lol

Whether it will be fun has yet to be proven, so we will see. And yes, I agree with you to an extent, but you can only take so many rehashed ideas before you want something new, which is pretty much Graal itself in a nutshell. The focus here is claiming this is a new standard, and presentation plays a large role in a game's standards. If the implementation looks like a mess, you are hardly pushing the boat out.

The thing is, my avatar can be changed within 5 minutes, but changing the state of a server takes a hell of a lot longer. I understand that this is just a snide remark, but really, if you cannot accept criticisms or people disliking your work then I don't know why you're bothering in the first place.

Its not not accepting criticism, its repling to someone who knows from us telling him, and actively gets on the server every 4 days or so at the least, compared to you reading this and that be it. Snide, joking remarks aside, you don't have room to reply to a remark speaking of the server as a whole until you see it thus far and know the plan. Would be glad to show you when you have time.
That was my only point.

you have hardly seen any of my work to say so much. Everyone has seen your guild, so i advise maybe working on that before your 5 minute avatar. It definatly needs more work.

Dont claim to provoke remarks if you dislike truth.


Stating the above, i know about as much of your guild as you do of Armageddon, Im just being like you to prove your ignorance. You havent even seen enough to judge so your criticism is worth as much as mine about your guild. Nothing.

What's wrong with US?

it was reference to a point crono.

hey Rufus how did you get control of US again?

Like I said originally, on these forums the majority of people can only post based on what is presented in this thread. That does not mean I'm misinformed, because you're posting details and screenshots, and they're pretty consistent. I personally don't believe my opinion would change if I seen the rest of the server. My point still stands.

The majority of the players in my guild are better presented than this server, there are less issues to cope with, and there is a lot less people to cater for. Again, if you're trying to compare one thing to another, I think it's going to take a lot less time!

Like I said originally, when someone talks about a server as a whole, has seen it with their own eyes, and knows the future plans, you can't, respectably and whole-heartedly, respond. You dont know what he knows. Know, going on, I, of coarse, wouldn't typically, as any other owner in development, spill ALL the beans of a server in development. I still haven't. What has been presented in this thread is the finished results thus far. What Precise was talking about was beyong the finished results thus far, and you replied to it idiotically, not knowing it. So I explained it, and you continue further, idiotically. You are not misinformed. You are correct. You are actually only knowing in part, and trying to respond thus. Results are idiotic posts. The End.

First off, you are seriously comparing players to developing server? You compare real life people to development server?! lol. Decus, btw, was obviously comparing the result of him not knowing anything about US, yet saying you should worry more about your guild, just like you know next to nothing about the actual server Armageddon but reply to someone negatively who knows all I and Decus plan to do. You're being a plain idiot. Which by the way, I'm not calling you one directly, you are being one by constantly fighting this argument when I've directly said you don't know anything about it really, especially since you've never logged on since it came back. All these other people responding have logged on. They don't even know the complete future (although I or Decus have told them a great deal of it), so they have more say than most. A lot less people to cater for? Must be nice, but no say in development of a server, which obviously, from what I've read, didn't happen much when you were managing one. Compare one thing to another? Again, you just compared guild members to developing a server...

P.S.

Care to point out which of the 13 lines which include 27 ideas, which is only 1/3 of what is planned to be implented as unique (some of them are on kingdoms, I bet you'll only reply to those)??? Btw, a good 1/2 of those are already on our server or in the works right now.

Also, 22 pages and all the screenshots are consistent within the last year and a half or so? We've changed everything totally about 3 times to reach where we are, so that's a stupid statement.

This thread gives off bad vibes regarding Armageddon and I now have even less interest in the server (I had none to begin with, grats on going negative). Cyril and Decus are being ridiculously defensive over a server that, from what I've seen itt, is nothing special.

Apparently you still don't understand. I should have just quoted "This will definitely be a server to change the quality standard for future player worlds a-like." because that is what I was responding to. Everything you have posted looks bad to me, and it is consistently bad, and this is finished to you? Okay, I am entitled to say what I said. I don't have to know every nook and cranny, that is not how games are judged by consumers in real life, and that certainly isn't how it works on Graal.

No, I am playing the game he wants to play. Ignorance about a bunch of players is not comparable because we are not putting ourselves out there. There isn't a thread about us, but I bet if there was there would be a lot of opinions, misinformed or not. I would not be reacting how you guys are though, because comments like "your avatar is bad hahaha!" are off-topic drivel. You are opening yourself up to comments by making a thread and posting content, accept it.

I'm 100% sure I've never warped you out of OSL since it came back, and 99% sure since I just got off the phone with my little bro Decus, that he's never warped you out either. So I'm sorry that 1 level, OSL, wasen't amazing to wow you about Armageddon. So, you saying this pretty much amounts to 0 as well, as you have little to no posts in here with negative or constructive critisim, and have probably never bothered to even log on. You're just being negative to be negative, as usual (can't completly knock you on that, I drink and do it throughout the graal forums some times lol, but typically you post just to post).

Edit: This next part includes you Rufus, I know you'd love to read it.

I am being defensive, but it's not to be defensive. It's because, if you read what I said, I hate it when people try to talk about something like they know about it, when they don't. That's idiotic and pointless. Tried to point that out to Rufus, which makes his comments even more idiotic after I've pointed this out. He's never been on I'm sure, and if he has, it was last year, and everything is different, like I have stated in this thread. He doesn't seem to understand he's replying to someone that HAS been on the server quite a bit and we HAVE told him the almost complete future of the server. He instead goes off what, 8 whopping screenshots, which are only about 2 different things, since we restarted, and uses that as a whole of the server. So apparently he I've said it quite a bit now and he has no legitimate remark on that. Its nonsense and useless posts about a opinion that matters much to nothing. Its like taking 2 chapters of a book and making a comment and opinion on it. Not much room to say its not unique, not impressive, or really anything. On the server, especially after I state that what is in this forum is obviously not everything. Seriously? It's a server in development.


Anyways, keeping to the thread now...

The player house system is on the move. I'm amazed on what I can still do after quite a few beers! :)

Should be about 1/4 done tonight. Finished probably earlier than a week.

We also need bug testers, and I'm going to put in a system to file bug reports for things so we can fix them. I will announce when this is ready to go.

To be honest, I somewhat agree with Rufus, and I don't really like the unfinished look of it all. You guys should spend more time on every single detail to put on there, and the graphics could sure use a more refined look. If people can play your server, then they will, even if graphics are not on top of what appeals them. But after all, do you really want to go on and finaly look like any other server to attract the same players?

I'm not one to judge at all, even if I am a developer myself, but there's one thing I know when I create content for my own project, as I expect to attract oldbies but also a whole lot of new players: quality everywhere. This is why it takes so long to create something new, even longer with such small team I and Armageddon do have, but it is also what players usualy expect from us.

Lol. Nuff said there already.

He pretty much says gfx aren't going to change it, then you say gfx are appeal. How is that agreeing?!

Secondly, of coarse it has an unfinished look. The server isn't finished. Things are constantly approving with our 3.5 man team.

Thirdly, we might resemble A server or TWO, but we aren't going on looking like any other server. Thats a vastly broad remark to make. Really? Our GFX tileset and images on the lvs look like UN, Era, Zodiac, Kingdoms, or N-Pulse?! Thats not even a majority, and with the way ours are, barely, slightly resemble 1/3 of the servers ever.

On top of that:

We only got one, and he's inactive atm. And when you log on it says we actually need 3 now. The staff opening thread has almost never helped us, which is why it's out of date. Even to the arguement of saying we got one, it says we need 2. Again, start at the beginning of this thread if needed (not rude, people seem to be missing what I and other people post in this thread so far).

We have, technically, 1 GFX. Decus. Hes getting pretty decent, actually really good imo, but he started GFX like 3 months ago really, besides some random things. Obviously an experienced GFX artist would solve problems, which is why we are still looking for one.

On the last paragraph Soala. Agreed, completely. It's too hard to find dev, so most of dev server is just what they have and that's about it, period. Thats why I, as a pretty inexperienced scripter, have to force myself to learn stuff, and make, sometimes, pretty sloppy code that still works. We do plan to make stuff better, but we aren't obviously even in hosted yet.

Oh, I never even logged on. The point of this thread is to gauge your server. And it does a bad job. I looked at what was posted, got the whole "wow this doesn't seem special at all!" feel, and then saw your ridiculous posts.

I'm sorry you can't manage to advertise your server very well, and have to dismiss any (well deserved!) negativity as just being negative for the sake of being a jerk. I'm not trying to be a jerk, I honestly believe your server is nothing interesting!

No, I said that if the content you've got only differentiates itself in GRAPHICS then you need to CHANGE YOUR GRAPHICS as they are bad.

lol. If I really have to, I will go through 200 posts or so of you doing what I stated...

Either way, I don't really care on people critiquing how I post on a thread or advertise. I'm pretty sure that doesn't matter as much as the content of the server when it's released, and others seemed to be at least a bit excited, which, I'm very sorry you aren't after reading this. My bad.

I've given you those 13 lines and 27 ideas. Care to remark on the non-unique points of each of them? Its at least the 2nd time to ask, and you keep avoiding it. It pretty much disproves that GFX isn't the only thing that this server has to differentiates itself from other servers and that ours isn't like "every other server (specifically UN, right?)". But ... keep going.

Everything has room for improvement on what you guys made (wow I guess this goes for pretty much everything in life too) but it's still nice to see you guys working hard, and I did see some improvements between when I logged in a few weeks and today. You guys are on the right way if you keep trying harder.

Thanks. We do appreciate you logging on and giving constructive critisim to what you think should be fixed. :)

Also to say to the general public (lol I guess). Any normal person would stick up for what they've been trying hard on. Thats all me and Decus are doing. Started with one reply to someone saying something he knew, to someone who didnt bother to even view things on the server. I'm getting tired of repeating myself, so anyone say what they want, but I'm pretty much done besides server news/updates again.

Whatever great content you have lined up is irrelevant until the server is public. Until it's opened up to the world, I have this thread to go by, and nothing you say holds any meaning whatsoever. Everything people say about what you guys have posted is all there is to it, as that's all the server has to represent itself with.

Uhg, then you should have nothing to go on in this thread, because if nothing I say holds any meaning whatsoever, then how do you have this thread to go off of being I post almost all updates in this thread?
People just seem to post mindlessly A LOT. Thats why I want to just be done arguing. No real point. That was a dumb statement, that contradicted itself in it's own sentence. Proof of a mindless post. If you don't mean my posts, which is pretty retarded if you don't since I am Admin and post almost all updates for the server that this thread is about, then go ahead and take the other posts since we started back up (you can notice the dates, and notice that they are mostly positive posts besides Rufus' one which he can't back up when talking about the server as a whole since he hasen't seen it period). Everything other post is constructive critisim or a postive post about how good the server is turning out so far. Said I was done once, after tonight, done arguing with Kia and Rufus for real. Sweet Lord...

Anyways, wanted to say that there are only 3-4 "insides" left for the beginning town to be completed, including a bit more detail on the levels and some moving around things. The town will be open when it is finished, and released to the public to walk around in. There will be staff blocks shutting off the rest of the gmap until the entire 1/4 side is complete.

The 1/4 side will include a type of "campaign" quest. Probably, finishing the story for it (not the server) will be 8-9 quests we will be working on. This side will most likely be completed in 2-4 weeks from now, quests, levels, and all.

Our initial images and quests may, actually most likely won't, be the complete, finished product though, as we are still a dev server.

The server is public right now, techically, as we typically warp almost anyone out that wants to be warped out that has logged on. For those who think it isn't, anyone can log on (if you think you can't, then you obviously haven't tried whatsoever), it's not a staff only server (obviously not private, proved further in a few sentences). Simply ask me or Decus to be warped out of OSL, and it will probably (but not assuredly) happen. We have been doing this selectively (but mostly, again, for anyone) so people can see the server in development for themselves and not go off posts alone, since we started working on the server again about 2 months or so ago. Anyone who would have logged on would know this, as the general majority of players who have asked to be warped out of OSL have been, and only not warped out a very small amount (I think 2 players out of like 20 so far).

Gettin pretty tired, so goodnight Graal, for the most part. :P

To me, it looks pretty cool, of course it's not completely done but I'm fine with it :)

the post of the screenshot was not to show gfx or levels, it was to show a auction house script and preview of what cyril made. You people need to seriously read the post before judging a unfinished level.

if 1 piece out of 625 pieces is blue, is the whole thing blue?

Thats the game im playing rufus, you have no idea what your talking about because all you've seen is 1 piece out of 625 pieces of a whole. and that piece isnt even finished. The screenshot was to show a AH not levels or gfx.

the gmap is 625 levels total.


To correct you cyril, the OLS will not be opened. We scheduled a preview for September 28th so others can see finished progress to date.

:rolleyes:

yea the script, thats what the post he made was about

you have no concept if you think that level is finished.

Must be a curse to be so d simple.

Your words are hollow and empty without the content to back them up. You can't just say "okay, the server is great because..." when the only things backing that up is what little you've posted actually concerning the server, and your words (most of which are hostile self-defense!).

same goes to you kia, you havent seen any screenshot stating this is what the server looks like, and this is the finished progress of the server, all the screenshots where to show scripts / ganis such as the jail system and a auction house.

Why cant you understand that?

the thing that matters is everyone who has seen more then previews of scripts on unfinished levels has been good.

the 4 or 5 levels posted by cyril was not to show the same incomplete level 5 times, it was to show 5 different guis for the auction house. whys it so confusing?

So your criticism would be appriciated towards the jailing system and auction house rather then unfinished work and incomplete levels.

The tileset isnt even finished and it has much more work to go over. Along with levels and some gfx.

What you can't seem to grasp is that I do understand that. I understand you have little to show for the server and are defending it based on what only certain circles of people know about. I don't care what you have to show that you share with only those you deem worthy, that is irrelevant. Instead, I see what everyone else sees, and the vulgar way in which you defend it, and that's why I can hold such a negative opinion of the server.

Your fantastic, revolutionary jailing system is almost the same as what's been on GK and Delt for years. I am not impressed.

Auctions/shopping should not be set before the actual content of the server. Content which I know nothing about and instead am being shown these silly distractions.

I don't see where I mentioned anything about the level design?

Im defending criticism of incomplete work. Dont be so sensitive if you think in anyway ive been vulgar. What over a avatar?

I've yet to present a level.

So the server has no content I guess, have you been on? Do you know how to read and inform yourself of a thread before you speak? Lets make sure, since there is "no content" to back me up.

must = "no content". I've pointed this out to Rufus, but since you constantly say you go off this thread for the server, there's no way you missed all that, right?

Lol, we were technically hired on Delt, they don't have that jailing system. Saw the server and all they had like 3 months ago or so. Again you state little to no content. You're being more a fool than anything, as you have not logged on and speak about it. Guess what? Armageddon, like I stated in my previous post, is public if you ask to look around. You could have easily seen, but keep speaking as a fool. <- Thats why your opinion doesnt matter. 2 Pages of a book out of 600, foolish.

Being there aren't too many images besides images for levels, go refer to the quote i brought up already from you talking about fixing GFX or whatever.

On top of that Rufus, still, either 3rd or 4th time in not even 2 days now ... How about replying to the, so called by you, "non-unique" things Armageddon is bringing. Starting to look foolish too b/c there isn't much you can say after I posted that except say that you didn't know or take back what you originally said.

Now instead of you two going in circles, with me presenting what we have and are working on looong ago in this thread now, and saying about 1/2 of it was actually done or getting worked on right now, and with decus saying obviously the levels I took screenshots of to show the Auction House and Jail system, not the unfinished levels (which only a blockhead would think when I post about those 2 things I'm trying to show off levels and not the things I'm talking about), and you still not logging on, but keep going on and on instead of just looking, and you constantly ignoring it all, how is anything you say valid? I would really love to hear an explanation on how either of you two could be valid at giving your statements at all with all you dont know in this paragraph and the many posts me and Decus have posted now.

If the content you brag about isn't showcased in this thread, then it's irrelevant

How so? You can log on.

Also, please:
Or will you keep directly ignoring this for a reason?

So what you're telling me is, this thread is 24 pages of spam. Nothing it represents your server, and everything you've posted means nothing. Anyone who wants a taste of Armageddon should log on and ignore everything you've posted, because the purpose of this thread is certainly not to showcase your server.

Alright, anyways sola put it best, and im working hard to improve our gfx and tileset and finishing levels so that being said we will release a preview september 28th.

If you read some of the 24 pages you would know we've change the whole server. You would also know of other content we have besides jailing system and a auction house. Dont jump in so quickly, your not sounding smart at all.

So imagion how much your criticism means compared to people who did see the server and liked it.

probably time for you to move on and shut it.

No, what I mean is, and I quote (proves you really didnt pay much attention/read to what was going on):
And just to be clear, I was saying finished results thus far, but its not everything, which is why I said no one would spill ALL the beans of a server in development. To be more clear and say it directly, it's the finished results worth posting. Some results. There are other things and ideas I didn't want out yet that are completely done. Rag on me all you want for saying it that way, but if you would pay attention to what people were saying, then you would have got my indirect statements that are saying this isn't it on the thread. Why would I say to log on to see more, and still post some stuff on the threads? Does that really go over your head?

Btw, still waiting about the constant claim on "no content", and you and Rufus are still ignoring...

I don't think you even know what you're replying to when you quote me. I'm judging the content of this thread, not what your server has tucked away on the UC tab.

Armageddon could be amazing; I'm not saying it isn't.

But no one will know it's amazing. Because the subforums -this thread- exist to advertise servers. And this thread is severely lacking in anything positive/special concerning Armageddon. Which is all I'm basing my opinion on (ie, I'm basing it on what you've shown us).