce are co-owners of that stripping club"

and

"Ryan W and LiquidIce are owners of that stripping club"

or

"Ryan W is co-owner of that stripping club."

but not

"Ryan W is owner of that stripping club. LiquidIce is co-owner." this would seem as if you're trying to imply that LiquidIce is nothing compared to Ryan W, because saying one of the first two things should mean the same thing.

Correct You Get 10 points

Ultima_P2P 01-18-2002 03:20 PM

A co-owner is just a friend of the guy who founded the playerworld :rolleyes:

Dolimah 01-18-2002 04:28 PM

Co-Owners may be needed if the Owner doesn't have time or dont want to do anything for the Playerworld.

I have been Co Owner of Dino Valley for quite a while
With more rights then the Owner.
(We agreed that he should not hire staff cause he never was online)

I asked for FTP password changes and RC changes
For that I needed the "rank" Owner..

But perhaps you are right..
In the long run it would have been better if Aramech was just called Founder and me Owner instead of him (because he didn't do anything for Dino Valley and didn't care about DIno Valley anyway)

Cha Cha
EX-Owner Dino Valley

Jinx 01-19-2002 04:34 AM

Re: Enough with this "Co Owner" business
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Echos
I can think of somebody over 20 who uses the term Co Owner in place of Assistant Owner,
This wouldn't happen to be a certain Owner of a certain playerworld named Sanstrata now would it? =P

I look at these forums to learn about what's going on in graal and have fun replying to messages. Not to learn a lesson in grammar, stop making my head hurt =P

I think the phrase Co Owner will stick. Just like the phrase 'Hacking' has stuck as the definition of some idiot using a program to give himself a few rupees in graal. It's been called that long enough that it will just be to hard to track down everyone saying it and convince them to change it.

I do agree that it should be Assitant owner though =P

-Jinx

Nishoku 01-19-2002 04:57 AM

But being in Graal so long everyone's minds have been warped. What you said is true, dont let graal go to your head. The phrase Co- Means what you said, graalians just use it in a different way.

BocoC 01-19-2002 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nishoku
But being in Graal so long everyone's minds have been warped.
Kinda how everybody now thinks Taylor is a person who mends clothes. It's TAILOR!

Echos 01-19-2002 07:23 AM

Re: Re: Enough with this "Co Owner" business
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Jinx


This wouldn't happen to be a certain Owner of a certain playerworld named Sanstrata now would it? =P

-Jinx

No comment.


Yay, other people understand this too, what I am saying, but I want it to be forced down everybody's throat so hard that proper stuff sticks, then, after that, I'll take care of the whole "hacker" stuff.

Warcaptain 01-19-2002 09:34 AM

thats why on my servers i have managers and not co-owners.

i think of it moer like a buisness.

im like the 'president' running the company, and they 'run' the smaller divisions of the 'company'

lightening the work load for everyone.

of course only 1 manager per server ;)

Echos 01-19-2002 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Warcaptain
thats why on my servers i have managers and not co-owners.

i think of it moer like a buisness.

im like the 'president' running the company, and they 'run' the smaller divisions of the 'company'

lightening the work load for everyone.

of course only 1 manager per server ;)

Yeah, on Dolphonia, I, the owner am highest, the second highest is Game Master, I don't dare mess with those who follow the religion of anti-logic

G_yoshi 01-19-2002 12:49 PM

Shaun wins :D

That is why, when I was constantly being flooded with PMs and messages asking if I would hire so-and-so as co-owner I said no because I and only I have been working on my PW since day 1...no one else. I'm not going to give a high-power spot to someone that has done absolutely nothing for me ever. That is also why I probably have so little staff because I tend to want higher quality than what is being produced at this point.

Perfection is impossible to achieve but excellence is as close as one can get to being perfect ;)

Ziro- 01-19-2002 02:26 PM

Re: Re: Enough with this "Co Owner" business
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Jinx


I think the phrase Co Owner will stick. Just like the phrase 'Hacking' has stuck as the definition of some idiot using a program to give himself a few rupees in graal. It's been called that long enough that it will just be to hard to track down everyone saying it and convince them to change it.


Hmm...it does get rather annoying to see people changing words so much....it's kind of like when people on Graal say stupid things like "your ***" or "f u ***et"...You can try to tell them they're mistaken, but they will only say "f u, fing ***et i noe how 2 spl but im juz 2 lazy 2 typ out fll wrdz bsdz it lookz *** wen u typ out a hole wrd or prfctly" And people on Graal will always use the word "n00b" or "newbie" even for people who have been playing for a long time, but don't wish to fight (and then they'll run after getting dropped to .5 hearts by the person they called "n00b").....

royce 01-19-2002 04:50 PM

Umnn....Shaun or whatever his dumb name is, You are totally wrong about everything! Your one of those players that masses about how a server sux and telling the staff how bad it is all day long instead of actually going on a different server to actually enjoy something. And the Co-owner thing. The co-owner is there when the Owner needs help with something or what have you. Co-owner acts like a partner at some times but other times does different things...(USA)owner=President,co-owner=Vice President(USA)...Take a look at the comparison and realize what you are saying

Echos 01-19-2002 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by royce
Umnn....Shaun or whatever his dumb name is, You are totally wrong about everything!
Yeah, Mr. Anti Logic, I'm wrong about everything, in that sentence you violated grammar quite a few times. Please, it is obvious English isn't your first language, speak in your 1st, 2nd, or 3rd language instead of pretendo-English, it would be easier to decypher.
Quote:

Your one of those players that masses about how a server sux and telling the staff how bad it is all day long instead of actually going on a different server to actually enjoy something.
[/B]
Excuse me, but I was bored, and Delteria was just a big target, haven't seen the new one yet. And about all those other times, it's because it's truly how pathetic how they think crap is talent, sigh, there's nothing to really enjoy, so I complain, once again, it's logic at work.
Quote:

And the Co-owner thing. The co-owner is there when the Owner needs help with something or what have you. Co-owner acts like a partner at some times but other times does different things...(USA)owner=President,co-owner=Vice President(USA)...Take a look at the comparison and realize what you are saying [/B]
Hello you American. I am Canadian, but go ahead, assume everybody uses the same Government as you, just that if you know your history you would know that America used that just to be different, but anyways... Co Owner, I know how it is used, but it is used incorrectly, you must have read the title and automatically posted, either that or you must have some blunt object sticking out of your head. If the latter, pick up your phone, call 911, not 912, but 911.

royce 01-20-2002 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Echos

Hello you American. I am Canadian, but go ahead, assume everybody uses the same Government as you, just that if you know your history you would know that America used that just to be different, but anyways... Co Owner, I know how it is used, but it is used incorrectly, you must have read the title and automatically posted, either that or you must have some blunt object sticking out of your head. If the latter, pick up your phone, call 911, not 912, but 911.


Nice way to make friends huh?

Echos 01-20-2002 02:03 PM

I'm not here to make friends

Funkee 01-21-2002 09:36 AM

i agree with MrSmiles


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