Tf happened to Unholy Nation?
 

To my understanding, Ramza hacked UN x50 because of some "war" against Carlito.

Ramza has also hacked staff from GK and Era. If he keeps hacking those servers, will they be taken off the list too? What about Delt and Zodiac?

i was expecting it to be down for 3 days and then become resurrected on the sunday!

it was an easter event

unholy nation is being punished for its unholiness

it's being rebranded as pious state

: - (

Basically this, yeah. Ramza and Stowen (who is working with Ramza) got hired as staff multiple times (as high as manager/co-manager) and were basically freely allowed to play by the local staff despite an innumerable amount of warnings by Carlito that this would happen if it continued.

It isn't that we blame local staff for their inability to secure their servers or accounts (although at some point the excuse "oh I kept downloading rc5.exe from Carlito's old Skype" gets old). But Ramza would "hack" a staff member, delete the server, and next day GPs basically let him walk around freely. This is largely due to his reputation (people still think he's a hacker; he is not) but yeah. Can't have that.

This was sorta coming for a while anyway. UN had nobody capable who was willing to be Manager for a long period of time (roughly... since early 2014). I don't have the time for it like I used to -- Ph8 was about to step down -- we were basically chain-appointing GPs as Managers over there and hoping for the best. Jave was a good fit for a period but after he left there was really nobody left to replace him. Little development happened in the last half-year anyway and the server was in decline. If anything, Ramza just sped up the inevitable.

and of course just like the real good friday when jesus died, people will be left waiting more than 3 days for the phoenix down

a new volunteer steps up

thugt:
can u post that i would even be manager if it came down to it even though i dont want to do it, i rly rly would hate it for this server to get taken down even if its just off the serverlist its a slippery slope and ide hate to see no classic spar servers on the graal client list..

Hopefully a solution is found. Though I'd be interested to see what would happen if in the mean time a server was placed on the list which consisted entirely of a spar arena.

I'll be the Manager. Just have all staff members message me here.

just let biggy have this one

sad day
guess it's time to uninstall for realsies this time

Colosseum!

would be nice

a PvP server with perks and achievements and ranks and rewards would be cool, with nice graphics and sounds and levels

progressively getting stronger aswell, but with an emphasis on skill/reflexes/reactions

Yes I vote someone to upload a ladder ranked spar!

Ramza made this thread.

Good work on UN though, that server and its staff were a mess. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

All I know is, there needs to be some kind of og server on the list, with the original classic-esque graal mechanics that I love.

It was just bad, UN needed to die if PC Graal is to ever move forward again.

how? why?

I fail to see the logic of this statement. UN isn't for everyone, but it is a popular server, and it being taken off the list is just going to cause more members to leave Graal. I do not see any new servers being put up, haven't for a long time.

Perhaps the reason a lot of servers are not being developed anymore is due to a lack of compatible tools with newer computer software. Also, the lack of scripters is pretty apparent to any individual who possess functional vision. We need to face it, PC Graal is dying, it's a new age and it has all switched to mobile platforms.

Bring UN back to the list, it has a loyal and decent number of people who enjoy it. Management may have failed, but the server still has all the content and fun it needs to remain.

Surely someone with a bit of coding skill/Team management can take over

i will take over

look at me
[blackface]:noob:[/blackface]
u are the un manager now

un is now offically called graral classic adventure

:)

Relax, UN will return.

Bring it back
 

UN is the primary server I have played for the last 14 or so years on and off. It is basically the only server I play. Bring it back I say as all the other servers aren't the same. I'd still play if it was up and each server we lose is a step closer to Graal as a whole shutting down. Giving up because management is bad is a quitter attitude to a problem that will eventually be an issue on every server as the populations dwindle.

I believe KaidaChan aka Fuza has the potential to take over as manager of the server. Let's give her a chance and put Unholy Nation back on the list, seeing as it's currently stable.

She gave me some details on her plan. It sounds like it could work. She is taking into consideration the history of UN and not just completely trashing everything.

I think with her running the server, it could revive.

look let's be real here

un's history is pretty terrible

It's management hasn't been the best in recent years, that's true. But it's still a server filled with content.

But now that a few toxic people are now finally banished, I think Unholy Nation will rebuild in a positive manner.

quantity over quality at its finest, though

UN has been 0% quality 100% playerbase for a long time. Their mistake was trying to take the server seriously.

Both locals and globals screwed up by allowing this to happen, and I think it's pretty irresponsible that a PWA is in this thread crediting another player with "speeding up the inevitable." When Graal allows someone as unintelligent as MidNight Chill to run rampant for 5+ years, when all he does is harass the community and cause problems, you don't go and credit him for bringing down the server. You're just feeding into that creepy superiority complex of his. He isn't responsible for this. The staff are.

Admittedly, I didn't play much from 2009 onwards. During the brief periods I did, it seemed like the only loyal UN players that met the qualifications of Manager were probably Manta, Hoyt, Rage, Ph8, and a few others. Many didn't want to step up, so people who had no business being Manager were put in that position (Malinko, Spryte, Okilian, Stowen, HK, and so on). Globals aren't at fault for that. It's a consequence of how poor the UN community has been for a long time. Many of them had zero developmental capability or experience. I'm sure the majority who took the position saw it as something that could benefit them and their friends rather than an opportunity for them to improve the server.

The sad part is how UN went out of its way to try and integrate toxic players like MidNight into their community. When someone is attacking your server, you don't give them NPCs around the map. You don't let them sit in mass messages harassing players all day long. All of you, except Carlito, seemed afraid of MidNight. It's as if UN was so desperate for players, or not to be bothered, that you'd let him do anything he wanted. While Carlito probably handled it arrogantly at times, at least he didn't allow MidNight to walk all over UN like local staff did. Then, when Carlito would log off after handling janitorial duties, the entire server would talk badly about him and claim that he's the one responsible for UN's problems.

Go look at the visitor message that OP left in Carlito's profile, it's a prime example of what I mean. I mean, that's probably because OP himself is MidNight and he posted this thread specifically to get attention, but yeah.

That being said, I will admit that Carlito probably should not be in the position he is if he's going to get hacked every other week. It's pretty embarrassing to see a community so fearful of someone when the extent of what he can do is resolve IP through a Skype username (can't even do that anymore) and paste it into a UDP flooder that he probably pays $5/month for. I'm sure most of what has happened recently was the doing of Fogles, anyway. MidNight is in no way a "hacker" or someone to be afraid of. If you knew what his real life was like, you'd be anything but intimidated.

Back to UN's collapse being inevitable though: I disagree. It was avoidable. I'm glad it did happen though, because it's the UN community that brought it upon themselves. Globals could have done a lot more, but it's that awful lineage of management and players that acted as insiders for cancerous players, got hacked, continued to embrace said "hacker" in full Stockholm syndrome style, and inevitably allowed the entire situation to ruin the server.

So, congratulations, after more than a decade of pretending to be people he isn't and causing problems for the game, the trash-era UN community has finally given MidNight the reputation that he has craved for so long. The true loser here is iClassic though, because that's where the UN community will migrate to next.

Amen to all of that

RIP UN Past - Present. In our hearts you will continue living your undisputed legacy <3

UNs community became reduced to a few oldies who were chill, a bunch of kids, and messed up people. It use to be a fun place to log on now its dreadful.

N-Pulse :(