Era Biz
 

So what's the point in having any biz player ran, if you aren't suppose to make money?

You should only be able to make money for what you actually produce. Just because your the owner shouldn't mean you get all the money regardless of whether its taxed.

I didn't get all the money, I had to pay my workers just like anyone else did

Also, you owned a company that had a product that costed nothing to make. You lost no money where others would actually have to pay for lead, items from a store, and so forth.

Taxation would not have sufficiently solved the problem that you were making a pure 100% profit.

In reality, my new plan will make it more interactive, and if all things go as planned, a new job for all Erians to enjoy doing.

how wouldn't taxation solve the problem?!

Why are we going to have two buildings that have the same drinks and have both of them ran by NPCs?

Also, Tim, if you look at other food businesses on Era right now, they're pretty much the same. What was the difference with GRC? :oo:

and how does the other food biz work? they don't get 100% profit? because I'm PRETTY DAMN SURE THEY DO

Taxation would not have solved the problem because the profit you were making was still 100% pure profit. You put no money into your business and a tax would just take away a percentage of what you made "raw".

In reality, your business was unfair to all of the other businesses. I also firmly believe that your business should have never been made NPC, which, for whatever reason, Alfonso decided to undo and make an entirely new industry when the economy is already in bad shape.

So wait you're saying that DD and DH don't have 100% "raw" profit because they for sure don't have to pay for any thing like lead and don't tell me i'm wrong because i know for a fact you can make everything "for free"

And where does this leave Era Cafe? I have asked for months that "Stocking lead" be made for the other businesses like AM, GP and PT yet no one ever listened to a damn thing or blew me off saying "yea yea good idea"... What the hell is going on with Era?

DD and DH are being taxed with items that cost 1-15 dollars.

You have a drink that is worth 30 - 150 dollar drinks without taxation. You might argue that we can lower the price and tax, however, a more utilitarian approach would be to remove GRC, which would be better for the economy to eliminate another cash cow that could cause further issues.

Yeah but you have no reason to just take it away from me. Put the ****ing taxation on till u have an actual reason to take it away from me this is bull ****.

Reese, this was an economic decision, not a personal one.

No it's a horrible decision made by influenced staff that abuse their ranks

Ammo biz's are the ones that make the most money on era every week if u wanna make a stupid "econ decision" then make NPC ran you dumb **** not a stupid drink place that makes less that 20k a week

Oki, so what about PPA... Really guys? Is it true PPA was USD'd? Coz srsly, there is no other reason for it... It's failed numerous of times in the past why is it back?
Why are so many businesses handed out yet Era Cafe you have to apply for? Reese was given GRC due to him getting screwed over by a PWA asking for favors in order to keep an inactive owner in place... Let's get this all out on the table...
Era players have been suffering abuse, corruption, arrogance for far to long... If ppl are going to get kicked out of their businesses while others are making the same *raw* profits... I call bull****!

You really don't know how lucky you are, with them picking Tim instead of me.

They weren't getting the full money $30-$150 though. Items are taxed by default, they were getting around $13 for every $30 drink like any other business would. Look at PyroTech, they rack up SO much money because they're the ONLY business who sells explosives. Why do you get all annoyed over GreenRoads Cafe all of the sudden?

Also, I didn't see any announcement by the Business Administrator. Does he not have a say in this? I thought there was a reason why we had a complete administration team. :oo:

Reese why are you crying? You've gotten ownership of two businesses scot free in the past year without doing anything but logging on. Why don't you just go get banned for macroing a third time bro? Seems to be all you do.

Tim's decision is in best interest of Era the way I see it, there should be no raw profit produced to the extent of $150 per item. Especially when a unfit (as shown by these multiple threads) owner gets control over the market without any sacrifice or payment.

And in my honest opinion, GRC should've stayed NPC ran (was working perfectly fine) and PPA shouldn't have been revived. I do however appreciate how Alfonso's friends were granted ownership of these last minute changes before he quit... hrm?

Tig, just close this one too.

Edit:
Quote of the year; coming in so late.

You really have no idea what you're talk about about Rogue I'm not even smart enough to make a macro for a regular ammo stocker let alone something for GRC, I can't even script a lvl. The reason I got a biz goes back to when I got AM and I was rightfully given AM bc I was the one doing most of the work over the inactive other manager. Then when I was hired as PR I had to give it up. Then when I got fired from PR for nothing they changed the rules so staff could own a biz so out of being screwed out of AM. I was given GP bc the same reason, and then Gabe had to use his staff powers so his brother would keep the biz. So I was given GRC because of Gabe getting GP back for his brother

^ Exactly my point! So let me start, Reese becomes PR, Gets fired, Becomes GP owner, Gets fired, Becomes owner of GRC and quess what guys? Gets fired. You say it wasnt personal Tim? Well i just dont know. I started making GRC levels tonight for Reese, i spent 2 hours making them then he gets fired >_<

So why was he fired from GRC? Well, they say he was making 2 much money and 100% profit? Why couldn't it be made taxable? Like every other business? Why couldn't it be balanced out? Im sure there was a solution or was it just the easy way out by firing him?

When i got DH and this is being honest, the business made 70-80k in the first 2 weeks, if you dont beleive me, ask zach or if theres a way to check, then check? If Reese was making 2 much money then how come i wasnt? GRC wouldn't of kepted making much money it dies down after awhile. You added the new drinks Tim, why where they even made $150? Why where they even added? Reese is the owner of the business? Did he even want them added? Surely if you own a business you can decide if you want them in your business or not? Or was it just that you have the power to do anything you want so you just do it anyway? Why couldn't they just have been made EC items? We need new EC items not new GRC items.

Like i said, there was other solutions to the problem to me it was just an easy way out by firing him.

Rogue, if I'm not mistaking, you made forum threads about things you found unfair as well - Reese is doing the same thing, why are you complaining?

Regardless of how much they are taxed, that still doesn't answer the root of my argument that they are making 100% profits regardless of the taxes, which was addressed in earlier posts.

Your plan to make GRC player-ran was a poor decision for the following two reasons:

1) You are permitting an industry to make profit without the product costing anything to make.

2) You are creating more economic disarray by allowing this player-ran business as stated in my earlier points.

My business plan makes GRC and Era Cafe interactive to all the players and, as of nowe, six dollars per drink when they are made.

All I see here is *excuse, cry, gimme free biz*.

Go macro.

Sounds much fairer than the whole "Convert working business to player ran, insert friend owner, gg increase prices".

Let's do that.

Oh and you should prob do something about Era Hotel then too, because they don't even have to work and they make 100% profit they sit behind a ****ing desk!

Rogue you cry more than anyone on this forum........ just quit era, go outside for once

Ahh yes... Just shut the players up who have an actual opinion about the ****ty way players of Era are being treated by abusive, abrasive, selfish staff... I like Tim imo he's a damn good scriptor, active enough to set ya watch by his logins per day and generally listens to players... I don't like how unfair this seems however... Ripping an owner out of the business he has dedicated his time and energy to because he made to much? Has staff actually been over to DD lately? "Raw" is the name of the game! DH? I have seen half the staff list at DH lately yet don't see Koho business-less...

btw AM was promised new levels months ago, we've seen one new lvl... Yet you're willing to completely close a business due to not taxing it properly or to your satisfaction?

Lol? Look at this thread bro, it's pretty darn pathetic that you're crying over something you paid nothing for being taken away because it's blatantly 'overpowered'. (for lack of a better word)

You've posted like 5 times and said the same thing every time.

Ok, we know you're protecting Reese, you probably worked at GRC or something.
But there's a new management in town, you can't call them out on the same old tricks. Alfonso's final decisions were just as bad as all his others, GRC shouldn't have been revived and neither should have PPA.

Tim's first decisions are actually supported by legitimate and logical reasoning. Just because one player is negatively effected (How? It was given to him randomly, that was a punch in the nads to ~100 other active players with the same credentials) doesn't mean it is a bad decision.
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You talk about abusive or selfish... this approach is to appease the masses of Era. Which sounds more abusive?:

-Allowing any player to participate in a NPC Ran Business that will never again need to be touched by staff/GBA or altered.
or
-Giving a friend a pure profit businesses with increased prices and having no logical reason or cause behind the motive. *This approach also involves staff converting multiple things (when infinite more important things need to be taken care of), and GBA monitoring/intervention every few months.

@AM: Creating levels takes an actual levels team, and staff effort... closing a business takes seconds.

... and ... ok... its... totally... fair... like... really, get over it.

She didn't work at GRC btw

Rogue, You do more crying than anybody ive came across. You act like your better than everybody else, you talk 2 much. Looking forward to your reply, all your big fancy words that you research before you reply or is your father doing all this replying for you? lol On era you talk the biggest amount of trash. Just shutup and beat it.

You know there is a topic being discussed here right? If you have a problem then PM me, I'll be glad to privately tutor you.

That's highly irrelevant.

you said the part of her working at GRC so i was just "privately tutoring" you

I made a common assumption that was unrelated to my actual response.

Yeah then maybe u should just shut up about the whole thing, since you seem to know nothing

Okay back to the main point of this thread, If you want to take away a biz for making raw money or to much money, then you're pointing at every biz in era.......... Gun biz make a lot of money every week, and food/era hotel n ppa make "raw" money which Tim says is bad. So what is the plan about the other bizes?

Ok so.

Era Hotel:
The staff get paid for every room they rent, the rental fee isn't very high, there's a limited X amount of rooms to rent, and they can only be rented at a certain rate (X per day).
This was all balanced out pretty much, there isn't much a problem with Era Hotel other than that it's A. A monopoly and B. like 4 different themed levels.

Food Businessess (DH and DD):
The rate at which you stock is balanced with that of doing other jobs like shoveling and such. There are taxes on all the items, and there is also a spoilage rate on the products in stock, the profit margin for this is pretty darn crappy being that there are three food businesses. Honestly, Koho would be better off (Money Wise) mining in a few hours than a week of DH profits.

Gun Shops (GP and AM):
These require minerals which are mined and paid for, then you pay for the stocks. Add into this the fact there's two of them with identical items for sale, and the tax rates... they are fairly modest and balanced as far as profits go.

PT:
I don't even think people use explosives since they were nerfed, I don't even know who owns PT anymore.

Now the problems with these new Drink Shops (EC and GRC):
-Each one has monopolized products, making them separate entities.
-Both have a simple stocking process to that of Food Business, but the products sell for 3x to as much as 100x the price. (2$ donut, 200$ drink).
-The tax and spoilage system would have to be balanced for both.
-Two more businesses to monitor for GBA (Honestly, they can't even do that now).
-A bunch of other work and problems not needed by the new management and given current progress of Dev updates.
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tl;dr: The other biz have been balanced and worked out through the years, making these new shops player run would add a boatload of problems and extra work for the fresh management that already has it's plate full. They're still recognizable as a progressive update, but they don't need to be tinkered or altered once established. -It's for the best.-

All other points were logical, however from owning GP I can say, as the owner of GP or AM you could do NO work and still make 15-30k a week in profit, depending on sales pretty easily.

No work does translate to hiring all those employees, monitoring them, making sure there are minerals; and that the miners mine and the stockers stock.
Gun businesses aren't as two-dimensional as the Food shops, you kinda have to login and do stuff, even though it doesn't translate to actual work.

Meh... plus your personal experience lies with you, Van, and Reece leading the business. Pretty optimal.

This is still pretty irrelevant (I'm overusing that word today) based on the topic of discussion, since gun shops are the non 'raw' production businesses. I was just outlining in detail why Reese should stop posting :3.

I totally agree with you guys there is no need for another cash cow on Era, giving a business to some person on era only adds another rich person to the list, that is all.

However, you cant just give someone a business and 2 days later take it away from him. ..