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Darlene159 10-19-2009 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Hiro (Post 1531885)
only a few are well known throughout graal and have access to the types of floors to actually discuss these issues with people who run the game, and they are not apart of the action we players want to see, and they agree with us
Right, because we just sit around and do nothing....:\

Door 10-19-2009 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Hiro (Post 1531885)
i've been silenced from doing so on more than just one occasion i can think of. the fact is, it's masses of players that make the difference, not just one or even a couple. we can all agree and talk about things, sure, but once mass action takes place to hurt the powers that be in a place that forces them to act, and the action isn't bottle-necked by some different form of "player's" opinions and goals, then we aren't going to get any answers. i'm not even sure they listen to their global staff on these issues, and they're their global ****ing staff |8

i agree with you on all points about graal, and on all points about action. but, as you may have read in this thread, i'm not a respected person on the forums, nor are many people; only a few are well known throughout graal and have access to the types of floors to actually discuss these issues with people who run the game, and they are not apart of the action we players want to see, and they agree with us
Well not to be rude at all, cuz I totally appreciate any and all agreement, but right now you are part of the effort to stop players from getting together in mass. I know exactly ywhat you mean, and I agree, but it doesn't just happen by itself. Just as the description suggests, everyone needs to pitch in, everyone needs to be positive and contribute in some way, whatever way they can manage.

C'mon man, hop on the bandwagon! For once it's not to mock someone or spread a joke meme, it's to actually attempt at making a real difference for real people, including you and me.

WE CAN DO THIS, GUYS!

Tigairius 10-19-2009 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Door (Post 1531868)
boycotting.
Door... I can say with utmost confidence, that any major form of boycotting would get Graal shut down faster than we would have time to come on the forums and complain the boycott not working. This is why, for that reason, that is not an option for improving Graal.

Hiro 10-19-2009 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Darlene159 (Post 1531897)
Right, because we just sit around and do nothing....:\
no, you put forth action and receive nothing - it's much, much worse

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Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1531906)
Door... I can say with utmost confidence, that any major form of boycotting would get Graal shut down faster than we would have time to come on the forums and complain the boycott not working. This is why, for that reason, that is not an option for improving Graal.
exactly, but it seems to be one of a few choices that would produce results, but it's also shooting ourselves in the foot. the current silence will just continue otherwise, but doing something can result in the game being erased

Door 10-19-2009 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1531906)
Door... I can say with utmost confidence, that any major form of boycotting would get Graal shut down faster than we would have time to come on the forums and complain the boycott not working. This is why, for that reason, that is not an option for improving Graal.
Hey you're probably right about that, so I guess boycotting might be a little too extreme for the people who love Graal. But that just shows how lazy, selfish, and unwilling to improve they truly are. Graal has become nothing but money, they seem to show little interest in it, and we players have to hold it together and try to glue the pieces back on. And pay to do so.

So yeah, go ahead and keep supporting and defending that buddy, or maybe we can work toward a better solution, like potentially purchasing the rights to Graal. God knows we do a better job managing it right now than the rotten ones who own it, even though they consistently hold us back by taking our money and putting a huge wall of bureaucracy in our way of any major decisions.

Googi 10-19-2009 06:10 AM
Kaimetsu, of course. Of the remaining players, Moon Goddess.

Mark Sir Link 10-19-2009 06:30 AM
I can't believe people think that Stefan and Unixmad are running Graal at personal loss. If that was the case I think they might actually give a **** about it and work on it because to do so means they have some sort of love of the game as well.

It's painfully obvious they're yielding some profit and are perfectly content to leave the game in the mired **** hole it is because people are still willing to close their eyes and waste their money so that CJ can profit hand over fist.


It's become brutally evident that just asking for improvements isn't enough, so it's pretty evident that the only option left to a consumer actually seeking improvement is to speak with the power of the purse rather than with the diatribes of empty threats and angry words.

Curt1zzle 10-19-2009 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link (Post 1531960)
I can't believe people think that Stefan and Unixmad are running Graal at personal loss. If that was the case I think they might actually give a **** about it and work on it because to do so means they have some sort of love of the game as well.

It's painfully obvious they're yielding some profit and are perfectly content to leave the game in the mired **** hole it is because people are still willing to close their eyes and waste their money so that CJ can profit hand over fist.


It's become brutally evident that just asking for improvements isn't enough, so it's pretty evident that the only option left to a consumer actually seeking improvement is to speak with the power of the purse rather than with the diatribes of empty threats and angry words.
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Mark Sir Link 10-19-2009 09:21 AM
ur cute

jorollychu 10-19-2009 09:25 AM
dude-ah

Rufus 10-19-2009 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1531906)
Door... I can say with utmost confidence, that any major form of boycotting would get Graal shut down faster than we would have time to come on the forums and complain the boycott not working. This is why, for that reason, that is not an option for improving Graal.
You're conveniently not responding to Door when she's brought the discussion back to her original point, and have decided to focus on things that come across as extreme when they've only really been an example. Because it's only a hypothetical example and not even close to something that is happening in the reality, you should be able to see that "writ[ing] people off" simply because they complain is a completely ignorant statement to make and that is what this entire discussion has been about. Those people are the ones that are keeping this game alive, not the people who pretend as though everything is fine and dandy. At least these people are still here, still trying and optimistic that change could potentially happen, but because they're a little more realistic about their views of the game that's suddenly a bad thing :rolleyes:

Yeah, no.

BigBear3 10-19-2009 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu (Post 1531682)
I would like to nominate myself.
You have to climb out from under your Valikorlian rock.

Door 10-19-2009 02:30 PM
ty Ruf and Kevin, I think they both explained what I meant in short and simple for me, maybe Tig won't have such a hard time with it now that they have.

CharlieM 10-19-2009 02:51 PM
Quit the hijacks

kia345 10-19-2009 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Googi (Post 1531952)
Kaimetsu, of course. Of the remaining players, Moon Goddess.
Implying she actually plays


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