This is quite funny because in the article it says itself that

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Visual hierarchy is used in page design to help the viewer process information. The hierarchy can be used in several dimension, such as color, contrast, texture, shape, position, orientation and size.

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Keyword there is HELP. I don't believe "What I've seen, cannot be unseen" is help in any sort of way?

Hey man thanks for bringing that back up again.

Quite welcome, I'll take note to spend my valuable time.. browsing these forums to have a quicker response just to satisfy you. :D

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You're as bad as "Exhausted".

"basically just advertisements" is a blanket statement - you've made your counter-point on a blanket statement.


You stay classy, San Diego.
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I don't know what's more painful, getting kicked in the balls or reading your posts.

Or you could, you know, read the few posts below that and see that other people had already pointed out that his post wasn't helpful, so you don't need to post it again FIVE PAGES LATER.

He is helping you. Helping you by saying it is hideous read into the words, Grammar Nazis are usually able to do that.
He made valid points with a touch of humor.

I'm hilarious, amirite? We're all derailing the thread... let's try to behave and continue progress on the website.

Aye captain.

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Back to the topic please?

So, what is the progress on this "project"? Who are working on it? Who is planning it? Is the GDT involved?

Right now, several different teams of people are working on the project to come up with a decent template. There are a few very promising ones, some have me very excited and I can't wait to show them to the rest of you guys.

Some of the teams have asked that I do not share them right now though, so I am respecting this until they are ready.

Cant wait to see them!

Me too :D

I just hope some old features come back, like viewing peoples profiles on the graal website, yet seeing extra things, like what guild that person is in, ect ect.

Agreed and fixed :)

Hows the website coming along?

its coming (thats what she said)

I kinda like the current website however there's alot of things that would need changed/added. I can actually see a very promising look for the site if just a few minor changes were made :o

Tho I support anyone who wants to make anything better.

A new website would attract someone temporarily, and a Subscription/Trial Mode will lose ALL interest that the newcomer might of had.

If I were to make changes to the current website. I would definitely pick 1 theme. I would make the video for the game show random servers, only I would prefer live video of the actual servers if there's anything interesting that can be shown :)

I don't understand why the navigation is all weird like this o_o. and I would like to see something like calendars with events from servers, and I do like seeing updats from server. Maybe this can be shown in a nice way on top of how the site is.

I remember reading in an earlier post that graal doesnt push developing. If I remember correctly the "player worlds" page had information about creating your own world or something. I think something more along "Graal Play it. Create it. Live it." haha

But dunno I am just as excited to see what other people have to show :)

So how is this going? Because I agree this would make a difference at least a little, but if someone had one done, no reason for me to even start.

Well unless this developed by a professional web developer (or someone capable of that kind of work) it's chances of actually getting used are next to nil, so the time spent on that would be better spent on improving/developing the actual game.

Not to repeat the past question that's been on everyone's mind for the past 4-5 years but... How necessarily?

If someone draws up something nice in Photoshop I can probably help with the HTML/CSS.

I'm a bit late to this party but I would absolutely love to see a new and improved site. I'm assuming someone's already started working on it? I still remember when the site got this change. I think it took me like 30+ minutes to figure out how to navigate the thing. And even then, it took a few weeks before i actually figured out how the whole thing was laid out. Honestly, I'm in no way suprised to hear that our current site is adversely affecting the business. And on that note, personally, I dont think the different subscription types ever helped with the disorientation either. I wouldnt be the least bit surprised if i ever learned that more than a handful of first-timers accidentally bought kingdoms/zone subscriptions instead of playerworld subscriptions or vice-versa. Assuming they didnt give up after getting lost in the first place.

When will the players of graal notice that no effort done by any player can antagonize the substantial management fails (or lets rather say: lacking attention by management)?

The whole game needs a new concept - not a new website.

Both wouldn't hurt to be honest. If your site looks like a game for that of disney and you try to sell an RPG that looks nothing like it, How will you sell your product if its not shown in the right spot?

This will never happen unless a large amount of people quit the game, everyone seems to just be sticking around for the community, or whatever else.

I would hope its obvious to everyone that the management of the game are extremely interested in making money, rather than making updates.

Again I state, why the hell do players have to pay to develope for this game? It makes no sense to me, its like a restuarant paying you to eat their dinner, pretty unlogical huh?

Lets say that most everyone quit the game today, it could go one of two ways:

1. Could be a wake up call, and the owner lowers prices, performs updates, etc.

2. He would just cut the losses and forget about the PC version of the game.

I don't bother pointing fingers at Stefan anymore. The community is just as useless as Stefan is. Seriously, no one can finish a server worth **** anymore... people are just looking for something new to complain about these days.

Since when is it the job of the community to make the game? Developers aren't even supported. Heck, the last client release was in October of 2007.

I heard that they're making a new website for the Summer (possibly to go with the client release like last time?) taking advantage of the features in HTML4, or at least I think that's what was said. I don't know anything else though.

Since people have been developing servers? Which has been going on for years now?

It's been considered (or said to be) a development platform for quite some time, thus people wanting to develop pay for an engine and server hosting which isn't that unreasonable.

If they were expecting high quality servers to be created this way, it's ultimately been a failure since it mainly attracts beginner developers / graalians.

Agreed. If they would simply focus on developing the game (updates, real staff [no offense], ect) then they WOULD probably make more money, drag in more players, ect. One of the nice things about paying for an online game is the game's staff constantly updating it. On the topic of community developers, it is reasonable if you want to make a server to pay for it. Its not reasonable for that to be the only REAL thing to do on an entire mmo.

You mean HTML 5?

Ya something like that.

That would be interesting to see. They coooouuld take advantage of WebGL to make an in-browser version of Graal...but I guess that's doubtful.

HTML5 doesn't really offer anything attractive to Graal. They need to just make an eye-pleasing navigable site. Graal should be the focus.

To be honest, I was a bit confused what was meant by taking advantage of HTML 5 for a new site lol I mean, I guess you -could- use the new canvas support or something...but that's the least of the current sites drawbacks lol