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Boozy_Bravo 01-04-2002 03:38 PM

i agree
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Stefan


Other games don't host official forums :rolleyes:

We cannot allow other companies advertising here!


Yeah, this is a bussness.
Some of you guys give Stefan such a bad time about his creation, well lets see you do better!!!!!!!!!!
give him a brack try saying i really like somthing then say but i think you can add this dont just come out all pissy he works his A55 off for you guys . .Show him the respect he deserves .

btw Stefan can there be a spell checker on the fourms am not the only bad speller hear
:D

Thanks, Xanatos

James205 01-04-2002 03:51 PM

Do you guys know how hard it is to be an admin? Especially in Contego's case. He has to set up everything, make sure everyone is doing there job. It's not as simple as it looks, and when people get mad over masses,PMs,e-mails not get answered. Not every e-mail is going to be answered not every pm is going to be answered, and masses are needed but you guys freak out about them. I don't blame Contego for quiting, the only reason why he got online for anymore was to get on graal and work. With everyone thinking he was a corrupt power hungry admin is just plainly wrong. Everyday I talk to Contego and he always helps me out. I was just told Konidias thinks he is Account Manager or GM? Well I am the Account Administrator and he's not apart of my team, and the accounts team is just fine. There is no problems(Icehawk I have no idea why you said that) as of right now, I got my 2 assistants(Kyle,Agelaos) and they are great staff. I am tired goodnight lol.

IceHawk 01-04-2002 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by James205
Do you guys know how hard it is to be an admin? Especially in Contego's case. He has to set up everything, make sure everyone is doing there job. It's not as simple as it looks, and when people get mad over masses,PMs,e-mails not get answered. Not every e-mail is going to be answered not every pm is going to be answered, and masses are needed but you guys freak out about them. I don't blame Contego for quiting, the only reason why he got online for anymore was to get on graal and work. With everyone thinking he was a corrupt power hungry admin is just plainly wrong. Everyday I talk to Contego and he always helps me out. I was just told Konidias thinks he is Account Manager or GM? Well I am the Account Administrator and he's not apart of my team, and the accounts team is just fine. There is no problems(Icehawk I have no idea why you said that) as of right now, I got my 2 assistants(Kyle,Agelaos) and they are great staff. I am tired goodnight lol.
I said that because people are all upset with the way things are being run, and I'm pretty damn sure it wasn't so when I was AA. (Congratulations on the job though)

TrueHeaT 01-04-2002 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PlasmaDestroyer

One word. Newbie.

one word. konidas

OH YEAH THIRD KONIDAS JOKE TONIGHT!

I'm just bitter because konidas just came along and did a bad tileset and all of a sudden gets FTP and RC and i made a lot of things for graal 2001 and gave stefan tons of ideas and never got anything.
it's totally unfair
i don't know if konidas sucked up a lot of something to get that stuff but =\

VyralP2P 01-04-2002 05:01 PM

Re: Re: What has Graal become?
 
I read the forum to this message.
Quote:

Originally posted by TheFrozenFiend
This is reply to the first post of the topic.

Paragraph 1: if its been deleted 3 times maybe (just maybe) someone doesnt want it up. You think youd have figured that out by the second time.

Paragraph 2: The only thing thats getting worse if the ammount of players who complain and think they could do better. Stefan doesnt have 24 hours a day to sit down and work on graal so some people who dont even want to pay for the game can have fun with it for 5 minutes before getting bored.

Paragraph 3: This is purely the players fault and no-one else can be blamed for it. The reason guilds are just a tag is because of players. The reason events are ruined is because of players. Youll never stop every player from doing something just because you dont like it. Some people only do it because others dont like it. Theres nothing you can do about it. Dont even bother saying ban people. Youd be getting rid of well over half the players and more will come, and come, and keep coming.

Paragraph 4: Why are there no teams for games? Players. Same things as guilds. Players dont care. After 5 minutes they are sick of it and want something else. If events team put on events people didnt want then people would complain. They just do what players want. Isnt that a good way to go about doing their job? Doing as the players ask? You cant sattisfy everyone. Thats a fact. They do however manage to satisfy a lot of people by doing what the majority want.

Paragraph 5: Players cant be corrupt. They dont have the powers to be corrupt. They can lie, cheat, hack and scam but that doesnt make them corrupt. Some players act like total idiots but if thats what they want to do they can. On graal 2001 I havent realy seen any corrupt staff. Sure, theres staff that wouldnt answer you if you waited an hour and FAQ's that couldnt answer basic questions about the server but thats not corrupt. Its just people being hired who shouldnt be hired. FAQ's shouldnt even need to be hired. Players should help each other. If someone asks me for help Id try answer them. I dont need some tag to do that. I dont need (FAQ) after my name just to help a person who needs help. Unfortunutely thats not the case with most people. In the end it all comes down to the players.

Paragraph 6: This I agree on for the most part. However you could just disable mass messages. Ignore toalls. Stay off graal. Nothing stefan says and nothing unixmad does can change this. This may be repetitive but its all down to the same thing. Players.

Paragraph 7: So what if someone tells you to shut up and die. Big deal. It shouldnt matter to you what some person who youve never met and probably will never meet says. If they have no valid reason for it then its irrelivent.

Paragraph 8: Its personal opinion. Like any game, in fact like every thing, ever created, some people will like it and some wont.
You cant please everyone.

The rest of the paragraphs are just your opinions on certain things about graal so I wont talk about them.

Half of what you said has nothing to do with graal itself but the people who play it.
Just think about that.

your da man!
and you can disable toalls and there is an ignore list where you can put people , just wanted to say that..

VyralP2P 01-04-2002 05:21 PM

Re: What has Graal become?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by konidias
Posting this for the FOURTH time.. without anything to do with 2k2 staff or any other reason I can see it would be deleted because of unreleased 2k2 information

Graal is falling apart more and more each day. This is purely my opinion, and I'm nothing I'm saying is FACT or anything.. but please keep in mind what I say, as I'm sure some of you will agree with me.

Back in the days before P2P, playing on Graal was fun. The occasional hacker killing everyone was the only bad part. Besides that, guilds actually had a meaning, instead of just having a tag at the end of your name, you would actually be part of the guild, maybe have a guild area on the map, etc. Sparring was great, now it's nothing.. I used to do nothing but spar back before P2P, and I enjoyed every match. It was fun when you could just go to a spar arena somewhere, and line up with others to fight one on one in unofficial matches. Nowadays no one cares to spar, they just care about money, and if there is a spar event, it's for money, and it's always ruined by people shooting fireballs, etc.

Graal2001 was okay at first, but it has seemed to get worse every day, even though so many new things are added. The changing of bomy pets from their original version actually made them worse then before. Right about when golf came out, the minigame revolution began and we ended up with go-kart racing and football, which barely anyone plays anymore. (whatever happened to racing teams and football teams?) The events team has gotten terrible, they say the reason they hold cs and survivor is because that's what everyone asks for.. well no crap, if they haven't played the other events in so long, they wouldn't remember how fun they were.

The staff got worse, and so did the players, the forums turned into a battlefield (and still are) and are no longer enjoyable to me anymore. When hats were released in limited quantities, that started the money era. Now nearly everyone are greedy backstabbers, and no one cares to do anything but make more money and get more items. When objects and gralat became so desirable, "corruption" started to occur more.. most of it just being accusations of others being corrupt.. sometimes players would call other players corrupt just because the other player had a lot of money.

Now I get on each day, and find nothing at all to do. Everyone is too busy making money and scamming/finding ways to cheat to actually RP or just sit around and talk. Mass messages are a joke, they are nothing but filth, arguements, advertisements, and annoying "support my guild" messages. Toalls are just another form of communicating with others for the sheer point of arguing and fighting, and telling everyone else how much of a loser someone else is.

Nearly all of P2P players do nothing but argue and hate others now. No matter what you post on the forums someone tells you to shut up and die. It's ridiculous and definitely not what I thought my money was paying for.

Not to mention G2k2.. oh boy.. I'm sure a lot of you will say I'm wrong here, but I envisioned something a lot different for the next generation of Graal.. it's seriously disappointing in every single aspect. Stefan doesn't seem to really know what he is doing in the game development area. The graphics in 2k2 are good, I admit, but they do not fit well at all with the characters or terrain. Why doesn't Stefan improve Graal as a whole? He might have made the new 3d terrain stuff, but when the hell is he going to make a better way of layering? Why can't he make tiles that lay over the player sprite? It would decrease the need to use npc images, and the environment would be so much more realistic (walking behind trees and buildings without needing npcs for everything)

Then there is server scripting.. I find it nearly impossible to work with, there are so many little things that would improve the system overall. Why not have variables that save to the npc on the level, and can be read clientside AND serverside? Instead of being able to do simple things like having lights come on outside of a house when you turn lights on inside, it takes using workarounds and npc save variables which are troublesome and not documented well.

He still hasn't improved the playerlist by adding new features such as making your own user groups like the buddies group. I admit I like the new features on the level editor, they help a lot, but the new version of graal has a lot of editor glitches and I get headaches when I load my level and it turns into nothing but the left grass tile. Some of these things just really aggravate me as to why Stefan doesn't see these things and fix them. Even the player profile could be made to look so much better with more options and things, and when will Stefan ever make it so we can put php code or something on a webpage and have our stats show up there?

Then there is the level generator.. wouldn't a level generator program be SO MUCH BETTER then drawing your level in a paint program? Just take a look a this example. Why not have it so players can pick a tile (such as tree, dirt, water, grass) and when they use their mouse on the level, it draws the map out dynamically? It would make the worlds much more realistic and have much more detail with less glitches and people wouldn't think level generated worlds are bad anymore.

There are so many things that could be improved it just boggles my mind.. the more I research and learn about game development, the more things I see about Graal I don't like. Whenever I get skilled enough with programming I will be able to put my visions of a good game into light. In my opinion Stefan has bad taste in graphics and style. You think with all the money they pull in, they could hire a good team of people to work for them doing art and levels and things, and stop hiring kids to work for free, making not so great stuff yet Stefan adds it anyway because he doesn't feel like paying people to do better?

Why doesn't Stefan expand the tileset? Why must we use the same tiles for everything? What if we don't want to "addtiledef"? I want new houses, new trees, new bushes and things.. without having to replace other tiles that people also like. If Cyberjouer is such a professional game company, why doesn't Stefan hire more programmers for the actual game? (not npc scripters I mean delphi/c++ programmers)

{edited out because I can't voice my opinion on 2k2 staff}

I just wish Cyberjouer would become better as a company, and actually care about it's customers needs instead of making what THEY think is best.

I think I will be taking a time off from Graal as a player and as staff unless it shapes up and becomes the game that it should be, which is fun and exciting, not the same thing and boring, with jackass players and corrupt staff.

I know some of you could care less about my opinions and that is fine, who am I to talk about game development? I just want to make a career out of it, but I guess since I didn't make Graal, then I'm not as good as Stefan. I feel so limited working for Graal, in level making, in graphics, in scripting.. it's all limiting.

Oh and for the people that reply to this without reading it all.. please continue going to school, as your mind obviously can't handle reading a page of text.

1.Graal isn't fallin appart gaal2001 is.

2.PK > funner , and you can still have guild houses on other servers , graal2001 sucks.

3.I hate 2001 , beacuse of all the gredy and evil people..

4.This is only happening to 2001 , and I like the evil graal comminication center ..

5.If your in a kingdom you have RP very often atleast zormites have :D .

6.That's why I hate 2001 but sometimes it's fun to argue ..

7.I love 2002 and I think that all staff should work on it to inprove it even more and maybe make newworld and 2002 same server , beacuse evrything I dreamed about newworld would be is now 2002 , thought not the plot..And I don't see anything bad with 2002 but that they took some things from newworld :( , and the gfx fit evrything good (I think , and maybe some other people to)
but it would be better if stefan would put the gfx in the tilseset or something so it would be less buggyer and less lag , notice I'm no programmer guy.

8.I suck at scripting but I think it could be improved

9.I think the playerlist is good , and have nothing against it.

10.I think the level generator program should be put into the levelmaker , and I don't really understand how this new level maker works , kinnda weird thought that when you press f4 you can still walk around with your graal guy :-|

11.I think there are some things that could be improved thought if you turn it into graal3d it won't be graal ...

12.Here I 100% agree.

13.I think they are doing a great job :)

14.Good bye! and if you feel so limited go work on another online game or something !

15.Fact konidias doesn't play on other playerworlds anymore .

16. graal celebrity , ROFLMAO :D

[edit] I guess the flaming starts now :rolleyes: [/edit]

HoudiniMan 01-04-2002 06:09 PM

i won't say it....




I WON'T SAY IT!!!!!




UGH! I HAVE TO SAY IT!!!!!!!!!!





GO JUMP IN A FRIKIN LAKE!!!






jeeze, *****s dis-ing Koni :rolleyes:

VyralP2P 01-04-2002 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HoudiniMan
i won't say it....

I WON'T SAY IT!!!!!

UGH! I HAVE TO SAY IT!!!!!!!!!!

GO JUMP IN A FRIKIN LAKE!!!

jeeze, *****s dis-ing Koni :rolleyes:

I hope you didn't say that to me ..

HoudiniMan 01-04-2002 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by VyralP2P


I hope you didn't say that to me ..

of course not...:rolleyes:

Kasuagi 01-04-2002 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TrueHeaT


one word. konidas

OH YEAH THIRD KONIDAS JOKE TONIGHT!

I'm just bitter because konidas just came along and did a bad tileset and all of a sudden gets FTP and RC and i made a lot of things for graal 2001 and gave stefan tons of ideas and never got anything.
it's totally unfair
i don't know if konidas sucked up a lot of something to get that stuff but =\

i want to stab you in the eye with my spoon

Androk2k1 01-04-2002 08:51 PM

This is the biggest topic I have ever seen! I read up to page 5... then I gave up... anyhow, several updates for Graal would be great... Most of updates that were mentiond by Konidias are reasonable so I say go for it

ZanderX 01-04-2002 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by James205
Do you guys know how hard it is to be an admin? Especially in Contego's case. He has to set up everything, make sure everyone is doing there job. It's not as simple as it looks, and when people get mad over masses,PMs,e-mails not get answered. Not every e-mail is going to be answered not every pm is going to be answered, and masses are needed but you guys freak out about them. I don't blame Contego for quiting, the only reason why he got online for anymore was to get on graal and work. With everyone thinking he was a corrupt power hungry admin is just plainly wrong. Everyday I talk to Contego and he always helps me out. I was just told Konidias thinks he is Account Manager or GM? Well I am the Account Administrator and he's not apart of my team, and the accounts team is just fine. There is no problems(Icehawk I have no idea why you said that) as of right now, I got my 2 assistants(Kyle,Agelaos) and they are great staff. I am tired goodnight lol.
It is hard and stressful to be an admin and I will not try to deny that. :)

But that does not mean that people can make stupid or bad decisions, which is something that contego had done more than once.


P.S.: Your custom text still says On Vacation. :D

JubeiSaotomeX 01-04-2002 09:37 PM

i remember talking to houdiniman on netmeeting, he told me to stop swearing because his mother will tell him off

ZanderX 01-04-2002 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JubeiSaotomeX
i remember talking to houdiniman on netmeeting, he told me to stop swearing because his mother will tell him off

hahahahhahahahhahr4oru42urRR$4942r09428r

VyralP2P 01-05-2002 12:27 AM

Houndiman > first real dumb idiot I have meet on these messageboards :grrr:

VyralP2P 01-05-2002 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Androk2k1
This is the biggest topic I have ever seen! I read up to page 5... then I gave up... anyhow, several updates for Graal would be great... Most of updates that were mentiond by Konidias are reasonable so I say go for it
Could you make me one of those cool graal2002 sigs?

Cyber-X 01-05-2002 12:42 AM

I don't agree with you at all Konidias... I think Graal is improving and getting another way of game!
Stefan is completly right of what he's doing (not trying to get something from him) and in my opinion its the best for Graal...
Each Game has a STYLE... you cannot try to make Graal like another multiplayer Game...

cshank4 01-05-2002 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cyber-X
you cannot try to make Graal like another multiplayer Game...
actually we can but we wont. =)

TrueHeaT 01-05-2002 03:50 AM

no one responds to my posts but kasuagi ;(

spanky7124 01-05-2002 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TrueHeaT
no one responds to my posts but kasuagi ;(
*Reads post feels bad* Wub <3 for Trueheat.

Torankusu 01-05-2002 04:00 AM

Contego was OKAY for doing what he tried to do, deathchill, but making it so that 'Nemesis,' the "HRO" or something could only fire people was just dumb.

DeathChill 01-05-2002 04:03 AM

OH GUESS WUT TORAN!I AM ACCOUNTS MANAGER LOLOL

Torankusu 01-05-2002 04:03 AM

I HAD NOT NO cLUE

COGRTAS

craig_bomy 01-05-2002 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Torankusu
I HAD NOT NO cLUE

COGRTAS

he sprung it on me too with his hi i wear pants approach <3

DeathChill 01-05-2002 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Torankusu
I HAD NOT NO cLUE

COGRTAS

THANX U! U SHOOD CUM ON AND C

Torankusu 01-05-2002 04:08 AM

i c u.
u get 2 jon corutp now

DeathChill 01-05-2002 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Torankusu
i c u.
u get 2 jon corutp now

omg omg omg

mike_king 01-05-2002 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeathChill

omg omg omg

Well, Konidias and his point have officially gone out the window. :o Thx everyone for posting here, and really there are 21 pages right now. Can anyone guess how many more pages there will be that have absolutly nothing to do with konidias and fixing some of the stuff in graal.:confused:

just thought I should :spam: this

- Wind Rider

DeathChill 01-05-2002 04:27 AM

We are waiting for Konidias to post more so we can disect it and see what is right/wrong in our views.

konidias 01-05-2002 04:30 AM

It's pretty obvious that Stefan won't be coming to read this huge topic again so it might as well be closed.

I'm compiling things that need changing or adding to Graal and sending the entire thing to Stefan, and maybe he will take some of my advice or something.

Torankusu 01-05-2002 04:32 AM

there are eight pages.

AlkarenHyralt 01-05-2002 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Torankusu
i c u.
u get 2 jon corutp now

ono y r i not en kurrupt?

cshank4 01-05-2002 05:51 AM

Look at title and add this
 
Question: what has graal become?
Answere: you really really really dont wanna know!

Ape2k1 01-05-2002 06:09 AM

Stefan, i want to help you. i can program C++ and am willing to help you. but you just ignore my offer and do not care about people who wish to help. since you asked us to help, please dont ignore me.

ZanderX 01-05-2002 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ape2k1
Stefan, i want to help you. i can program C++ and am willing to help you. but you just ignore my offer and do not care about people who wish to help. since you asked us to help, please dont ignore me.
...

Cyberjouer doesn't need programmers...

IceHawk 01-05-2002 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ape2k1
Stefan, i want to help you. i can program C++ and am willing to help you. but you just ignore my offer and do not care about people who wish to help. since you asked us to help, please dont ignore me.
Apparently you need to program yourself some intelligence as HTML is not accepted on this forum.

Torankusu 01-05-2002 06:29 AM

I will send him visual basic 6 for dummies.

AlkarenHyralt 01-05-2002 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by IceHawk
Apparently you need to program yourself some intelligence as HTML is not accepted on this forum.

Not turned on in signatures, as well. :)

Sir Triclops 01-05-2002 07:14 AM

Someone made mention that only like 5 people are worth keeping as staff because the rest abuse power.:p
Sorry, I do not have power to abuse ( according to anyone who doesn't get their way, "abuse"). And the way most Graalians re-act to certain things, I prefer it this way. I've been staff for almost a year and a half. Nobody complains about me (that I know of) and nobody praises me (that I know of). I like it that way. I hate to be in the spotlight, and now I'll go crawl back into my hole.

Vincent_TK 01-05-2002 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sir Triclops
Someone made mention that only like 5 people are worth keeping as staff because the rest abuse power.:p
Sorry, I do not have power to abuse ( according to anyone who doesn't get their way, "abuse"). And the way most Graalians re-act to certain things, I prefer it this way. I've been staff for almost a year and a half. Nobody complains about me (that I know of) and nobody praises me (that I know of). I like it that way. I hate to be in the spotlight, and now I'll go crawl back into my hole.

Poizon owns :)


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