I want answers
 

The new client supposedly was coming sometime in February. A little later than the expected release window we were told we would get some info. Now no one will say anything on the matter. I'm getting very annoyed here, someone needs to speak up and tell us what's going on.

it's not ready yet for release

(as in it has critical bugs that prevent it from being usable)

everything is up in the air, and we need flying technology to reach it

You guys should be playing botw anyway

pls post vids of u flailing ur angry arms for proof that u demand answers

Unix be like "I didn't say what year february" :cool:

He said three weeks from the post. It's certainly been longer than 3 weeks.

weeks are relative to what planet you're on, and I can assure you Unixmad isn't from Earth.

pc graal should go to steam, telephones are not the ideal platform for graal. also if on steam can easily be ported to switch or plebstation consoles

graal has never and will never be in a state where it's fit for release on a somewhat credible platform


also the format in itself sets it apart from all the other shitty greenlight games in a much worse way. a downhill mmo is one thing. a downhill mmo managed by the idiotic playerbase is something else entirely.



also why would you mention a nintendo console and any other console in the same breath but call the other one pleb

nintendo > everyone else at video game making

if you disagree, you are entitled to be wrong

Nintendo has been milking the same 3 properties for 30 years, and maybe strayed from the same formula a half dozen times. Nothing great about that.

and to add to that, it's the same formula over and over and sometimes it still sucks. yeah there are great marios and zeldas but jesus **** there's some poor ones.


anyway it's easy to be successful when you're




casual

so props to botw I guess for not just being a rehash of a link to the past for the 300th time

give me another good metroid and then we'll talk

o also props to splatoon for being a new IP, when was the last time nintendo got behind one of those, pikmin? chibi robo?




play nier

lul.

I tried but the PC version is worse and less playable than Super Man 64

It was really laughable coming off of a 25 hour BOTW binge. Bayonetta 2 is better.

The other stuff you said is awful bait, ALTTP is god-tier game design, Wii U palpably has the best games of any current console, and Nintendo hasn't made any of the mistakes you speak of. It's always the situation that if Nintendo doesn't do what you wanted, you complain, but if they do, you also complain. For you, they will never win. For the world on the other hand, all they've done is provide everyone with some of the best entertainment. It really goes to show how much integrity it takes to be Nintendo, or to even be an ardent follower of Nintendo. When competitors get a game on their platform that is great, I usually buy their consoles and praise them for it (MGS on ps1-3 and JSRF on xbox, amazing games on amazing systems). When Nintendo puts a killer app on their platform, one so impressive that there has never been a game like it before even, what happens? You criticize them anyway. In fact you've doubled down on your criticism oddly enough. I'm pretty sure I've figured out who the fanboys are.

That would be a legit criticism if it were true, but you made the numbers up. The truth is that almost 100% of the time that an innovative and successful video game product has ever hit the market, it was made by Nintendo.

Prove me wrong. You can't.

nintendo games are only "innovative" because they keep making ridiculous gimmick controllers that the games have to "innovate" to use. every game that hasn't been that has been shovelware whether it was good or bad. "innovation" doesn't mean anything. it's a made up metric that people like to parrot in place of anything substantial.

as for "successful", which is marginally real if you consider that sales, "almost 100%" must mean "under 50%, most of which is from the 80/90s or rehashes of something from the 80/90s (0 "innovation"). and "under half" is not a contender for "the best"


nintendo is your number 1 source for remakes of good nintendo games

nintendo doesn't even have blast processing

Can anyone successfully read this sentence?^

also I don't criticize nintendo, I criticize nintendo fans. nintendo's fine, they're the best producers of average content around


anyone who thinks bayo or any other nintendo exclusive plays better than nier is bananas

I've played both extensively, there is absolutely no comparison. Nier is good but has major problems with the gameplay (very similar quality situation to other recent games by Platinum such as Transformers Devastation), Bayonetta 2 is well known palpably and established in the action game community as the best action game ever made (subjective opinion, sure, but nier isn't getting unanimous praise at all so the contrast is stark here).

Zelda BOTW on the other hand is better than both games.

You're arguing from an emotional, reactionary, knee-jerk position because you personally hate Nintendo and the people who enjoy their games. I do not personally hate Sony, I just disagree with what they do. I think they are dangerous and self-destructive to the video game industry. Can you imagine having this position? Something that isn't entirely condemning the people you disagree with for your own sense of righteousness? I just don't hate them, I'm not stupid enough to fall into this emotional trap with them. Playstation is a good system and their fans are pretty cool too. Just because it's not as good as Nintendo systems, there's not anything wrong with that. I have said nothing even defammatory about the validity of that platform for games, which is why I have pointed it out as a possible target platform.

My main issue with PS4 is that the square button is too close to the pause button/touch pad. I tried playing Mega Man collection and it made me want to kill myself because I would accidentally pause about 30% of the time I was trying to press the shoot button. Playstation isn't wack. Nobody is wack, they just need to work on their stuff a little better before jumping into a nuanced and honest debate about facts and evidence that back up positions about what is demonstrably a better design.

Can't handle when people give you a hard time for your preference of video game? Suck it up, Nintendo fans have been dealing with this for their entire lives. It's not going to stop, it's going to get worse, and eventually Sony will even release a platform that bombs even worse than PS3 and Vita. There are going to be ups and downs, and there are going to be people who are going to make fun of you for preference. It's petty and tribalistic, yeah, but Nintendo fans have had the worst end of this stick for almost 20-30 years. Now Sony fans are butthurt that the tables are turning a bit, and it's beyond hilarious to watch them unable to receive what they have dished out.

If you go around saying "Zelda isn't that amazing of a game!", what is going to happen is that every time a reasonably mannered human being (someone who probably owns a Wii U and a copy of the game) hears you say it you will lose a ton of credibility points. It's a really really really good game.

There, now you can blame me for derailing the thread even though my original post was completely on-topic. Now back to playing Zelda.

I guess some things never change. :cool:

Yeah sorry now I really don't think you a solid try

Maybe for the first half hour


Didn't you just make up a line about almost 100% (under 50%) of "successful games" are Nintendo, along with some drivel that the Wii U is a successful console despite being outsold by everything else to laughable degrees with main reason being a terrible library



Nah, I just think too many people are far too biased when it comes to them because they're the emotional reactionaries. Nintendo's recent history has had a **** ton of mediocrity, and Nintendo's safety net is the exact opposite of innovation, it's reselling or rehashing old successes. You already stupidly praised them for "innovation" without explaining what that meant. That same innovation that launched the worst selling console of last generation, with oh-so-innovative controller. Or is a new Mario side scroller every year what you meant by innovation?


And BoTW is a solid 8/10.




How dare they produce successful video games and consoles to a changing market. That's the real innovation, the kind that makes money. And I dunno, you sound like the one with a really warped sense of righteousness. I'm just calling you out on blatant lies and general overhyping of an above average product. I don't hate either company, nor do I like them. They're companies. They just exist. But you certainly are stupid enough to fall into an emotional trap.


Aren't they objectively better machines that routinely ship more games, with the Wii being a fluke because of its party games, which was also the first and last time "innovation" worked out?


Yeah sony controllers have always been **** tbf, gamecube and dreamcast had it right

Man I haven't even owned a Sony console since the PSP so I don't really know where you're pulling this Sonyfan **** from, but Nintendo fans have been dealing with this because they're mostly obsessive weirdos who think their detached, mediocre company that pumps a lot of garbage and a few gems is any different than the other detached, mediocre companies that pump out a lot garbage and few gems. At least irrational Sonyfans have the courtesy to stay out of sight and write Kingdom Hearts fanfic.

It is a pretty good game but it is by no stretch of the imagination the game that it is being celebrated as. It's gameplay is nice and smooth but it's also very simple to an almost insulting degree because it never threatens the player with any complexity, and while the story is leagues deeper than the typical Zelda game it's still a very shallow and one dimensional one beyond the opening. It's a good Zelda game. It's a good game in general. But it is not perfect, and it's not close to perfect. It's certainly one of the best open world games that I've stopped giving a **** about to be released this decade, but it's not the best by any means. It's shallow. Shallow in mechanics, shallow in story, and shallow in scope. Which is fine, plenty of great games are shallow. I couldn't begin to tell you what Gauntlet is about, but I still love that piece of ****. But if a game is going to be praised as jesus in a box it better off something more than "the usual but a bit better". So yeah, if one of the six people in the world who own a Wii U wanna come at me, be my guest.


And Nier is waaaaaay better.

Wii was an amazing system and it has better hardcore games than PS3 / 360 which are failed platforms. You have emotional triggered reactions to the memories of when the wee-wee jokes weren't getting through to all your friends and they all bought the console that was supposedly "not mature". Motion controls were innovative. Many games used them in innovative ways, such as Metroid Prime 3. People have fun with it.

When I make the argument that Wii U has better games than PS4, that's because it's palpable. What even is there on PS4 that compares to the quality level of Bayonetta 2, Pikmin 3, Super Mario Maker, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Xenoblade X, etc?

They literally have no games on a similar tier of quality whatsoever, I'm sorry but Fallout isn't cutting it compared to BOTW and Skyrim is beyond sad.

Want to play the funnest and most innovative new online multiplayer shooter game complete with match lobby times taking around ~5 seconds and zero server lag on your Plebstation/Xbox tier platform? Too bad, they don't have Splatoon on those or even on Steam. If you want to play that you need Wii U or Switch. Honestly, I don't even see a comparison here, Wii U annihilates the other platforms when it comes to quality content that is refreshing to play that I actually enjoy. I get if it's not your personal preference, but Nintendo has consistently amazed me in recent years contrary to your claim that they make mediocre games. I agree, Mario Party is lame, and I never buy those games. They sell like 50 million copies each though and lots of people enjoy them, while Zelda and Metroid games often only sell around 2 million each.

The fact that Nintendo even bothers making the traditional games you're criticizing them for making is actually a blessing they give us, because financially they don't have a huge amount of incentive to do it. They do it for the people like me who actually greatly appreciate them for it, and I assume it's because Kyoto-based business philosophy is greatly concerned with the subjects of honor and integrity.

BTW this thread is super hilarious and entertaining to me now. I really wanted to talk about the actual subject of this thread bahahaha

I agree, this thread is very interesting. I never got to see fanboyism this close, even after nearly 2 decades on the internet. Keep it up.

are you still a GP

Hi Lyndzey

this thread breaks all the rules, someone pls call a mod

lmao

"as of March 2008, 1.31 million copies of the game were sold worldwide."
"by January 2008, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare had sold more than 7 million copies worldwide"

Wow it's almost like innovation is proven completely meaningless, and Nintendo's true success, like IW's, is in rehashing successful properties.


Yeah I wonder why the Wii U was a flop then

No arguments there

Sorry I'll just play Overwatch, "innovation" is, again, a completely meaningless qualifier, and "fun" is subjective. I'm glad it took Nintendo three consoles to get passable online working though.

See, that's fine, that's subjective. But if you're trying to pitch a Nintendo console as successful, especially the Wii, the only way to back it up is the party games. For every Metroid Prime 3 there was a Red Steel. Remember how "innovative!!" that was? It was terrible, and they had to update the controllers just to make them work like everyone expected them to. "Innovative" "hardcore" games hardly use innovation as more than a gimmick, where the game would be just as or more enjoyable without it. No More Heroes was my favorite new IP when it launched on the Wii, but I can safely say that it's handled better anywhere else. Metroid is, without a doubt, my favorite franchise, especially the Prime games. And 3 is great! But don't brag about it's innovation when I can name off rattle off a handful of other games without motion controls that sold so much more that it's hardly a footnote. Fun and successful are completely unrelated. My favorite game is ****ing E.G.G. and I don't even know if it pushed four digits worth of sales in America, but it's fun as ****. Having fun with something isn't a sign of success.

They it do it because they need to pay yakuza debts, probably

The best thing Nintendo has going for them is that they're the only ones who still believe in local co-op.

What the man said.

Nah I haven't checked in with Graal in like...5-6 years. I decided to look at the forums a few days ago.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...56bd8f5ce9.jpg

gaming centrists btfo

Whew, this thread is weird. I feel like throwing my hat in the ring as well, though, especially since I finally finished BotW yesterday, after about 105 hours of playing it. A few thoughts in no particular order:

BotW was great, but I agree with the 8/10, because it has too many flaws to be considered groundbreaking. The world was beautiful, and I love exploration, so it gave me a lot there. What it has in world variety, though, it doesn't have in, uh, "other" variety. I really wish there would be more types of monsters, for example, and shrine variety was also ****, and I'm not even talking about complexity of those. "Look, we have 120 shrines!" Uh-huh, and how many of those were "combat trials" or ones with only a chest in it because you apparently earned it by simply finding the thing? And, god dammit, something like 90% of the shrines were piss easy. I really hated that part in the end. The divine beasts were similarly unchallenging. Ugh. In the end, I still liked the game (105 hours, remember?). But it could've been a lot better. Oh yea, horse controls also suck hard.

Next thought! Wii U has the best games? Hell no. I bought mine for Splatoon only, pretty much, which was worth it considering the 800 hours I spent playing it. Sold the Wii U once I got my Switch. Wii U has some good games, but failed as a whole. On the topic of Splatoon: it's amazing, and I can't wait for the sequel. But it's different from other shooters, so I don't see a point in comparing it to any. I regularly play CS:GO, Overwatch and Battlefield 1 and love them all, and Splatoon 2 will join the ranks once it's out. Kamaeru, you're asking what's on the PS4? Huh, let's see. There's Bloodborne, The Last of Us, Horizon: Zero Dawn, inFAMOUS, Driveclub, Persona 5, Ratchet & Clank, ... can't think of any others right now.

Final thought: I like Nintendo. I like what they did with the Switch. BotW was pretty cool (was because replayability is literally zero). I think third party devs will like the Switch as well. Nintendo are not gods, though, and they sure as hell are not making the best games currently available.

I have played these, so you won't be able to sneak past me like this is a good list of games. These games suck.

Wrong.

I agree with you on everything else, BOTW is easy as heck for me especially after completing Zelda 2 recently the hard way (no save states). Splatoon is just...wow. I cannot praise Splatoon enough, but I felt the same way about Pikmin 3 which is highly underrated.

Still, it's more of a mix between Zelda and Animal Crossing style gameplay, and as such it is extremely groundbreaking in the sense that there has literally never been a game of the sort. They tried something new and it worked. The meat and potatoes this game has to offer do not lie in conventional linear straightforward gameplay. I have spent a few hundred hours with the game and I have only completed 2 of the dungeons. It is a game for people who like to make their own open-ended fun, so people for instance who like to rely on others solely for entertainment might not like it as much as I did. For those type of people, I suggest the type of games that are half-movie half-game hybrids like Uncharted, or Metal Gear Solid which is a much better game than Uncharted that does this in a less annoying style.

Here's my list of criticisms of Zelda BOTW:

-Weapons don't break fast enough (always have a full inventory of them even after collecting most of the korok seeds)

-The main bosses are not imaginative (i love the OW minibosses on the other hand)

-No fishing rod (fishing is top tier in this game, in fact it's a strength, and you can even use bait. but why do i have to do it with a bow or spears?)


That's literally it. I tried to think of something else that bothers me, but honestly none of the other stuff does. I thought I would hate the fact that traditional dungeons aren't in the game but the truth is that I started loving it once I got further into the game. It's refreshing and makes it never feel like I am going down a laundry list of chores. At one point I found a crack in the ground near a far edge of the map, and I bombed it revealing an underground cave with a shrine inside that was easily as large and complex as a mid-tier dungeon from any Zelda game. It's stuff like this that Nintendo is the master of. They always come out of left field right when you think you have them figured out. There is never a linear moment in the game, and there has never been a game to even attempt that before. This unmasks Grand Theft Auto, Skyrim, Fallout and all the other "open world" games as completely linear games hiding behind open maps.

Huh, so you do have a PS4. And apparently care enough about it to buy Persona 5 on release day, or a day after or whatever. Didn't like it? Too bad :| It's fine to dislike all of those I listed, but they certainly do not suck, otherwise people wouldn't love them as much as they do.


Okay..?

Played it at a friend's house a bit, to be fair I actually like it. But to go from a thread where someone is calling Nintendo mediocre, it seems perfectly fair for me to also say that I wouldn't give the game a high rating or anything..

I was gonna comment to say that I liked Persona 5 a bit more than:

Ratchet & Clank (had fairly amazing graphics for the platform it's on but was just the archetype of boring, the older games were much better so maybe this series feels stale to me)

Last of Us: I'm far from the only person who thinks this game sucked terribly

Bloodborne: I just mentioned I enjoyed Zelda 2, so I do like this game a little for paying such homage to that game, but to rate it more than a 6 or 7 would just be pushing it.

Horizon: Zero Dawn: If you think this game is so great, you are delusional. Just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVPXKdSEGNQ&t=21s

inFAMOUS: I think you are remembering this one with rose colored glasses because it's not that noteworthy. an ok game

Driveclub: Project Cars is better, and it's not very good

I honestly have given at least a few hours of an attempt to play all of these games, some more, and I'm not sure why this is a noteworthy list. These are some pretty generic titles, the only one with a tremendously underdeserved rating being The Last of Us though. I play a lot of games at other peoples' houses with my friends, and we try everything. When Sony or Microsoft make a console that has a game I really want to play on it, I usually buy it. I bought PS2 and PS3, but PS4 just doesn't have any must-play games that I couldn't already play on my PC that can run the same games in 4K with maxed out settings. I'm just not seeing what you're seeing in it.

Nintendo though has got me by the balls because their games consistently blow me away. Sure, a few weeks after release and 200 hours into BOTW and I feel like taking a break, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the game exceeded my expectations which were already unrealistically sky-high.

I'll just go ahead and only comment on things I want to add to.

You're one of the few I've seen say that, so I'm really wondering why.. gameplay is snappy and feels very good, not as slapped on as in Uncharted either (bear with me, only played 4; wasn't _that_ good).

But why? To me, Bloodborne is as close to perfection as it could ever be. Certainly a step up from Dark Souls. Also ultimately the reason I got my PS4.

Honestly, I haven't played it yet. It is quite beautiful though, even though there is an obvious lack of detail compared to BotW and other games.

Nah, I only listed it because it came to mind. Never said amazing. I agree it was mostly just an okay game, still quite fun though.

This one is a bit difficult. From what I've seen, people mostly dislike the simulation part of Driveclub. I'm just a racing game pleb, though, and just like to thoroughly enjoy how incredibly beautiful Driveclub is. Plays nice, too.

I wish I could say that Ninty blew me away with anything recently. Don't get me wrong, I love my Switch and BotW, I really do. But for them to really blow me away.. they need another 2D Metroid game.

kaemeru is interesting because hes one of the few people who has an alpha attitude when it comes to arguing but is just always wrong :(

lol

Now i think that Kamaeru is just mocking us.
I would like to believe that everything he said was just a joke.