Mvp weapons
 

I have a question. Why are these weapons untradeable when the EC's weapons aren't?

Surely if you earn MVP weapons that's a much harder thing to accomplish then surely you should have more freedom to do whatever you please with your weapons? But instead it's the opposite way around?

This annoyed a lot of people when the SD was made untradeable and only giving a few days notice. What was the reason behind that? Wait.. I'll tell you the reason..

It's because i asked Zao to stock them as they're never stocked and he said ill only stock them if they become untradeable. May i ask why? He decided to stock one and let me buy for 20 mvp coins and made me do a deal with him not to tell anyone and told me if i were to trade it he would delete it from my account with no refunds. Sadly i didn't give a **** about what he said because he was the person being corrupt, not me. I earned my mvps and bought my weapon. The reason it was made untradeable was to cover his ass incase i bought it and sold it. (No idea what the problem in that is) but he seemed to have one.

So my question is. Why is weapons such as Ares, flaks etc all tradeable when MVP weaons aren't? Especially considering the Ares is probably the best gun in the game. :asleep:

Makes no sense. Just make them all tradeable. It gives people more guns to aim for, not everybody can get the chance to compete for MVP's and the ones who do get teamed in events so they dont win mvps so it's just a vicious circle of the same people winning mvps and having these weapons.

Make them tradeable so people have more things to do when it comes to merching etc i see no harm in them being tradeable? Just remove the pawn option and it's all good?

I agree

I always made the MVP/EC weapons untradable cause I disliked the occurrences when people (namely Seth/Sebastien) abused events (namely races at 3am) to get insane amounts of EC.. and sold Bows/LS/Flaks for mini fortunes in a matter of weeks.

A smaller issue happened when Samurai swords came out, but they're less popular than the EC items were and MVP are harder to get so that was fine.

When MVP guns came out I made sure to make them untradable. The goal is to earn something unique... when people see someone with a Vector I wanted them to know "That guy was a 20 time MVP he must be pretty good." etc. Also collecting the set was a sweet bonus.

I did the same when we released the EC items. Somebody, somewhere changed this at some point. And it's honestly too late now (These guns shouldn't even be available anymore, the shop was supposed to rotate stocks bi-yearly and only stock 3 of each one.. which would in theory make trading them less of an issue).

Mp5 SD was another anomaly.. someone just threw it in the shop and it kept getting stocked. I like how Zao approached the issue after I brought it up to him, giving a deadline to trade then making them untradable again. He stocked one for me to buy too, as long as I didn't trade it before the deadline. This is hardly abuse, as you said we earned the coins and wanted our prizes... but waiting a few weeks or not to get them was nbd really.

Just make them all untradable.

So instead of fixing the main problem being, the event bot... You just made them untradeable letting them have as many coins as they wanted for anytime a new weapon came out ? :confused:

Why didn't you just remove the event bot and the problem would have been solved? That's the only thing thye could have abused. If they played normal events from ET's hosting then that is not abuse at all, that's called playing and winning and earning...

I don't see the problem now with people abusing, it's our weapons and we want to trade them. It's a playercount with average of 50 players, the hell does it matter? You still haven't given me a good reason why they should remain untradeable? I can give you a list of why it should be tradeable

So, make them tradeable.

I personally wasn't staff however I was on here posting threads about the issue for quite awhile that's why I remember it.
I'm not sure of the exact management, but this occurred prior to the Samurai Sword being added to the MVP shop so it was pretty long ago.

It got fixed eventually, yeah.

But they should be untradable because people would just keep converting coins into money via. these items... and players who didn't earn them would just buy them. Not only is that extremely lame and boring, but the players who already have them would just gain a ton of personal value with the flip of a switch.

They would be selling their weapons for money already in the economy. Nothing is being pumped into the economy from this? It's just money moving from one player to another. Giving them more items to trade and new guns to play with, no problem in that?

Eventually the more MVP items there is out there that has been bought and is tradeable it will lose some of it's value. This is when you introduce new MVP weapons. A lot of people see this as a way of getting money for themselves. They make money through pking and earning prizes rather than having to work in mines etc.

You guys are just killing fun rather than making fun. Your reasons don't seem to convince me enough they should remain untradeable. They cant pawn them so not like a lot of money is being pumped into the economy anyway and even if it was, who cares? Not like staff care about that anyways when it's currently still happening with gang points and money per kill.

Players would prefer it to be tradeable. It makes more fun and sense than making them untradeable.. for somebody like me i could end up with all those weapons and then a bunch of useless mvp coins? makes no sense.

MAKE THEM TRADEABLE.

I don't think being able to buy a brand new weapon right when it comes out is that big of a deal.
What is the difference between buying a new weapon with old ECs versus new ECs? You still had to play and win the same amount of events to get them.

but we allow betflipping? :confused:

winning 11 mill over night NBD, being able to sell MVP guns OMGERD NOOO

It's a big deal when they're abusing systems to get them, aren't you reading what's been said?

If people earn their ec's and buy them then no, it's certainly NOT a big deal.

It's also no big deal if these guns are made tradeable. Rogues just being silly here, he still hasn't given me a good enough reason why they should be untradeable. Nobody has?

Why? Because their is none.... Nobody abuses anymore for EC's.. So they're allowed to sell their items.. Impossible to abuse MVP's and harder to earn, so why cant we sell our weapons???

I remember when they were tradable, they were going for 1mil a pop, I doubt they would reach higher than that after the initial week or so. I don't see the big deal in them being tradable, although I did like the exclusivity of them being non-tradable.

Yes they were, but that's fine? It's money moving from one player to another. No problems here. There is no big deal in them being trade-able that's thing. Exclusivity is having them limited to people of wealth or high social class. I hate this with a passion.

Meh, I guess I'd be willing to make them tradable, but it would ultimately be up to Zao or Amsel so you have to get their permission. If I just changed it randomly they'd probably whine. :D

Each MVP gun is quite over-powered but balanced at the same time through;

Vector -24 clip
AR15 - fire-rate isn't high
AA12 - basically old AA12 with 2 less clip
MP5 SD - 19 damage

If they become tradable we might see nerfs happen to them... which would suck.

Direct them to this thread and tell them to give their reasons on why it shouldn't be trade-able. We can discuss it all night but it makes no sense to limit them to the same people. I'm losing my nut having to keep this gun on my inventory... I earned it i should have the right to do what i like with it. So should anyone else.

Make them trade-able and bring more things to the market for people to trade and use. It only makes sense and it's what the players want.

They have weights and aren't drop-able or trade-able. Seems really silly, you're basically buying less inventory space.

I understand why they have made them the way they are now though; Balanced to be the best and are for players who can earn "Most Valuable Player" coins, thus proving they deserve to have the best guns because at some stage they were the "best"

Heres my problem though; I remember in gang events when our team would win an event we would all go to LMS, we would just let someone win so they could stack their coins and get an MVP weapon, I assume it still happens to this day, especially when we had gangs full of friends and a 10 member limit not long ago.

Theres what, 5-10 gang events weekly, that's 5-10 coins one person would win per-day, getting a MVP gun in a matter of weeks, based off of whether our gang would win every event or not.

I personally, being one of the richest players again, don't see an issue with them being trade-able but they wouldn't hold the same value as they do now; priceless...

Thus meaning they wouldn't be for the best anymore, they would be for the lucky kid who called heads or tails right all night. Thus making them easily obtainable and eventually just becoming another weapon everyone cries about being too good.

I like the way they are now but if they become drop-able whats the point of making them 20 MVP coins and not just another gun in the shop, they will just become the next Ares, some random kids have them from buying them and a few elites who have just bought them refuse to sell them, I would be interested to know if anyone who actually bought the Ares for 750 coins or whatever it is actually kept it and didn't just sell it for a quick buck.

I guess what I'm ultimately saying is; We make them trade-able, kids cry and they eventually get nerfed or we keep them how they are and they remain the best weapons on the game and have those stats for a purpose and reason.

I can easily remove the weight on the gun.. I don't see that as being a big deal. Weight system is only half-right anyway. A lot of items have weird weights or no weight at all.

I agree with Koho.

I support them going trade-able. I would just hate to see a bunch of random rich kids owning them and them becoming terrible from nerfs because anyone can get their hands on one.

I would probably be one of these people getting my hands on one of them.

These weapons are distinctively the best and have a sense of accomplishment that goes along with that, they have that because of the ability to only obtain them through MVP coins. I mean, I had my hands on a Vector for a short time and whilst I did players knew; "Hey, he has an MVP weapon, he either got 350 points real quick this week or he must be really good to have gotten 20 MVP coins".

I will go back to my other statement though; MVP Coins aren't really hard to obtain, I was talking to a few of the other elite players in BH, LC and BB, we all basically said the same thing; we fed that guy weekly to get an MVP weapon then we rotated to the next person, that's how we all have MVP guns.

I mean, in reality, MVP weapons aren't that hard to get but you either need to be a very very good player or have a team of good players that will forfeit their coins for you weekly.

I also think that Koho has a good argument; He bought the gun for the 20 coins and in reality his weapon isn't much better than any other so he would rather get rid of it for a quick buck and start the process again. He got the coins, he should have the ability to do as he pleases with his weapon.

I just want to know though; Is it worth it? I mean you have a distinctive weapon that proves at some point you were a very good player, do you really want that whole scheme going out the window and watching every rich scrub buy the same guns?

I'm in favor of keeping them non trade able.
Maybe add some more MVP items, and make it where you can return MVP items for 1/3rd of the coins spent? I don't know just a thought.
I saw somebody say it, not sure if it was in-game or in this thread, but you could also make MVP coins where you can "cash them in" for 50 ECs or some other amount?

I know you were just throwing out numbers, but who in their right mind would trade an MVP weapon for the equivalent of 2 boomerangs? XD

Or you could trade a few MPV coins, buy a lightsaber or Flak Cannon and make 200-300k?
Well more than a few, but at 50EC per MVP would take 9 to get a Flak 10 Lightsaber. lol

No.
No.
Stop it.

Okay, was just an idea, but whatever.

Okay, so can we do the not so stupid thing and make them tradeable already?

After a poll on making MVP weapons trade-able vs not trade-able. Trade-able came out victorious, by a long shot. Now Amsel is saying that by making them trade-able would destroy the server and that it would make a few people rich. My argument against that is, so what? They didn't care when they brought out aug and smgpk (which is worth more money than any mvp weapon btw). So how can they use this excuse against us? Not to mention we earned the weapons so we can sell them for whatever price we desire. Who are they to tell us how much we can sell our weapons for.

He then went on to say that only a few people win MVP weapons and then said they're easy to get, contradicting himself yet again. THEN went on to say mercenary (the gang i created) all those guys have lots of mvp coins but not long ago ("only a few people win mvp coins") lol im super confused he keeps changing his story but anyways.

The more mvp guns are bought, the value of the gun decreases. So what is the problem here? lol

I was suppose to say more about this but im low on time and will discuss it further as Amsel is coming on to say his side of the story...

but ill summon it up really quick...

They can bring out EC guns, make them tradeable (worth more money than mvps) more people have EC's and a lot of people becoming rich over it (not a care in the world).

MVP coins (harder to win/less coins than EC's).. (less value than Aug/smgpk) but would damage server if switched to tradeable.. Sorry no, you got this wrong here.

If you earn something on era, you should have the right to sell it. Just look at your poll results, that's summons it all up.

I'll reply later.

So, we just had a long discussion on client, and KoHo said "we should open this up to the forums." I suggested that I would make a post explaining the poll results and what they mean. He instead decided to post a bunch of hear-say that vaguely touches on maybe 1 or 2 of the things brought up in our conversation.

Anyways, I propose this thread be closed as a result. I will open an official thread with the actual poll results and what they mean either later today or tomorrow morning (I am on vacation irl from last Wednesday until this coming Wednesday so I don't have a lot of playing time). Please wait for the official update before deciding that we disregard all player opinions all the time by not doing everything KoHo says the minute he says it.

Although I agree with Amsel's opinions on most things, if he is against making the MVP weapons trade-able, I'm going to have to disagree with him.

Amsel has a great point when saying; Those weapons are beyond a price tag. It will make certain players insanely rich, if they aren't already.

I do believe this though; Players who are of high skill and have acquired a set of MVP weapons; William, Corey and whoever else might have happened to have snagged a few are above price.

These are the Elites and the Elites who have a large sum of MVP weapons, e.g William, won't sell them, regardless if it was for an outrageous price putting him well within the richest player.

In all honesty, when making them trade-able I see the following happening; People working a LOT harder to obtain MVP coins, some of those people selling their weapon and the elites with a large sum of them just letting their friends use them.

I've always considered William the richest because let's face it, he is the best player and owning every gun, every item, every possible advantage isn't enough to beat him in a one on one battle. Now he will just have a bunch of 1 million dollar guns he can throw around to his friends and everyone else who has them will just sell them while they're selling for a ton, the end result will be all the guns not buyable through plain cash in a store "No pawn price" will just be a solid 1mil.

The thing is, we have plans to potentially make them tradable, we just think there needs to be some changes that go alongside it. We were planning on opening discussion after the poll results came out, and we told all of this to KoHo, including the fact that we want to make them tradable but it will take time. Why he chose to derail this discussion into a flame war is beyond me.

What Amsel really means is... He lost the battle on keeping them trade-able so instead, he will go away and make them useless. After us using blood, sweat & tears to get these weapons.

What other changes could it possibly be? There is no other changes that can be done apart from that. lol

EC weapons are tradeable and sell for 1m+ and have better stats than MVP weapons. What the hell is the big problem? Why the long discussions? Why do changes need to be made? Why do you need to go away and think about it, why does it need to take time?

I'm laughing because of how serious you're taking this and it's not a big issue at all. The players want them trade-able, the players earned these weapons. No money coming out of economy. Server not getting ruined, players are happy. WTF is the problem?

Smh!!

Between the first 3 people from the old Mercenary gang who I thought to check, there were 47 saved up MVP coins. Compare that to any other players and you'll see the problem with suddenly making them trade-able with everything else the same.

Name them please? and between 3 people, that's 15 mvp coins each. So what? i don't understand your point here. Go away and count how many people have EC's....!? And you really don't understand value of guns and how they work. The more guns bought the more the value decreases. So this would only be a good thing for you, not a bad thing!?

Corey had a ton of ECs saved, bought an Aug and made a nice penny off of me. I'm not really seeing the difference on this one.

Merc were full of the top elite players, hence why they reigned the server for such a long time. It's like throwing a bunch of disabled kids into a UFC fight. They're bound to have a bunch of MVPs, just like they have a ton of ECs for getting 5+ per week. I got 20 ECs one week from LC not long ago.

Merc obtained these coins legitimately and with team work to boost each other to get MVP weapons, I don't see why that's a problem :confused:

Anyway, these guns are fit into the "God Tier" so releasing them really isn't that big of a drama, I mean, they are basically the same as the EC items.

The main difference to me is that everyone has and can easily get ec coins. Even new players can win chance and races. With MVP coins, it's consistently the same small group of people winning endless amounts of them. It's like an exclusive stream of rare guns to people who are already the best and most well equipped pkers on the server. If MVP guns are going to be trade-able, I think MVP coins need to take a step more in te direction of ec coins. Maybe that means more strategy based gang events, or just more gang events during the week in general. That's the part we still need to discuss, which I would have liked to have brought up in a professional manner along with the poll results.

Which were about 76/24 in favor of tradable if I remember correctly (posting from my phone).

Completely agree.

I had an idea not long ago that the top gang should get it's original 5 ec but the top 3 for that week (in the gang that won) got 1 MVP coin and if you happened to be the top of all gangs that week you seemingly got 2.

That definitely will push more gang activity.

Double post again;

The idea of giving the top 3 of the winning gang an MVP coin would go REALLY well with the draft system too.

Gangs are open to anyone. Spar complex is open to anyone. If they players want to argue about it, they can't. The players who win them are the ones who deserve them. They put the endless work in to improve as a player. They worked hard and are the ones keeping your gang system alive and keeping pking alive. You want to take away their rewards by not letting them have the freedom of choice with their weapons?

MVP's are given out to ironman events.. (Open to anyone)
MVP's are given out to top gang raides (nothing stopping noobs join era police and raid endlessy to get the most points, i mean it's not skill their, it's just who has the most time to raid and get as much points as they can).

And i don't think it's fair to say such a small group of 3-4 players, insane to say that.

Lemme give you a list of players who can win mvps and do have mvps.

Me
Willsoul
smoke
corey
angla
skyler
godzilla
logababy
church
nashin
jesse
joker
mike
zelus
ramsfan
sabotage
joe
anfo
swift
cyclone
kareem
cosmo
ish
sed
raz
shadow
riley
mesh
higherpower
dusk
josh
requin

the list is endless of people who is well capable of being MVP and people who have MVP coins lol stop with this "small group"... this is a big group an that's only half of who i could of said.