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Eclipse 02-08-2015 01:31 PM
Good gang admin
 
hes done such a good job, era has 4 gangs and 2 are active!!!!!! ( and by active they get 2k points a week)

thats 50%!!!!!!!

GOOOD JOB

Supaman771 02-08-2015 05:41 PM
(Gang Admin),(Business Admin)

There doesn't seem to be a gang admin at this time.
lel

Godzilla 02-08-2015 09:43 PM
I threw my name forward for the position with some quick-fix alternatives until more stable content for Gangs could be developed, seemed like they were interested but after a week of waiting around and watching the inevitable of Gangs being roasted to the bone with inactivity, I decided it was time to move on.

MysticalDragon 02-08-2015 09:47 PM
I thought you quit?

Cubical 02-09-2015 02:12 PM
he would quit life before quitting graal.

Eclipse 02-09-2015 06:42 PM
make me gang admin bro i got them ideas

SharkeySprinkles 02-17-2015 12:34 PM
Personally I wonder, is a gang admin even necessary? It's just a title. They really have zero power (unless they can develop, which is what made Swift a decent Gang Admin, he could do all the work on his own.) What I plan to do is fix the current system, re-tweak the bases, figure out a way to give actual raiding bonuses and incentives, open up the gang system to a few gangs and bring back the party system, and then and only then will I revisit the topic of a gang admin.

Also, we're not trying to re-invent the wheel here as people seem to think. All we're trying to do is find a common balance of every idea that works together, and makes people want to play.

Honestly, the entire purpose of a gang admin is to handle questions/complaints/help new leaders, all which can be done via our PR's or current admins.

Fiberwyre_P2P 02-17-2015 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by SharkeySprinkles (Post 1734699)
and bring back the party system
:O oh my

Frankie 02-17-2015 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SharkeySprinkles (Post 1734699)
Personally I wonder, is a gang admin even necessary? It's just a title. They really have zero power (unless they can develop, which is what made Swift a decent Gang Admin, he could do all the work on his own.) What I plan to do is fix the current system, re-tweak the bases, figure out a way to give actual raiding bonuses and incentives, open up the gang system to a few gangs and bring back the party system, and then and only then will I revisit the topic of a gang admin.

Also, we're not trying to re-invent the wheel here as people seem to think. All we're trying to do is find a common balance of every idea that works together, and makes people want to play.

Honestly, the entire purpose of a gang admin is to handle questions/complaints/help new leaders, all which can be done via our PR's or current admins.
I was always a firm believer that "admin" positions are nothing more than an excuse to give someone power. majority of the time, those people aren't even the ones doing any of the real work. if the gang admin wants a new gang system or feature, who's coding it? certainly not him.

it's honestly a responsibility that a server manager should have no problems handling.

if the server needs a specific person to hold everyone's hand and entice them to participate in gangs, I think that reveals a bigger problem that needs to be resolved that a gang admin can't fix.

cbk1994 02-17-2015 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 1734707)
it's honestly a responsibility that a server manager should have no problems handling.

if the server needs a specific person to hold everyone's hand and entice them to participate in gangs, I think that reveals a bigger problem that needs to be resolved that a gang admin can't fix.
I don't disagree, but there is a benefit to having someone who can host gang events with some regularity and reasonable level of quality. It doesn't really matter who that person is, but Gangs Admin or ETA was usually a good choice.

Tim_Rocks 02-17-2015 08:01 PM
Chris Vimes for gang admin!

Kohola_KinG 02-17-2015 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Tim_Rocks (Post 1734710)
Chris Vimes for gang admin!
Give Chris PWA chief, we only need one. Give him manager, give him everything. This kid is harry potter of the graal world.

BlueMelon 02-17-2015 09:12 PM
no don't take away chris' life

Reddy548 02-17-2015 09:31 PM
Instead of hiring gang admin , stop screwing things like gang bases

Tim_Rocks 02-17-2015 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Reddy548 (Post 1734716)
Instead of hiring gang admin , stop screwing things like gang bases
They weren't being raided before anyway. Times have changed, the players mind set and objectives has changed with it. It's not about the money, it's about sending a message. Players wanted fast kills, and more money. So we gave it to them and it worked great for a couple months. One problem swift always came to me about was the lack of appreciation for all the hard work he did. Players were constantly harassing him to host this, host that. And he would, then they'd complain that they didn't win therefore it's his fault for hosting it x/y/z way. Sorry slight rant.

Eclipse 02-18-2015 10:46 PM
Call them "useless staff with no power"for all i give a ****, just having an active person to promote raiding and host mini events / reliable host for gang event can make all the difference

shrimps 02-18-2015 10:59 PM
I agree @ Eclipse. The players need to be babied into raiding.

Zongui 02-19-2015 12:22 AM
era needs that wil soul type of player that will make everyone raid.

MysticalDragon 02-19-2015 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 1734707)
I was always a firm believer that "admin" positions are nothing more than an excuse to give someone power. majority of the time, those people aren't even the ones doing any of the real work. if the gang admin wants a new gang system or feature, who's coding it? certainly not him.

it's honestly a responsibility that a server manager should have no problems handling.

if the server needs a specific person to hold everyone's hand and entice them to participate in gangs, I think that reveals a bigger problem that needs to be resolved that a gang admin can't fix.
These days are over. Servers don't need multiple administrations, nevermind prestige staff members that step down and maintain there rights. At most servers only need one admin and possible a head of every department. Once they step down, there rights should be adjusted accordingly. If they resign, they should be removed from rc entirely.

Tim_Rocks 02-19-2015 05:27 PM
I'm not sure where it was mentioned prior, but I did do a poll in the past and the players wanted gmap bases over the old style bases. Thought I'd put that out there.

shrimps 02-19-2015 05:36 PM
Rigged poll. :(

Eclipse 02-19-2015 07:30 PM
bring old gang bases back, but still keep a npc at unstick for the "raid" level if raiding does get to active for the bases

Frankie 02-20-2015 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1734709)
I don't disagree, but there is a benefit to having someone who can host gang events with some regularity and reasonable level of quality. It doesn't really matter who that person is, but Gangs Admin or ETA was usually a good choice.
eta is probably the only admin position that I don't see as a big deal because managing events team staff is a petty job that the server manager shouldn't have to deal with, and they don't require rc. I wouldn't mind seeing an eta in charge of gang events. I don't think gangs require enough content to be created to the point where you would need a gang admin with dev capabilities, so there's no point in having a gang admin with rc if all they're good for is hosting events.

Kohola_KinG 02-20-2015 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 1734772)
eta is probably the only admin position that I don't see as a big deal because managing events team staff is a petty job that the server manager shouldn't have to deal with, and they don't require rc. I wouldn't mind seeing an eta in charge of gang events. I don't think gangs require enough content to be created to the point where you would need a gang admin with dev capabilities, so there's no point in having a gang admin with rc if all they're good for is hosting events.
Gang Admins are only good for hosting"< This line comes up a lot recently. The only reason Gang Admins are only good for hosting is because they aren't given any other rights to do anything else. Teach them to develop, help them work on projects etc give them a reason to use their rights. It's a team effort.

ToreG 02-20-2015 01:13 PM
I'll go ahead and set the record straight -- the ETA, PRA, and Housing Admin positions have all been absorbed into one singularity; the PSA. The PSA is in charge of ALL non-development related issues and branches. As far as I know, there will be a separate entity for the Gang Admin. The PSA can choose an Asst. PSA to help him/her with managing these branches. Apart from the PSA and Asst. PSA, they can pick someone to supervise each of the branches if they so-desire. The supervisor can act as a mini-Admin of the given branch. They can report all issues to the PSA and Asst. PSA, should they arise. The supervisors will be given little to no extra rights. As far as the Events Team branch is concerned, the PSA and Asst. PSA will act as the ETA and AETA, and I will be the supervisor. I will manage the Events Team to a lesser degree than the PSA / Asst. PSA and may be in charge of hirings in the future. At this current moment in time, I will be in charge of Gang Events come Sunday.

I hope this clears some things up.

Kohola_KinG 02-20-2015 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ToreG (Post 1734783)
I'll go ahead and set the record straight -- the ETA, PRA, and Housing Admin positions have all been absorbed into one singularity; the PSA. The PSA is in charge of ALL non-development related issues and branches. As far as I know, there will be a separate entity for the Gang Admin. The PSA can choose an Asst. PSA to help him/her with managing these branches. Apart from the PSA and Asst. PSA, they can pick someone to supervise each of the branches of they so-desire. As far as the Events Team branch is concerned, the PSA and Asst. PSA will act as the ETA and AETA, and I will be the supervisor. At this current moment in time, I will be in charge of Gang Events come Sunday.

I hope this clears some things up.
Which makes zero sense. PSA was always a useless tag. Just leave the ETA to ETA. Leave Gang Admin to gang admin.

Who's going to manage gangs? Nobody in the current staff team have a clue about gangs. Also the hosting of these gang events have been severely poor the last couple of months.

ToreG 02-20-2015 01:28 PM
I didn't make things clear to debate anything, I did it to make clear what has happened and what is going to happen, with no wiggle room. The Gang Admin tag will remain, to my knowledge. As far as hosting gang events goes, I will be training some ETs on how to properly host them, so that hopefully in the future, gang events will be more often hosted. Hopefully, one day gang events will occur way more often than they currently do.

Eclipse 02-22-2015 02:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ToreG (Post 1734783)
I'll go ahead and set the record straight -- the ETA, PRA, and Housing Admin positions have all been absorbed into one singularity; the PSA. The PSA is in charge of ALL non-development related issues and branches. As far as I know, there will be a separate entity for the Gang Admin. The PSA can choose an Asst. PSA to help him/her with managing these branches. Apart from the PSA and Asst. PSA, they can pick someone to supervise each of the branches if they so-desire. The supervisor can act as a mini-Admin of the given branch. They can report all issues to the PSA and Asst. PSA, should they arise. The supervisors will be given little to no extra rights. As far as the Events Team branch is concerned, the PSA and Asst. PSA will act as the ETA and AETA, and I will be the supervisor. I will manage the Events Team to a lesser degree than the PSA / Asst. PSA and may be in charge of hirings in the future. At this current moment in time, I will be in charge of Gang Events come Sunday.

I hope this clears some things up.
who the hell are you

SharkeySprinkles 02-22-2015 11:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ToreG (Post 1734783)
I'll go ahead and set the record straight -- the ETA, PRA, and Housing Admin positions have all been absorbed into one singularity; the PSA. The PSA is in charge of ALL non-development related issues and branches. As far as I know, there will be a separate entity for the Gang Admin. The PSA can choose an Asst. PSA to help him/her with managing these branches. Apart from the PSA and Asst. PSA, they can pick someone to supervise each of the branches if they so-desire. The supervisor can act as a mini-Admin of the given branch. They can report all issues to the PSA and Asst. PSA, should they arise. The supervisors will be given little to no extra rights. As far as the Events Team branch is concerned, the PSA and Asst. PSA will act as the ETA and AETA, and I will be the supervisor. I will manage the Events Team to a lesser degree than the PSA / Asst. PSA and may be in charge of hirings in the future. At this current moment in time, I will be in charge of Gang Events come Sunday.

I hope this clears some things up.
And I'll go ahead and say that this is just a test. I personally think the PSA tag was a joke and was all for when we removed it. Also, I believe an ETA is needed, as PSA/PRA/GPA or what ever you wish to call him has bigger problems to handle then making sure ETs are on tag and not idling.

I also believe ETA doesn't need RC, and I also believe a Gang Admin isn't really required, however we've hired one to help get the raiding going.

We'll see how this goes, and I'll probably be adjusting it accordingly in the next few days/weeks to fit our needs.

ChainGang_DX 02-23-2015 05:39 AM
Still don't think its fair for a Gang Admin to not host gang event's (lol) , might as well give them the "Creative Director" position. I'd say they need to put in the actual work now that the Script guy's are doing all the work! Either way let's see how this goes.. 2nd gang admin in less than 2 month's, eh what could possibly go wrong!.

ToreG 02-23-2015 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SharkeySprinkles (Post 1734870)
And I'll go ahead and say that this is just a test. I personally think the PSA tag was a joke and was all for when we removed it. Also, I believe an ETA is needed, as PSA/PRA/GPA or what ever you wish to call him has bigger problems to handle then making sure ETs are on tag and not idling.
I can see how you are saying an ETA tag is needed, and that's where I come in. The PSA sees over all changes or modifications I do to the Events Team and makes sure they are reasonable and justifiable. For example, I fired an ET yesterday, and hired 3 new ones. If the PSA thought that any of them were uncalled for, they could undo it, easy peasy. Our PSA also has chosen several people to join the Events Team, as they also have a say in it, of course. All the PSA adds is really another rank before Manager, when it comes to managing the Events Team, anyways.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SharkeySprinkles (Post 1734870)
I also believe ETA doesn't need RC, and I also believe a Gang Admin isn't really required, however we've hired one to help get the raiding going.
I can see where you're coming from as far as RC & ETA are concerned. The ETA, or supervisor, or PSA, whatever you want to call it doesn't need it, given that they don't develop. However, both PSAs and I are also active PRs, so that's why we have RC, as you very well know. As far as Gang Admin is concerned, that could be managed by one individual very easily, like the PSA. However, I can see how it's a luxury to have a Gang Admin to take some of the stress off the PSA.

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Originally Posted by SharkeySprinkles (Post 1734870)
We'll see how this goes, and I'll probably be adjusting it accordingly in the next few days/weeks to fit our needs.
To be honest, it's really already adjusting itself automatically. Of course, you have complete control over it anyways.

Kohola_KinG 02-23-2015 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ToreG (Post 1734902)
I can see how you are saying an ETA tag is needed, and that's where I come in. The PSA sees over all changes or modifications I do to the Events Team and makes sure they are reasonable and justifiable. For example, I fired an ET yesterday, and hired 3 new ones. If the PSA thought that any of them were uncalled for, they could undo it, easy peasy. Our PSA also has chosen several people to join the Events Team, as they also have a say in it, of course. All the PSA adds is really another rank before Manager, when it comes to managing the Events Team, anyways.



I can see where you're coming from as far as RC & ETA are concerned. The ETA, or supervisor, or PSA, whatever you want to call it doesn't need it, given that they don't develop. However, both PSAs and I are also active PRs, so that's why we have RC, as you very well know. As far as Gang Admin is concerned, that could be managed by one individual very easily, like the PSA. However, I can see how it's a luxury to have a Gang Admin to take some of the stress off the PSA.



To be honest, it's really already adjusting itself automatically. Of course, you have complete control over it anyways.

PSA/PRA whatever you guys are calling it now shouldn't have to deal with ET's. Nobody really cares about ET... ET isn't a staff position. Also quit with the million commas you're not using them correctly.

ToreG 02-23-2015 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG (Post 1734904)
PSA/PRA whatever you guys are calling it now shouldn't have to deal with ET's. Nobody really cares about ET... ET isn't a staff position. Also quit with the million commas you're not using them correctly.
First you complain about gangs. Then you complain about not getting gang admin. Then it's the mall stand. You really think I care what you have to say about my grammar? Does Graal look like an English mastery course? Go bug somebody else, seriously.

Arakonda 02-23-2015 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ToreG (Post 1734905)
First you complain about gangs. Then you complain about not getting gang admin. Then it's the mall stand. You really think I care what you have to say about my grammar? Does Graal look like an English mastery course? Go bug somebody else, seriously.
Who are you though, seriously..

Godzilla 02-23-2015 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Arakonda (Post 1734916)
Who are you though, seriously..
I literally haven't stopped laughing since this kid posted

ooger 02-23-2015 07:43 PM
He's a newer player that has shown a lot of interest in the progression of Era as a server. He was a very active ET for a while and rose to PR. Every experience I've had with him has been professional and he's been very helpful (and when he doesn't know how to help, he asks for help from someone else instead of just ignoring pms).

I don't know how you guys can have these ideas of grandeur and widespread success of the server when every time a new guy comes around and tries to help everyone says 'who r u nob fk off this is oldby land'

He's doing more than half of the people writing essays on here and crying when their ideas are 'stolen', 'improperly applied', or when nobody wants to hire you because you're an *******.

JEM 02-23-2015 07:58 PM
Why is everyone hatin' on this dude

FOR. REAL.

shrimps 02-23-2015 08:29 PM
Keep, up, the, good, work, Tore! Although, be, it, in, vein, since, you'll, just, be, trash, talked, and, ridiculed.

Eclipse 02-23-2015 09:03 PM
must, be , from, ,iera

SharkeySprinkles 02-23-2015 11:01 PM
Listen bro, I'm just saying, that I won't just make changes, but that we have like, silly admins, and silly positions, and that like, it all needs to be adjusted, as we see fit, I'm not going, to just change, things, because I want to, but because it'll make the flow, easier.

,,,,,


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