What are you talking about? Darlene stated that everyone complaining is basically a non important member. I then pointed out that some of the best artists are complaining as well.

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enough said.

i mean seriously (and i feel as if this needs to be a separate post from what i just posted) the biggest problem here is the totally lack of communication between players and staff. it's what i meant between there being a fine line between being a player and a staff member, and it get's really hard to hold the role of both at the same time, and to sometimes lose your focus when you concentrate to hard on the other

we can't even make threads about how to save graal. the communication break is so terrible that the staff owners don't even let us post about an obvious problem that we all seem to care about in one way or another

of course people think that stefan and unixmad don't care about graal. it's an understand perspective since we haven't heard anything out of them. we get no information out of them other than the rules they set out, so much so that when stefan makes a post (in a thread that was hard enough to discuss about in the first place) it's vantage points are so extreme as to "stefan is busting his ass just to keep graal alive" and "stefan doesn't care about graal at all"

we are getting nowhere by adding new super moderators to the forum unless those moderators are going to be taking some responsibility for getting some quality discussion in about graal. i'm not the type of person who is going to personally attack someone while discussion the finer points of graal subjective-opinions (like i got out of hand with dusty and apologized for) and almost no one else around here is either - we just want to actually start discussing and doing something rather than fighting for the ability to discuss it. actions like these (which i have in no way intention of somehow adding into the fray SN) in adding people to moderate us only makes the apathy grow stronger

either we need to start looking like a community with an owner that works together with us, since this is a development platform and a forum based around that development platform, or graal is going to stagnate at a level of MMO-mediocrity that only it's most hardcore and devoted fans will ever keep up with it

in fact i think we're at that point right now don't you think?

From what I can remember, a number of these threads were either

1. Bashing Stefan without any evidence and just calling him lazy or stupid for not working on Graal (while there is perfectly good reason for him to work on other things, i.e., to get money to keep Graal up)
2. Crazy financial plots, which while they may work in the long run could kill off Graal forever.

I personally do not believe anything should be censored, but everything should be handled with a personal response.

It's hard to do that sort of thing between all the trolling that tends to happen around here though. Often good ideas are hidden in between a lot of negativity.

This thread is going entirely off-topic.

I think SN earned his chance to prove himself, wait how the situation evolves and then decide :)

Also, hes just a Super Mod, not a big deal! I think that doesn't stop anyone from posting, it is just a left hand for Moonie and Sam to deal accurate as they would with according situations...if he would judge them differently then he would not be Super Mod, it is just a tirening work for 2 or oftenly 1 single Mod to deal with every imappropriate post ^^

Stefan is a good scripter and a good person, I think he knows what hes doing and he will definitely not drop Graal because it helped him so much himself.

I remember when Stefan and I used to talk much and he always told me that there is so much work and its exhausting, going home earlier than he planned from vacations when errors occured...give him some air?

you, sir, have no idea what you are talking about. your perspective on the threads of last...they have not viewed CJ in a negative light. if anything, we are looking for a beacon of help, and all that's done is that it gets deleted before anyone important can look at it

I like a lot of what you said, and I agree that Stefan should be more public about the updates he makes and what he is working on.

I also believe there should be a streamlined interface for making suggestions so you know they will be heard, rather than ignored.

This way, the playerbase can also work off of other peoples suggestions and rank what they think is important (a rating system).


There is a lot of work to be done, but some of the negativity that has been floating around like "Stefan doesn't care about Graal anymore" is really just crazy.

I think if we can keep things in a positive light and make a good list of suggestions then things can get moving.

Well played, sir.

I meant, I dont know what Stefan and unixmad's plans are regarding Graal. They dont talk to me. I'm not a global, not anyone of much importance, just a forums Admin. If they dont want something on the forums, then it wont be on the forums. If I dont enforce the rules, they will, and/or find someone who will. Who am I to tell them what they can and cannot allow? I dont have to like it. It's their call. If they want me to do something differently, I will surely comply.

They want a community that can at least be civil towards each other, and maybe even respectful of others feelings. For crying out loud, members come on here and bash others for grammar, spelling, and for other things. We dont want people to be afraid to post here over such stupid stuff. But it's ok for those popular people to purposely misspell stuff because it's cool? It is not going to work like that. I dont care if no one posts here anymore. It is not hard to e nice, and helpful to one another.

As for the things Stefan dont want posted, you will have to speak to him, and stop making it look like I, SN, or Sam can just ignore what he wants, and do what we want. It doesn't work like that in business. You do your job, or lose it, or walk away if you cant do it. Simple.


Now, please, let's not further this discussion in this thread.

I think all of us WANT to help Graal. If stefan would just take the time to say open a thread and have people post there ideas in a well thought out manner and then he posted reasons why it should/shouldn't be uploaded, i think players would get a much much better view of him and graal.

they have been in a positive light! go back and read my "this needs to be discussed" thread!

that is a call for us to band together and make something to save graal!

are you saying we can make a new thread for this discussion then? if so, as forum admin, can you please start that topic for us? a sticky would be nice

and also, i don't see why you are degrading your position as a forums admin. it's about as hard to get as any global job, and it's got it's share of the workload. i bet if you tried to talk to them about things (or let us have a thread to do it with you) we could come to a good conclusion on it. this is exactly the type of mentality that will get us nowhere before we even start

And you are more than welcome to delete any posts that aren't beneficial to the cause if you do this :)

I'm not saying specifically yours nor anyone elses has been negative.

Just, in general, there is a lot of bad air going around that the administration doesn't care at all.

They do, otherwise Graal would have been knocked out 3 times before from going bankrupt.


Like I've said, there sure are a lot of problems, but my point is bashing isn't going to solve any of them, and I hope everyone can agree with that.

well, i completely agree.