@ Gladius - ummm... apparently you're really really hurt and you really really need to settle down a bit... it's not that serious...

@ Mystic - modern events system won't save the world, but it'd be a positive change. Upgrading should be something on the side

It should be a priority actually. You believe the problem with GC now lies within the GC team and tickets, when the GC team isn't even the case and the tickets are playing a minor role. If other servers already have a higher tech events system, why do they want to play Classic events which run slow and take a very long time and aren't even aware of most event rules?

You seem to ignore the big picture here but you haven't played other servers so I realize where your ignorance comes from.

I've been to NPulse, Era, and UN, I've played events from those servers, their systems aren't that much of a difference.

I don't know what happened, or why you're all bickering. Gladius is right, when there are 40 people online, you should be hosting an event that'll involve everyone. Not everyone is going to wait around for a half hour incase there is a second or third event hosted. There is very little to do when you're not in an event, which is made even worse when half of the people you're normally 'hanging' with are offtag and in an event.

Really the GC team needs to write a guideline to determine what events should be hosted when X amount of players are online. A GC hosting only what they want is selfish, think of the players first.

I've discussed this with Nighty, and he has no plans on updating this archaic system. Things like summoning should have been phased out as soon as we got the NPC server. We have the technology, why aren't we utilizing it?

It seems clel is so overcome by the flood of knowledge I released that he is mistaking his own pain for someone else's. Nonetheless, the only thing I really know from other servers that we could use is on Era where you click the message to join events. No more server summons, no more "i wasnt pming for event" complainers, etc. Beyond that my knowledge is shallow and pedantic, though an update could be useful.

You rinse repeat as usual... look back at some posts of mine, your points have already been solved

Apparently you didn't read how you prove someone wrong with facts, not opinions. Just because my opinion isn't the same as your opinion, you don't win by stating your opinion. Nice try though clel. I'll keep repeating myself if necessary, even if you can't handle the truth (movie quote)!!!!1

it's not opinion, it's true, if you overhost A, then A will get boring... wow Clel rocks how does he do it O.o?!

Guys, please take this to PMs or the GC forums. This thread is for specific suggestions, not arguing.

Yes, that is true. But guess what clel, its not what I said! Go figure.

And using the same tactic as you: if players don't like C, why would you host it? Sounds logical enough.

i hope you will not do like gc board . 50 pages of bull****

They make it more apparent that they're hosting and what the rules of their events are. I'm not suggesting all automated but something to resolve a quick join to events (Which a poll has been posted for).

honestly I'm not even gonna bother with nothing of that nature, I'm not the best at explainin junk so I have no business trying to in the first place

That is indeed very true.
Someone like Rob who was a Classic regular left the server for Era because he doesn't like how long events on Classic take - mostly due to the set up and the summoning of accounts which is pretty much a waste of time if you think about it.

I'm in favour of a technological advance - Classic's system is outdated, and sure, it would save you guys a lot of hassle and cure the problem with summon bias by someGCs... but if you change it to look like everyone elses' -- What makes it Classic?!

The only other problem I could see with using a 'join event' system would be the fact we're now shifting away from player-run events onto robot-like events. I mean, seriously guys... What would differentiate you GCs hosting from a robot?!

Also, the GCs have been pampered quite a bit lately though bringing up valid points that I myself brought up back when I was a GC, yet Night didn't listen to me. I'd be surprised if he changes his mind now.

Most importantly, regarding the use of more intelligent event operation designs, GET RID OF MASS MESSAGING. Whoever decides to make such changes, do NOT forget this, and ignore Night if he tries to tell you no! This is the single most antiquated thing the server still does and it needs to DIE, promptly.

Well its clear Classic GC have nothing on speed compared to other server ETs, but think about it, why do you think we are still GC and they are all ET? Game Coordinators still have to coordinate everything, Events team people just kinda have to kick back and enjoy the show because everything is click click! clack clack nuggah!!

Actually I don't agree with you at all Kat.
Mass Messaging is crucial to keep any sort of competitiveness in events.
Tickets are currently useless, Classic is the only server that uses Mass Messaging to show winners -- If this was removed, do you think it would have any positive outcomes other than it being easier for you (since you won't have to open up their messages on RC, assuming this is why you want them disabled).

since the writing ability of the members of the GC team run from simian to block of wood, I don't see why you'd think it's a good idea to have them constantly mass messaging.

You, like Night (at least in the past), are blind to the possibilities. You simply do NOT have to remove messages involved with starting an event. The point is that there's absolutely NO reason for it to be done via mass messages. It's the most irritating thing imaginable.

Also, what Kevin (lmao, I think... account names are so annoying) said is right. The messages are pretty much useless as of now anyway. I'd wager that a decent portion of the players don't even CARE about the literary aspect of the messages as well. I certainly don't want to read a novel if I'm trying to get into an event quickly. However, as I said, messages do NOT have to be removed.

You raise a very good issue indeed Kevin, and this further supports the idea of Night making a set of guidelines for GCs to follow.
If you guys remember Kai -- he was the worst GC (in my eyes) as he put no effort into the job at all, and changed the ways of Mass Messaging for everyone since the other GCs realised that it was 'okay' to just use 3 words to describe an hour or so long event.

When Thor made that CTF results script (for example), all he did was copy/paste that in his mass and go off tag, now everyone seems to follow suit.

I believe Night should state that effort is required as a GC; and this means putting in a paragraph or two to describe a long and enduring event. Clel used to do great entertaining masses, now he has followed the crowd too... Which sucks for the literate individuals who do actually read the masses.

Being a GC is already a job. Adding pointless requirements to it just makes it less likely that people will stay doing it and want to do it in the future. You may not see it as a job, but others do. I'd be surprised if all of the current GCs actually WANT to host as much as used to be required by Night when the server was somewhat "healthy".

Also, implying that people who have no interest in reading a novel in an irritating mass message just to enter an event are illiterate is just a pointless insult, or maybe ignorance of the word.

I'm already in favour of updating the current systems in terms of starting an event, however I'm against removing Mass Messages to announce the winner for reasons I have already stated. I think there was a misunderstanding from your part.

Actually you'd be surprised.
Once again, you're relating it back to getting INTO an event whereas I'm talking about the announcing of winners.
You see, this is why you are not a GC. You have the wrong attitudes about being a GC - those that think like this should not be a GC because they should enjoy the fact they're hosting to entertain players from all over the globe; they're the only staff team that are holding this server intact since there is little to nothing else to do. Anyways, GCs should be hosting as much as possible - If they do not enjoy the job, they can always leave, there has always been a high demand of players wanting to be a GC. I actually think Night's removal of the weekly times led to the eventual inactivity of the server, if you'd like me to explain I will.

You took what I said the wrong way. I meant some people actually enjoy reading, and do not mind reading a novel if it is that long (Gladius is the only GC that writes long paragraphs anyway).

So basically, in a nutshell:
You are unhappy that Mass Messages are the form of communication used by the GCs simply because you are too lazy to close each message from your RC.

I'm sorry, but that is very selfish and not taking into consideration other factors such as competitiveness and other peoples' opinions of the matter; and failing to see that what you believe is your opinion only (as I'm sure no one shares your view).

Again, blindness. Do you honestly think that it's not possible to retain this as well?


You referenced both once. I honestly didn't notice that the first was about ending messages, but it changes nothing.


That was my whole point. Such restrictions on what a GC needs make it difficult to fill the positions well. You may think those things are necessary, but they're really not, particularly now.

Players are more likely to just want to use the tools the GCs have available than they are to actually WANT to host for the "fun" of it.


I read exactly what you said, and what I informed you of was two possible reasons for you saying it. You may have failed to express what you were intending, but that's your problem. (Uh oh, that wasn't worded in a way that Barney would like, I must be being an ass!!!111oneoneone Hardly, just direct.)


This is exactly why I hate them, and not only on RC. (Aside from the laziness aspect, which is just yet another pointless insult.) Nobody should HAVE to deal with the garbage. That's undeniable logic. You're just afraid of losing something that's, for reasons I can't even comprehend, important to you due to your ignorance of what's possible.


Seriously. Think about possibilities before you type. Absolutely nothing is lost, only changed to suit a wider range of personal preferences. If you even try to say that it's affecting YOUR preference, good luck justifying that. Whether it's an internal window message of some form or a PM, it still requires the same reaction from you, whereas it gives me and others who hate mass messages the satisfaction of not having to deal with them.

I found it amusing that you try to say that this is solely based off of my opinion and nothing else. You're truly blind/ignorant (of several things, apparently) if you can't see the benefit of giving players options that reduce annoyance. Whether or not it's annoying to you is irrelevant. It's obviously POSSIBLE and probably a lot more likely than you think for it to be annoying to others.


This kind of opposition to nothing more than a display change is absolutely pathetic. "Oh no, don't change what I see, just because it's been that way for a long time!!! It makes no difference if it functions exactly, or almost exactly, the same, it LOOKS DIFFERENT!! AHHH" Please. Get over it. It's ridiculous.

I wouldn't mind the mass messaging of a winner if it was done by the NPC-Server AND players could choose to not receive messages.

All a GC would have to do is send the NPC-Server a PM starting /announce or something.

Then, the option of joining through a condensed GUI or responding to the NPC-Server (again, both able to be toggled) can be used.

Who cares what you'd mind?
You don't play classic because you're not allowed to.

obviously you.

Kat's right here. Mass messaging can get annoying, especially for events such as CTF.

Well there has been the consideration of adding an events based GUI, with Storm also telling me that he was working on updating the GC system. The events based GUI can have messages from the GC commenting on the event just like any normal mass message and won't have to hassle players on receiving it constantly. A click to join button would also be nifty and stop the speculation of GC bias for not summoning you (which has happened to me last night by one GC).

Bleh, at a lot of the stuff on the last few pages. Gonna have to put some folks in time out it seems har har. As for the talk about an events system... well yeah I guess I've been like an old man. By that I mean wanting to stick to the old ways just for the sake of tradition. I guess that's not always the best way to look at stuff as far as progressing things go. So I'm currently working out ideas for a system that will hopefully still feel like GC but incorporate the features the players want to see. We'll see how things go. Just stay tuned har har.

@ both Kat and Kill.

Both of you have some good thoughts, and both of you have some bleh thoughts. Look. Being a GC is a job, yes, but we are by no means robots. The masses that some GCs put out nowadays are just pathetic, which indeed can be traced back to kai's skeletal masses (as someone said.) No, not everyone really gives a damn about the masses, especially if they lost. But people do like to be recognized for their efforts, especially when they win.

Masses shouldn't be used for gathering people to events. A gui system like era (tis all I know) would probably, imo, be a lot better. But masses do need to be kept for announcing who won. Honestly I'd like to have a paragraph minimum for end-masses, but sometimes there really isn't much to say.

As for the "don't think GCs want to host as much as night used to make them" (paraphrase, not exact quote,) comment: true, some GCs wouldn't be make the old minimum with their current hosting habits. But several GCs easily could pass the test, if only more events could be hosted. This is the part where some people say "you can always host low-playercount events!" True. But I'm talking about times where a GC hosts a pretty solid event and only gets 3 people even though 15 are online. People just don't join events in the numbers they used to, and it makes it really tough on GCs to consistently host smooth events.

In summary:
Masses need to be replaced by a gui system (or something similar) to gather people for events, but need to be kept for end-masses, which need to improve in quality by some GCs.

can we have less drama lz!! i beg u

times are changing, put that ability to adjust to work

come gather round people
wherever you roam
and admit that the waters around you have grown
accept it that soon you'll be drenched to the bone
if your time to you is worth saving
then you better start swimming or else you'll sink like a stone
for the times, they are a changin'

*claps*

End masses can be replaced by a gui based report system...And usually end masses should summarize the event and not take as long as the event to write, if I'm correct about what GC's you are referring to.

More or less was referring to the "such and such won such and such event and got 2 tickets" masses. Thats just lazy.

I'd prefer to have control over the end-mass in order to have fluff, rather than let the gui do it.

I meant as in typing the message into the gui and the gui relaying it to the players via itself.

Though I don't know what our gui (if we had one) would look like, I doubt it would leave too much room for my elaborate and spacious reports.

Why wouldn't it? Multi-line editboxes exist.

Do they? Cool.

Having learned that, how would they be different than masses then?