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Hiro 03-17-2010 03:57 AM

backdraft's new management plan
 
What, exactly, is going to be different with our new management? what can we expect to see in the following year-or-so that we can be happy about? i'll wait for backdraft himself to answer these questions (though i doubt he gives a look to these forums frequently enough for a quick response)

Rufus 03-17-2010 03:58 AM

Give him some time, it has only been a few hours lol.

Elizabeth 03-17-2010 04:11 AM

I'd also like to hear the game plan. :)

Grey 03-17-2010 05:05 AM

I think the moral of the story was don't make promises.

James 03-17-2010 05:36 AM

mcdonalds plz

Absolut_Crono 03-17-2010 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Grey (Post 1563111)
I think the moral of the story was don't make promises.

This pretty much sums it up.

Don't say anything to anyone BD!

Fulg0reSama 03-17-2010 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1563085)
Give him some time, it has only been a few hours lol.

Agreeing with Rufus, I'll be surprised to see him have a whole plan created within this time lol. Hell ill be surprised if its shown within three days.

Sam 03-17-2010 04:18 PM

Feel free to make suggestions what you expect from the new management, but don't make someone looking bad or put pressure on somebody before he started to be familiar with his job.

ffcmike 03-17-2010 08:03 PM

While i've never played UN or couldn't possibly comment on whether Streety's removal is justified or if Backdraft is somebody who can get the server going in a better direction, it's interesting that when PWA explored the possibility of a management change with Classic about a year ago multiple members of PWA questioned myself, Master Storm, DarkCloud, the FAQ + GP + Events + assistant Dev Admin, going over what we'd do in the event of such and such option occuring, and what our individual plan would be in the event of becoming Manager.

Hiro 03-17-2010 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama (Post 1563187)
Agreeing with Rufus, I'll be surprised to see him have a whole plan created within this time lol. Hell ill be surprised if its shown within three days.

well a lot of complaints from streetys-manager era are still valid, so i would figure he could at least plan to fix all the updating problems we've seen already. whether or not all projects are still going to be worked on or not would also be nice to hear about. i wouldn't be surprised if some discussions about new content hasn't already crossed backdraft's eyes before the change in management that he and other staff were enthusiastic about

in short, i'm sure there is quite a bit he could easily post about

jorollychu 03-17-2010 11:37 PM

I just dont understand why I wasn't even approached as a possible replacement for SwimChao.

Okilian 03-18-2010 08:30 AM

I think it would be more appropriate to list things we'd like to see improved.

I for one am a quest person. I feel the quests need to be revamped. I suggested to Backdraft and he states that adding some more isn't a bad idea.

Imperialistic 03-18-2010 11:34 AM

Quests will take anywhere from 2 - 48 hours to complete all of them..

....then what?

Luda 03-18-2010 12:08 PM

An actual storyline would be great

Fulg0reSama 03-18-2010 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiro (Post 1563262)
well a lot of complaints from streetys-manager era are still valid, so i would figure he could at least plan to fix all the updating problems we've seen already. whether or not all projects are still going to be worked on or not would also be nice to hear about. i wouldn't be surprised if some discussions about new content hasn't already crossed backdraft's eyes before the change in management that he and other staff were enthusiastic about

in short, i'm sure there is quite a bit he could easily post about

Maybe so but he's just getting in the chair, would you expect to be hammered with this all at once? Sure brainstorming is one thing but to have a full solid plan is not to be expected.

Hiro 03-18-2010 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama (Post 1563341)
Maybe so but he's just getting in the chair, would you expect to be hammered with this all at once? Sure brainstorming is one thing but to have a full solid plan is not to be expected.

i would fully expect to be hammered with all of this at once from day 1

Vima 03-18-2010 04:45 PM

I think you need to start from scratch and totally remake Unholy Nation, mostly levelwise. Then make the server more newbie friendly, change the quests and add something original.

Cubical 03-18-2010 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Vima (Post 1563356)
I think you need to start from scratch and totally remake Unholy Nation, mostly levelwise. Then make the server more newbie friendly, change the quests and add something original.

Quite a few of Unholy Nations levels make my eyes bleed ;[

FuManchu 03-18-2010 07:09 PM

UN is so ugly because most of the LATs go with the now-generic red tile patterns instead of doing something unique.

Okilian 03-18-2010 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Imperialistic (Post 1563337)
Quests will take anywhere from 2 - 48 hours to complete all of them..

....then what?

Then you add various other things. I just started the ball rolling on ideas.

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Originally Posted by Vima (Post 1563356)
I think you need to start from scratch and totally remake Unholy Nation, mostly levelwise. Then make the server more newbie friendly, change the quests and add something original.

I think by changing around UN's levels too much you take away from what is UN. Each server that is classic has it's own feel for it. Like it or not, UN has a style that isn't Era or Npulse or even Classic.

I do agree some levels need a bit of patching up, but revamping them all...not so much.

Imperialistic 03-18-2010 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Vima (Post 1563356)
I think you need to start from scratch and totally remake Unholy Nation, mostly levelwise. Then make the server more newbie friendly, change the quests and add something original.

I definitely agree 100%.

MysticX2X 03-18-2010 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Okilian (Post 1563382)
I think by changing around UN's levels too much you take away from what is UN. Each server that is classic has it's own feel for it. Like it or not, UN has a style that isn't Era or Npulse or even Classic.

I do agree some levels need a bit of patching up, but revamping them all...not so much.

Most of the old Unholy Nation levels prior to the reset are long gone, and replaced with newer and newer levels (even the playerhouses). The only towns which remain relatively the same as they used to be are delta, towncenter, and trent.

I've suggested before a possible makeover of the overworld but then I also thought it wouldn't be too plausible with UN at the moment. Reconstruction of certain towns/forests would be a plus.

Okilian 03-18-2010 08:06 PM

I think a thing that should be done more than the OW is the insides of levels. Some of them are for people not around any more.

I'll probably post my idea on the UN Forum itself. Something that was in the works but stopped.

Fulg0reSama 03-18-2010 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiro (Post 1563350)
i would fully expect to be hammered with all of this at once from day 1

Yeah I should have said it differently.

Okay he's just getting into the position but would you expect to have a plan COMPLETELY devised? Now just don't say yes so it seems like I'm mistaken but I know just about everyone in this thread would say no.

Okilian 03-18-2010 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama (Post 1563394)
Yeah I should have said it differently.

Okay he's just getting into the position but would you expect to have a plan COMPLETELY devised? Now just don't say yes so it seems like I'm mistaken but I know just about everyone in this thread would say no.

Though in talking to him, he has a plan in the works. Seems to want to do some good tasks.

And I think supporting him, telling him what we would like to see is a great plan. If you log onto UN and go to those forums, I am starting some discussions about what I think would be great to see.

Vima 03-18-2010 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Okilian (Post 1563382)
I think by changing around UN's levels too much you take away from what is UN. Each server that is classic has it's own feel for it. Like it or not, UN has a style that isn't Era or Npulse or even Classic.

I do agree some levels need a bit of patching up, but revamping them all...not so much.

Yes, but what IS UN? What is it Style? Unholy Nation has lost it identity many years ago. I think a lot of people are sick and tired and want something new and fresh, out with the old in with the new. The only people who don't want to change it because they want to keep the so called "UN Spirit" are you and the other previous managers/oldbies who never play there anymore either. As long as nothing major is going to happen, people wont notice the small additions. New events added, Pet System, Paintball Game etc etc. These "new" things will die after a week.
Like it or not - that's how it is.

Imperialistic 03-18-2010 09:09 PM

Vima is right, you have to look for the long-term effect on the server.

fowlplay4 03-18-2010 09:28 PM

Well if Backdraft doesn't make Obama-style change to the server you can expect him to follow the same route as Streety.

MysticX2X 03-18-2010 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vima (Post 1563401)
Yes, but what IS UN? What is it Style? Unholy Nation has lost it identity many years ago. I think a lot of people are sick and tired and want something new and fresh, out with the old in with the new. The only people who don't want to change it because they want to keep the so called "UN Spirit" are you and the other previous managers/oldbies who never play there anymore either. As long as nothing major is going to happen, people wont notice the small additions. New events added, Pet System, Paintball Game etc etc. These "new" things will die after a week.
Like it or not - that's how it is.

If that is so, you might as well not call it Unholy Nation.

Bell 03-18-2010 10:48 PM

UN has always been a conglomeration of whatever players want to see. That IS their style. While I completely agree that UN has reached a point its become a mess, I don't think changing its tiling style is going to make a bit of difference overall. Downsizing it some. Fixing broken scripts, removing abusive tools and useless weapons wouldn't hurt. Converting to gs2 would be a major undertaking and really is a necessity but the server has now been uploaded to dev so the team should be able to address some of these issues without interrupting main too badly.

Okilian 03-19-2010 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bell (Post 1563426)
UN has always been a conglomeration of whatever players want to see. That IS their style. While I completely agree that UN has reached a point its become a mess, I don't think changing its tiling style is going to make a bit of difference overall. Downsizing it some. Fixing broken scripts, removing abusive tools and useless weapons wouldn't hurt. Converting to gs2 would be a major undertaking and really is a necessity but the server has now been uploaded to dev so the team should be able to address some of these issues without interrupting main too badly.

I agree completely. UN was never meant to be anything specific. I mean, if you go on, we have cars with guns with swords with so many things. Many people enjoy that fact.

Do I think UN's perfect? No, not at all. I've been saying for a long time things need to be fixed. A new OW? Not needed. They did it once only recently, so why just do it again?

There are fixes that need to be addressed as Bell says, I just don't think pretty tiles is that.

MysticX2X 03-19-2010 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Okilian (Post 1563499)
I agree completely. UN was never meant to be anything specific. I mean, if you go on, we have cars with guns with swords with so many things. Many people enjoy that fact.

Do I think UN's perfect? No, not at all. I've been saying for a long time things need to be fixed. A new OW? Not needed. They did it once only recently, so why just do it again?

There are fixes that need to be addressed as Bell says, I just don't think pretty tiles is that.

Maybe not a brand new overworld, but cleaning it up and condensing it sure would be a plus.

Hiro 04-01-2010 06:09 AM

so it's been a couple of weeks, and no response. boy, i'm so glad we got a new manager who doesn't tell us jack

Liberated 04-01-2010 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiro (Post 1566375)
so it's been a couple of weeks, and no response. boy, i'm so glad we got a new manager who doesn't tell us jack

Even tho i've feel you've taken a grudge against backdraft cuz he replaced streety, i must agree, a forum active manager would be nice.

Okilian 04-01-2010 08:34 AM

He's more apt to post on UN's forum in game. I've seen him post a few times.

Even better, talk to him. He's working on quite a bit.

Crono 04-01-2010 09:52 AM

un has to figure out what it is before it can "fix" itself

people are throwing the word economy left and right without realizing that this server wasn't intended to have one. not only that but the events system itself has spawned it's own currency which is never really good. =/

MysticX2X 04-01-2010 11:16 AM

UN used to be pretty economy centered when there wasnt a **** ton of hats and ridiculous NPC's.

Crono 04-01-2010 11:47 AM

how

Fulg0reSama 04-01-2010 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1566428)
how

Seriously. No economy back when I played. DEFINITELY AS HELL NOT MUCH OF ONE NOW.

Hiro 04-01-2010 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberated (Post 1566399)
Even tho i've feel you've taken a grudge against backdraft cuz he replaced streety, i must agree, a forum active manager would be nice.

it's nothing personal, BD is a good guy. but yes, an active forum manager would be great, as i have reason to believe that streety would have already made a response to this type of thread

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Originally Posted by Okilian (Post 1566406)
He's more apt to post on UN's forum in game. I've seen him post a few times.

Even better, talk to him. He's working on quite a bit.

that's missing the point. i don't post on the in-game forums, so how does his posting there help me at all? i, and anyone else who is interested, shouldn't have to personally ask him when he's capable of posting about it for the world to view


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