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Sinkler 08-07-2012 10:58 AM
Managerial Changes
 
Hello,

I would like to report that there has been a managerial change made today by the Playerworld Administration. The PWA evaluated the now former manager, fowlplay4, and came to an unanimous decision to take action.

In the mean time, the PWA will manage Zodiac’s day-to-day activities interim until a more suitable replacement is found.

Xor retired his Co-Managerial position after assisting the PWA with the transition.

Please direct any questions to [email protected].

NicoX 08-07-2012 11:30 AM
Okay sounds legit, but what does Xor has to do with that, I didnt get that.

Crono 08-07-2012 12:43 PM
This is not acceptable and the voices of anyone that gives a damn is silenced, so to hell with it, not even going to bother with this on a public forum. The PWA is a joke and is run by one biased family/group of friends, I'll leave it at that.

This is the single biggest blunder of a PWA intervention I have ever seen in my 12 years on Graal.

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Originally Posted by NicoX (Post 1701160)
Okay sounds legit, but what does Xor has to do with that, I didnt get that.
Ok I got some clarification, Xor was removed from his Zodiac position. He hasn't been PWA for a year now.

NicoX 08-07-2012 01:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1701161)
This is not acceptable and the voices of anyone that gives a damn is silenced, so to hell with it, not even going to bother with this on a public forum. The PWA is a joke and is run by one biased family/group of friends, I'll leave it at that.

This is the single biggest blunder of a PWA intervention I have ever seen in my 12 years on Graal.



Since Xor isn't listed as a PWA, my guess is that he was the co-manager of the PWA and resigned after voting against this.
The Co-Manager of the PWA? Huh? I dont get it haha

Cubical 08-07-2012 01:33 PM
Triga 4 manger

cbk1994 08-07-2012 01:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1701161)
This is not acceptable and the voices of anyone that gives a damn is silenced, so to hell with it, not even going to bother with this on a public forum. The PWA is a joke and is run by one biased family/group of friends, I'll leave it at that.

This is the single biggest blunder of a PWA intervention I have ever seen in my 12 years on Graal.
I'm in complete agreement here. The PWA seems to have become a machine used to practice personal vendettas. It's a shame that they won't take any feedback from players (on anything) and instead will probably delete these posts and close the thread, maybe issuing infractions or something.

I'd really like to know what Jer did to warrant his removal. It must have been pretty drastic, because the PWA I know is extremely conservative and won't take action unless the manager is doing something that is directly detrimental to the server (right Tig?). Does the PWA actually think they can manage the server better than Jer did?

I don't doubt the PWA had grand reasons for taking action. Maybe if they'd explain these to us peasants, we'd be more understanding or even accepting.

Crono 08-07-2012 01:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1701168)
I'm in complete agreement here. The PWA seems to have become a machine used to practice personal vendettas. It's a shame that they won't take any feedback from players (on anything) and instead will probably delete these posts and close the thread, maybe issuing infractions or something.

I'd really like to know what Jer did to warrant his removal. It must have been pretty drastic, because the PWA I know is extremely conservative and won't take action unless the manager is doing something that is directly detrimental to the server (right Tig?). Does the PWA actually think they can manage the server better than Jer did?

I don't doubt the PWA had grand reasons for taking action. Maybe if they'd explain these to us peasants, we'd be more understanding or even accepting.
The issue with Xor is the only part I'm uncertain about, the rest I think I know pretty clearly. I've been part of Zodiac's staff team (sometimes on and off) since 2007 and have played the server since 2006. fowlplay4 has been the backbone of the server for a long time now and I have never seen him do anything questionable. During Era's scandal with yourself and the PWA, I even joked on our RC about us spawning items "for the lulz" but FP was strictly against that, even though I was clearly only joking about it.

The real issue here is a bit of a personal one (normally I don't mind informing the public but this was strictly an RC/staff issue) however I can say that it's no where near that drastic and is incredibly personal between the PWA and FP. Furthemore the PWA was never this "close" in the past. PWA used to clash and debate rather than be one single family (Vimes).

I am glad you agree though, Chris, much respect given the past and all.

Tenchry_P2P 08-07-2012 01:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1701171)
The real issue here is a bit of a personal one (normally I don't mind informing the public but this was strictly an RC/staff issue).

Pretty public by it being on the forums now soo..

TheDae 08-07-2012 01:57 PM
As a loyal player and staff member on Zodiac I can say that fp4 has been great for zodiac, I don't think he did very much wrong he was very quick to fix any problems with Zodiac and there were regular updates to Classes and new skills added. As for managing his staff he did an exceptional job at it at and was always so professional so from me there's nothing but praise for him and its truly saddening to see him go.

Crono 08-07-2012 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenchry_P2P (Post 1701174)
Pretty public by it being on the forums now soo..
I never revealed the private bit and probably won't in public.

Tenchry_P2P 08-07-2012 02:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1701176)
I never revealed the private bit and probably won't in public.
well surely there should be some explanation by the PWA's as to why he was removed and i'd like to see one :D

WanDaMan 08-07-2012 02:25 PM
This isn't the first personal attack against a manager of a successful playerworld.

Hell, me and my brother used to be public enemy #1 with Tig and probably still are.

You guys need to focus on more serious problems and start acting on the fact we only have 4 playerworlds open to the public let's not make it 3.

Tenchry_P2P 08-07-2012 02:31 PM
pretty sure everyone want's a little description of what went down :D tldr version would be great like 'we fired him becauseeee..'

Crow 08-07-2012 02:43 PM
Without fp4, Zodiac will go down the drain.

xXziroXx 08-07-2012 02:44 PM
Wow. I thought Houdini was bad. This is definitely the biggest PWA blunder in all of Graal's history.

Crow 08-07-2012 02:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by xXziroXx (Post 1701181)
Wow. I thought Houdini was bad. This is definitely the biggest PWA blunder in all of Graal's history.
Heh, Houdini wasn't even bad as a person. I only noticed that after he left the PWA though. This, though...

Starfire2001 08-07-2012 03:00 PM
Absolut_Crono was allowed to manage UN into the ground for nearly two years, never doing anything at all and causing useful staff members to step down/quit the server entirely out of frustration. Despite constant player and staff complains sent to the PWA, they refused to remove him, as they didn't want to take such a large step. So I'm also curious to hear what could possibly be the reason for them now to step in and remove a manager who was seemingly well respected and doing a good job.

Tenchry_P2P 08-07-2012 04:03 PM
We want the truth, Seriously

Crono 08-07-2012 05:04 PM
With fowlplay4's permission I am allowed (by Graal rules) to post this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by fowlplay4
Only a couple recent things come to mind why I've been removed:

1. My recent forum activity.

2. I reset Triple_Combo and didn't make a reasonable attempt to restore the account (I did email Stefan). I was honestly waiting until they told me to do it, to restore the items of which I would have done. Triple_Combo has a ridiculous history of USDing though and I can't believe they wouldn't accept the evidence (no logs from GK though :( ) we presented and the fact so many people can attest to it, but fine.

I think it's silly that they removed me from Manager for that, so now I'm hoping we can open a dialogue with the PWA and get me re-added.

If you would like to show your support (please include positive or negative experiences of support you've had from me) for me feel free to email:

[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

Also you can post on their official thread here:

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...hp?t=134266942

Please use my account name in the subject so they can filter the emails properly, don't need those emails messing up their support ones.
The first point included a discussion on his forum ban here. That is not up for discussion, so don't bring it up.

ffcmike 08-07-2012 05:11 PM
Without being aware of the reason(s) and therefore attempting to judge the decision, I find this incredibly surprising. Looking at the other servers on the PlayerWorlds tab, there is not one manager who comes close to comparing with Jerret when it comes to knowledge, reliability and having held a long stable tenure, and this is something Bell has said to be quite proud of playing a role in the appointment. I hope this decision isn't a knee-jerk reaction, especially given the fact Managers who bring nothing to the table have remained in place throughout the past.

Edit: Having seen Crono's post, it does seem strange that no explanation was provided by Sinkler.

smirt362 08-07-2012 05:12 PM
Absolute bull **** move. I have never worked with a better manager, he actually cared.

Rufus 08-07-2012 05:19 PM
I guess this means he's more available to help out Classic iPhone where you tarts can't flaunt your powers. Every cloud and all that.

Tenchry_P2P 08-07-2012 05:21 PM
Pure bullshit, Triple_combo got banned before on zod + sinkler removed a GPs rights due to it.

This PWA named Sinkler is the pure definition of being Bias



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Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1701192)
I guess this means he's more available to help out Classic iPhone where you tarts can't flaunt your powers. Every cloud and all that.

he flauts his power? LOL

smirt362 08-07-2012 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Tenchry_P2P (Post 1701193)
he flauts his power? LOL
He was talking about the graal administration, not Jerret.

Eskimo 08-07-2012 05:24 PM
This is rediculous. I can't think of a time when fp4 did something that negatively affected Zodiac. He's a GREAT manager.
For anyone who thinks I may be biased as a Zodiac player, that is not the case. An old trial account of mine is permanently banned on Zodiac, and it was banned personally by fp4. This was not a wrong decision by him, however, and I have nothing but respect for him. I'd rather not discuss the reasons for the ban on the forums, but if fp4 had even done the smallest thing to deserve this, don't you think people like me, with an account permanently banned by him, would be the ones supporting this decision? I only see people supporting HIM.
Where's YOUR support PWA?

Tenchry_P2P 08-07-2012 05:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smirt362 (Post 1701194)
He was talking about the graal administration, not Jerret.
oh my bad :D

MattKan 08-07-2012 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Starfire2001 (Post 1701183)
Absolut_Crono was allowed to manage UN into the ground for nearly two years, never doing anything at all and causing useful staff members to step down/quit the server entirely out of frustration. Despite constant player and staff complains sent to the PWA, they refused to remove him, as they didn't want to take such a large step. So I'm also curious to hear what could possibly be the reason for them now to step in and remove a manager who was seemingly well respected and doing a good job.
That's exactly what I was thinking.

It sounds to me like they're just doing this because of a personal grudge against fp4, which is bullshit.


If you go on Zodiac, you see a bunch of players and staff protesting that they want him back because he was a great manager. But when you went on UN two years ago, you saw a bunch of players who hated the manager and yet he was there for two years. This is ridiculous. You guys just ruined your reputation for a humongous portion of Graal.

Tenchry_P2P 08-07-2012 05:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MattKan (Post 1701197)
That's exactly what I was thinking.

It sounds to me like they're just doing this because of a personal grudge against fp4, which is bullshit.


If you go on Zodiac, you see a bunch of players and staff protesting that they want him back because he was a great manager. But when you went on UN two years ago, you saw a bunch of players who hated the manager and yet he was there for two years. This is ridiculous. You guys just ruined your reputation for a humongous portion of Graal.


it is personal due to triple + sinkler being in the same 'family'

WanDaMan 08-07-2012 05:43 PM
It's interesting how we all assume it's a direct attack against Jerret rather than him having done something wrong.

That in itself speaks volumes regarding the current state of the PWA and their reputation among the community.

MattKan 08-07-2012 05:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1701161)
Ok I got some clarification, Xor was removed from his Zodiac position. He hasn't been PWA for a year now.
He quit Zodiac when they fired Jerret.

Quote:
Originally Posted by WanDaMan (Post 1701200)
It's interesting how we all assume it's a direct attack against Jerret rather than him having done something wrong.

That in itself speaks volumes regarding the current state of the PWA and their reputation among the community.
Then they need to tell us what he did to prove that this was necessary.

xXziroXx 08-07-2012 05:43 PM
There's only two reputable Vimes', Chris & Kale, everyone else is a bunch of circle-jerking frauds.

Tenchry_P2P 08-07-2012 05:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MattKan (Post 1701201)
He quit Zodiac when they fired Jerret.



Then they need to tell us what he did to prove that this was necessary.


they haven't told us **** seriously

MattKan 08-07-2012 05:53 PM
You guys should really go on Zodiac and see the opinion of the players and the staff who worked with him.

ffcmike 08-07-2012 05:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WanDaMan (Post 1701200)
It's interesting how we all assume it's a direct attack against Jerret rather than him having done something wrong.

That in itself speaks volumes regarding the current state of the PWA and their reputation among the community.
I don't believe popular opinion should be accepted as gospel, but the lack of an official explanation certainly doesn't do PWA any favours considering such a decision was already going to be difficult to support.

cbk1994 08-07-2012 05:57 PM
Maybe the PWA should do this more often, I haven't seen this much forum activity in a while.

smirt362 08-07-2012 05:57 PM
What could be on the same level as a "certain someone" having people send him "certain pictures" in exchange for in game items?

Tenchry_P2P 08-07-2012 05:58 PM
certain someone named sinkler favouring a certain someone triple_combo way too certainly much

Crono 08-07-2012 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MattKan (Post 1701204)
You guys should really go on Zodiac and see the opinion of the players and the staff who worked with him.
There was even more after the first screenshot, but then it became a PK fest.

WanDaMan 08-07-2012 06:11 PM
Currently Active Users: 203 (31 members and 172 guests)

Not going to be an easy fix.. 203 concerned members regarding the future of Zodiac.

Imperialistic 08-07-2012 06:15 PM
I'm highly upset with this news and it pisses me off even more.

Jerret was doing a mighty fine job the past however many years managing Zodiac and to be quite honest I can't see anyone else who would fit the job. The globals sure did it this time :/


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