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Originally Posted by Liberated (Post 1563191)

From what i understood they somehow did let him know they thought he could better be replaced.\/

Oh. well that's good. I guess it was just because it was so sudden at the time.

First Backdraft failure = Making Streety "Developer" staff. Not a good start in my eyes.

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Originally Posted by TSAdmin (Post 1563175)

I know a lot of you are wanting to hear from the PWA as to the thought process leading to Streety's removal and going by this thread, apparently it was no secret that it was "3-to-1". I am not sure how those numbers were made public. Regardless, unfortunately I can't really provide a specific and clear response for those of you who are upset and/or disappointed by this outcome, as I must admit that I was the "1".

On that same note, there are those of you who don't really care what the PWA's deciding argument was or the votes, you just care that Streety was removed as it's what you wanted. Perhaps rather than jumping back and forth between each other saying "So what has Streety done for UN?" or "He was awesome, I don't understand", those of you who were for Streety's removal - step up and just say, in the event you were involved in a vote, why you voted for his removal. Be honest, because when all's said and done, the PWA only looked at Streety because the community came to us first. The PWA don't simply act unless we're made aware of something being wrong in the first place.

That said, it had been discussed in the global forum back and forth about why Streety should or shouldn't have been removed but at the end of the day, perhaps I missed something which is why I put it to the greater community to help me understand why it came to this. As I said, essentially there's no escaping the fact that you as the community brought this to the PWA's attention and now the deed's done. If there's something to say, I would really like to understand it myself. It's not just about me though, I'm sure Streety wouldn't mind getting some feedback rather than leaving on a "Well damn, too bad" note.

I don't understand why he was removed without warning? I, personally, do not consider Bell suggesting he drop down a warning.

i cant say that i agree with this, streety is one of the best UN managers in my eyes.
with that said, i'll miss streets.

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P (Post 1563180)

yo it really sucks when this happens.
i feel ur pain streety.

Perfect example of how enough crying and personal ambition can get a perfectly fine manager removed over the slightest little things. Although, in your case, the PWA didn't really investigate the situation at all. Houdiniman just logged on RC, asked everyone what we though about you, and pretty much made a decision in what seemed like a few minutes. :p

For some reason it seems like the PWA just needs to flex its muscles from time to time. I truly hope that's not how Streety's situation went down at all.

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Originally Posted by salesman (Post 1563203)

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Originally Posted by SwimChao (Post 1563019)

That's what I told Bell when she proposed several weeks ago that I move to development, and make someone else manager.

Seems like it was in deliberation for a while.

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Originally Posted by MysticX2X (Post 1563204)

Seems like it was in deliberation for a while.

I was referring more to how the PWA made its decision, not how long it took them. You can take as long as you want and still make a bad decision based off of a bunch of biased whiners' opinions :p

I'm not accusing the PWA of doing this because I really have no insight on the situation other than what I've read in this thread-- I'm just saying that it has definitely happened in the past. Although based off of TSAdmin's response, I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility.

In my experience it was obvious that Streety at least cared about UN to an extent. He was by far the least troublesome in what has become a lineage of piss-poor management on UN. I personally quit helping UN out while Malinko was still a manager (what a nightmare), and, absolutely refused to manage UN all three times I've been asked in the past few years due to the various sociopolitical drama that is both excessive and inherent at this point.

I will admit that I do at times find it ironic when the PWA step in on UN, as it seems to be selective considering the multitude of issues that have occurred there that I've been privy to... though I suppose it's relative as this 'selectivity' seems to be the case in general regarding both Classic and UC servers.

On Graal it seems anymore that most people have inferiority issues, an axe to grind, and/or an ulterior motive of some sort with just about everything. This alone is the reason for a general lack of cohesion and subsequently the downward spiral of the game.

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Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1563195)

First Backdraft failure = Making Streety "Developer" staff. Not a good start in my eyes.

Not really a failure thus far.
Streety is the type of person that is only a good asset to the team when he has a boss (as shown by his time as GAT Admin/Admin). He has a boss now :)

Whilst not largely contributing to the physical development of the server (then again, it can be hard to in times like these), Streety certainly contributed to the stability of the server.

And goodluck to Backdraft!

In short, the majority of the PWA feels that Streety is an asset to Unholy Nation, but not as a manager. For many months now we have received reports of development staff feeling disgruntled with Streety's management style and overall we are aware that a lot of the players were unhappy with his handling of player relations, or sometimes, lack thereof (consistently referring people away, even for the simplest of questions). There were also several other reasons that have been riddled throughout this thread, but the reality of it is really quite clear.

Everyone should be aware that Streety was not forced out of his position without any reserve; when approaching such situations we try to be as delicate as possible to avoid disrupting harmony and development as much as we can. Streety was given fair notice and was kept aware of our actions throughout a lot of the latter parts of the process (up to being politely asked to resign).

We know Streety has a lot of friends on Unholy Nation and is quite the charismatic person to be around if you know him, but there have been a lot of instances where favoritism has come to be a problem during his management as well.

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Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1563252)

as well as the PWA not liking some of the manager methodology and imploring favoritism in the negative. if streety doesn't have a clear explanation for why he was removed, what makes you think he was informed during the process?

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Originally Posted by TSAdmin (Post 1563175)

That said, it had been discussed in the global forum back and forth about why Streety should or shouldn't have been removed but at the end of the day, perhaps I missed something which is why I put it to the greater community to help me understand why it came to this. As I said, essentially there's no escaping the fact that you as the community brought this to the PWA's attention and now the deed's done. If there's something to say, I would really like to understand it myself. It's not just about me though, I'm sure Streety wouldn't mind getting some feedback rather than leaving on a "Well damn, too bad" note.

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Originally Posted by TSAdmin (Post 1563179)

Like what? Bring everyone to your eyes. It's all about you right now, I'm asking you:
What was the difference to you between a manager who perhaps needed reminding of a promise made but unkept and a manager who should be removed? If a manager is slipping, he needs a kick in the butt, no doubt. Why vote removal?

i completely agree with these points, specifically that streety was really just getting a handle on the numerous problems plaguing UN. if anything, he's being kept on as a developer would indicate how personally he has gotten to know the problems at hand, but now that he knows he can't lead the projects? it's all fine and dandy to remind a manager what needs to get done, results are needed; but give the guy some time as not even last week he posted about fixing problems...it takes some groups months to get things going

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Originally Posted by Hiro (Post 1563261)

A lot of people think what they're doing is correct. Maybe Streety was just unaware a lot of people were uncomfortable with what he was doing.

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Over a year isn't enough time? I don't know if you've played UN enough in the past year to know that it has been lacking and wasnt being focused very correctly at all.

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Originally Posted by MysticX2X (Post 1563266)

Over a year isn't enough time? I don't know if you've played UN enough in the past year to know that it has been lacking and wasnt being focused very correctly at all.

a lot of the issues were not brought up a year ago, so that isn't the correct increment of time in which to say streety hasn't produced anything. it has probably taken months to compile and completely understand the issues with UN, both for players, staff, scripts, systems, and projects. and this seems to be overshadowing the in-game forums came in under his management, and how much of a success is that currently? if anything that's the single biggest update UN has seen in years, albeit not one i personally enjoy

and i would know: i've been on UN actively for more than just the past year, though i can never seem to break through into staff like i used too and have a deeper insight into the background problems