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I meant other servers have more functional events than Classic development wise to make them look better.

I never said anything about your abilities or if your capable or not, I said it doesnt happen often. Looking at your line up when you jumped on tag earlier Request+Fortbuilder+CTF, I didn't see the attempt. Recently though I have seen you host Musical Chairs which gets a thumbs up simply because I stopped and wondered "who hosts Musical Chairs these days?"

I'm referring to no specific events at all really, I'm just saying spice things up a bit and try not to be the same old thing. If other GCs are whoring the heck out of an event shy away from it, pickup some other events you dont see too often or be creative and come up with somethin you think would be fun (even if it's not that original).

That's coo, but it won't stop me from going out the circle of normally hosted events. I still get players and finish my events.

That's cause you're changing the definition of 'successful'. An event can be successful with one player, if it only takes one player to play it. Half the problem is you're switching terms around to mean things which limit down what you can do as a GC - by that logic you Drunken Stupor and Steps Elimination can never be hosted successfully because they can never have more then 4 players, and thus GCs should never host those events. It's a destructive way of thinking.

You say the curriculum of events is getting old and boring on Classic, but act as if the GCs are not responsible for that. Night really doesn't limit GCs at all as to what they can host, what style they must use when hosting, ect. ect.

I attempted a "Make Your Spar" a few days ago and only had 1 person wanting to play (Despite 8-10 ventrues doing their monthly spar tournament. Prolly bad timing). I host musical chairs once in a while to get out of the trend, but then again, that event is really boring if pk isn't on. Maybe it's not in my overall trend to host the unpopular events, but then again, they have reason to be unpopular.

No one simply finds enjoyment from altercations of current events, nor is that innovative, nor do people find the patience for an original event with extensive customary rules.

Well, not in the sense of limited player events. I was specifically referring to events such as spar tournies, or LMS' of all kinds. A 4 player event on a 30+ server just makes player participation sad, and yet there are so many wanting to apply for GC :rolleyes:.

And Drunken Stupor doesn't require a 4 playercount cap. It can go up to 6+ players if there is demand.

But Night doesn't provide up to date resources.

Yeah if they're doing their monthly you expect them to play, you gotta be smart about it if you want to get anywhere.

I get players, I finish events, and mine are altercations-innotive-and sometimes have extensive customary rules... so where are you at?

I've seen Drunken Stupor hosted on a 45 playercount, must've been a pretty BIG mistake, I'm pretty sure that GC got a good talking to by Night over that major crisis! :rolleyes:

Standard Drunken Stupor is four max, take it or leave it.

It doesnt take up to date resources so no johns.

Seriously this isn't even worth it - yeah that's right, I'm about to start making complaints that this isn't challenging enough, if you're not going to be level headed about it atleast put up a fight, otherwise I don't see the point.

Both of you shush. GCs are free to host what they want, how they want to. If a GC wants to host an "off-brand" event (different than an event out of the main circle) when he has a right to, though he shouldn't expect the amount of players to be all that great (not saying it can't be.)

If a GC doesn't want to host "off-brand" events that much, he doesn't have to. Should a GC try and switch it up? Definitely. GCs need to find a balance between "main stream" (ctf, fortbuilder, sumo,etc.,) "outside the main circle" (infection, horse race, pk fest, etc.,) and "off-brand" (bush wars, predator and prey, kill the GC, etc.) Obviously the majority of players are going to join "main stream" events more consistently than "off-brand", but a GC has every right to try and host them nonetheless.

Oh and ps: hosting a 4 player event (drunken stupor) on a 45 playercount is disgusting. People barely have a reason to log on right now, and even less of a reason to join events. Try and host events that get as many people as possible who want to play. With that being said, don't try to force events that need X number on a shaky playercount. Currently I find that many events I have to wait for 5 minutes or so to fill the final spot. What happened to the good old days when you'd get 12 pms for a 8 man spar tournament :(

Couldn't agree more.
I think I know who you're talking about who does this, he is not a GC for the right reasons; only for his personal reasons, which is disgusting in itself.

Well clel, my make your spar was an example. It was a 43 player count with only a few willing people busy. That is what I am talking about. As to the altercations point, I haven't seen those fly too well. Are you trying to say that we don't need new events because our current resources are already fine despite people now calling Classic events boring? I hope you're seriously acting stupid because having the same stuff forever and ever just won't make event participation go up. Up to date resources is a must for most servers. Other servers are heavily upgrading their events with a higher caliber, yet Classic remains the same for the past god knows how many years in their events. It's not evens only though.

Gladius, the problem is the players don't join the events that aren't hosted much. I guess you can figure out why they aren't hosted much.

Yeah... you don't know what you're talking about... I dont know why you even bothered.

*facepalm* I'm officially done here folks, good day.

lmao....I'm sorry that that's the way you come off. You just think that everything is possible on Current Classic to get it back and popping. I'm not sure where you think you could be the savior when every Active GC is trying to get player participation high again.

Quit the talk and take a try and host sometime. That'll shoot you straight

Rofl. Your arrogance is really something. If there are 40 people on (however unlikely,) a GC should host an event to get as many people involved as possible, like an LMS event. Hosting an LMS event lets everyone willing join, and thus people aren't left out.

Say you host allstar with 40 people online. Realistically you're only going to summon 8 people (since you'd have to get exactly 16 people to make it work well otherwise,) and thus possibly leave some people out. So while a dozen people or so are off having fun (maybe,) another dozen people or so are sitting on the overworld doing nothing. At that point, what compels them to stay on the server? Right now, very little.

All I'm saying is that you host to your playercount. If the playercount is shaky, don't try to host an 8 player event, because right now we're only getting 5-6 people usually. If the playercount is solid, host a 10-12 person event. If the playercount is high, host an event that lets everyone play. It's pretty lame when you're sitting on the overworld while all your friends are in an event you wanted to join but couldn't.

Anyways feel free to explain yourself if you find it worth your oh-so-valuable time.

Although that is true Gladius, sometimes you want to leave some people out, because if you are a GOOD GC , then you plan on hosting again, and again, atleast 5 times until your going to go off tag. So when you host one event, and people get left out, they know to wait for the next one, and be even faster to send in than they were the last time!

Sure throw in an all server LMS or a 32 man allstar, if you can, but you don't want to get packed out events every time, imagine the lag.

Now a days it would be nice to host to player count though considering we dont have a big one to often. But you GC guys also need to up your game a bit to, you may not have a big player count all the time, but i remember when i was GC we still didnt have that great of player count, and sometimes we had it real low, but there were some of us always hosting, 10 people on, Ok, am going to host a strain of events in studio A!! Or GC will take turns, you guys dont do this anymore, Ive really noticed that the bond the GC team used to have just went away and is no longer there.

Hmm

Gladius in your first post you state GCs are free to host what they want and how they want... you'd agree that what I'm saying is legal, though you may not see how it helps. Now your side of the picture I don't agree with, and it may be legal, but I have analyzed it to the point where I know of it's advantages/disadvantages, if I wanted to host the popular events I could do it and make the best of it, you're only one side of the picture though you don't even know where to begin when it comes to hosting unpopulars or creative mockups... the statement that "hosting Drunken Stupor on a 45 playercount is disgusting" tells the tale, it is disgusting if you're planning to host Drunken Stupor in the same fashion as a mainstream, but how you use mainstreams is only one of many styles? So I can't help but ask why are we being one dimensional?

The funny part was you said GCs can go off-brand but they shouldn't have to if they don't want to. It's like saying GCs can be helpful but they shouldn't have to if they do want to...

As for your second post Tats sums it up nicely.

Mystic, Classic doesn't need up to date resources means something completely different to me, which is a revamp, or a remake. Not getting that doesn't mean we're doomed to stay the same - You sit here and listen to me talk about being creative, doing different things, and then completely disregard it, like I threw everything I said out the window when I made the statement...

Your "less talk more rock" attitude is good and all, but I've been hosting this week with good results, so the rock part is taken care of...

I've seen a few GCs take turns hosting. Not as often as it could happen, but it does occur.

Like I've said before, a GC's job is to host fun, enjoyable, and fair events for everyone who wants to play. Personally, I don't find drunken stupor or many other off-brand events that much fun; certainly not as fun as a good ctf or lms. Therefor, as a GC, I tend to host the events I find more fun than the ones I don't find to be fun.

Judging from your posts, you sometimes find off-brand fun. Thus, by my logic above, you see no problem with hosting them. So whats the issue? Apparently GCs host events they, or the people online (requests,) find to be fun. If a GC finds off-brand events to be fun, he'll host them. If a GC finds off-brand events to not be fun, he won't host them. Should this stop GCs from hosting certain events at all? Definitely not.

Just because I don't find off-brand events that fun, doesn't mean I won't host them. Pictionary isn't hosted that often, and personally I really don't like playing nor hosting it. But I've hosted it before. I could go into more examples, but I think you get the point.

GCs host what they find to be fun. Should they still host events they might not find to be fun? Sure, if they can get the people to join. I feel that GCs shouldn't try to force unpopular events to the people, so I don't host them that much. I try to host a variety of events, but only those that I feel I can consistently get people for. If other GCs want to try to host other events, then they can do so.

I am not going to take "we have enough resources" fora an answer. The GC tool is bland, and the only nice update to it in the past few months was the return of freezetag.

Our events are un-updated. Our hosting style is un-updated and old. Other servers outshine this and we can barely attract any players from other servers who have been used to seeing events in a flash.

Renovations, altercations, and all that is nice. But that is not my idea of innovative updates.

Just because the GC might not have fun with the event, does not mean the player will not have fun with it. You have to host everything, and that means everything. From the top of the list to the bottom of the list, either through requests or your own choice. It just what being a GC comes with.

If only a minority of players will have fun with the event (much less join,) why should a GC host a "bottom of the list" event rather than a "top of the list" event that, presumably, more people will enjoy?

There is very limited real events with levels and explanation. Most other events you may be referring to are GC created from the past and not very well documented to later GC's.

You don't have to host every event possible. It'd be nice for variety, but most people just don't play those events (and when i mean that, i mean 0 people), which has been the case not to host the events you'd want to imagine.

I dont accept that, i feel if you had 4 active players, people actually looking at their screen, and you hosted something in studio A involving 4 players, that you could get 4. I just dont see anyone try to host those events, just assuming here and there.

Like I said, I don't find playing nor hosting 4 player events fun, so I won't host them. If you can find me a good reason to motivate me to host a 4 player event, then I might consider hosting them. Maybe. Possibly. Who knows. Good luck.

Sorry, Gladius, but I cannot agree with you on that. 4 player events are nice. Maybe not for larger events such as a spar tourney or a ctf, but for lms' of any sort, it is a nice out. Including Drunken Stupor and BQ.

Ok then. If you find them fun, then host them. I won't.

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Overhosting an event will kill it, in the same light as retelling the same joke over and over will murder it. An overhost of good-popular-events will kill that group of events which even further deteriorates the bad-unpopular-events. It can go no where positive, soon people will get sick of those "good" events and only want "really good" events, we lose some options. Of course this happens more rapidly if you're getting a large number of players for each good event for obvious reasons.

If you don't host certain events cause you fear you won't get the players, or you just always wanna host the better events/what people request, it's a bad call; you limit yourself + lose control, now they're expecting **** to be given to them and will boycott or just not join at all when you don't give em what they want. This indirectly (whether it's intended or not) forces GCs to stick with the popular events, else we just won't be providing service.

Now you can do whatever, obviously there's no rules on what events you host, so ya there's no point in trying to force anyone to do anything. Just don't get pissy when you get called on your mishaps.

Rofl mishaps. If you honestly think that hosting unpopular events just for the sake of "keep control" or "not limiting yourself" is being a good GC, well then you've got a very, very different job description than I do. Being a good GC is about hosting fun events for the people; so if people don't find an event to be fun, I don't see why it should be hosted.

If certain events don't get players, its because people don't like them. Why force something down their throats? "Im gonna host this event even though you don't like it, just to stay in control!". Please. Being a GC is about satisfying the masses, not doing things to "keep control." This isn't a dictatorship.

well with thor and master storm aka fidel castro / chavez in control, this whole server is about dictatorship.

Gladius, they may not be fun for you, but they are fun for others, if someone requests it, and you asked for requests, are you still not going to host it?

Sometimes you have to suck it up and host it for the players, a lot of players believe it or not, like 4 player events, why do we have them if they dont get hosted anyway eh?

This thread was about suggestions, not internal GC affairs and GC dilemma.

Even if we find some magical event that is more fun than CTF, that does not fix the deep root of the problem with GC right now, which is the stagnant useless prizes and ever inflating ticket count. Without tickets having worth, there is not a whole lot of incentive other than the event itself to play the event, there is no more economy driving events. While other methods of competition are in the works for GC events. The main problem that needs to be focused on is making tickets worth something again besides a number to collect. When that is established, players will participate in a wider range of events instead of choosing to idle if CTF is not hosted.

If you can't find any players to play another other than CTF, don't host, CTF should not be being hosted as much as it is anyway, it ruins the long term fun of the event and further inflates tickets. Unless there is a good reason to do it, such as entertaining an abnormaly large player count, etc, CTF should not be over hosted. If people don't want to play anything other than CTF, don't host, it isn't an obligation to host CTF all the time, if people know its either xxx or nothing, and GCs can't be pressured into hosting CTF, perhaps your turnout will increase in other events.

Also there's nothing wrong with events with 3-4 players in there either.
A lot of studio A events I and many others enjoy.

@ tats

If I asked for requests, and something like druken stupor or musical chairs was the winner, I'd host it. I never said I'd flat out not host a "low tier" event or a "4 player ever"; I simply said I'd host something funner, imo, if given the choice.

Say if there was a tie between druken stupor and, for example, babord survivor, I'd host babord survivor for a number of reasons. More players involved, funner to watch, less work from myself, funner to play, etc.

As for your "why are they there if they don't get hosted" thought: its not that these events don't get hosted; they just don't get hosted with the regularity as other events. Example: some items in a grocery store are going to always be bought, and other items are going to only be bought from time to time by a small minority. So why are the other items there? To keep everyone remotely happy (hey look, we have something for everyone!) Drunken stupor is there to be hosted from time to time when the situation is right. It isn't there to be hosted 3 times a day because it has limitations. A minority of players will want it, and thus once in a while their thirst will be quenched, pun intended.

As for DC's comments, I rarely host ctf anymore tbh. When I ask for requests, I usually throw in a line like "out of the box" or "underhosted" events, though about half the ppl will still pm me ctf. So I ignore them and host something else, only to find a few ppl who pmed me not join (presumably b/c they don't like the underhosted event. and by underhosted I'm not talking musical chairs. more like infection or sumo allstar.) I try to host ctf only with a playercount above 25, thus the odds of getting 8 people and a few standbys are fairly good.

Hmm lets see

"If you honestly think that hosting unpopular events just fir the sake of 'keeping control' or 'not limiting yourself'", hmm I have no real choice but to give you the title of "troll". 'Just' for the sake of keeping control? Like control is disposable and we don't even need it?!... yet

Yes Gladius, those old days where the GCs actually gave a hoot about such a worthless factor as control. Peppering in a small or unpopular to get away from the mainbranch of events a "cool down", yeah the mere idea of using those events is the same as jamming it down their throats, because those horrible events are not fun in even the slightest.

And I still have miles of explaining to do, like why control is important for authority figures like GCs, how you can use control without being a dictator, and finally how having options A+B+C is better then just having option A (limitations)... as usual presenting information to a troll would be a waste. I'm more interested in taking up the offer of making tickets worthwhile again...

Clel, you're a control freak. You want the right to pick anyone you wish when captaining ctf. You want the right to host any event, any time. You want the right to place your self-made npcs into your events to "spice things up". You want the right to make events in your test level.

Look duda, I flow with the people. If people like events A and B more than event C, then GCs should adjust their hosting to host A and B more than C. Now, no where did I ever say a GC should just host A and/or never host C. So kindly, do throw out the idea of "then just having option A" from your posts because it is simply not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, (this example is from my personal preference at this point,) that if I had a choice between a blonde, a brunette, and a red head, I'd (taking personality out of it) go for the blonds and brunettes. I simply don't like red hair that much. I don't get anything out of it. So, if you were setting me up on a blind date, I'd really prefer it if you didn't set me up with a red head. With that said, I wouldn't be opposed to going out with a red head, it just wouldn't be my first choice.

Look clel, control is not something GCs have to have in abundance. You go with the flow. You go with what works. If the opposing team isn't letting you run the ball, by golley, don't run the ball that much! If you keep losing at blackjack, by golley, find another game to play! If the majority of the players don't like a particular event, by golley, don't host it that much! Learn to adjust dude. Yes, keeping your options open is important so you don't limit yourself too much. But if certain options aren't as good as the others, you don't use them!

Only hosting option A means you're too thick headed. Hosting A B and C even though C isn't popular is just ignorant. Hosting A and B more than C, if C isn't as popular, makes perfect sense. The people make the rules on graal, not the staff. It's called social norms. People know what they like and what they don't like. Why not adjust your hosting style to their wants and needs? Because you want control? Because you want to keep your options open and not limit yourself? Common dude. I'm not saying to only host 3 events. You host what people will join most of the time. Yes, host C events from time to time, but not because you have to. Host events because either you want to, or the people want it. That's all I'm saying dude. And if that makes me a "troll", then I'll take it as a compliment.

people had hundreds of tickets pre NPC server, how is this magically a problem now?

Perhaps readd the statue auction?

Nice analogy. I'd do the same.

Im sorry gladius but I have to go with clel on this. Some how over the time you have been GC your mind has been warped on how you should host. You are still just thinking about yourself in terms of hosting and nothing else.

You should remember the old days, when GCs hosted everything in almost a day, that could still happen if the effort was put in, but no one puts in the effort. GC needs to get their bond back with each other, it used to be more like a family guild, now you all usually argue, or never communicate. Just because the event isn't as fun gladius as others, does not mean you do not host it, please understand that. We have events getting dust on them because no GC wants to host them, and i'm actually going to go ahead and contradict myself according to the first sentence i have in this post, but sometimes you have to go and say screw requests, im going to go host CoD and people will play it, im telling you people will play it. But you probably dont even know what CoD is which also could be a problem.

You need to suck it up man, stop fighting with clel, and start hosting more, more of everything, you really dont have any variety , not alot of GCs do now. None of you host nearly enough either, you all need to step up your game biiiiiiiig time.

Gladius seems butthurt (everyone's been saying it lately so why not) over the whole "troll" thing online so to clear up your confusion here's the definition I came to when I used it -

'you make points that are easily shot-down, you're not much of a threat you're just a problem that lingers, you're not arguing points that are meaningful and overrule mine, you don't even know what you're talking about most of the time - you're just saying stuff to "put up an argument" and they must be good because Clel will try to correct you rather then say "you're too dumb to get it" and walk away.'

You took it rather emotionally though, look at that big response... and you open with with "Clel, you're a control freak". Then three paragraphs of "OMG!!! IS THIS WHY I WAS CALLED A TROLL? WELL HERE'S MY STANCE ON IT!!", give it up... I started skimming after the girl bit cause I knew what you were doing... I dont even have to fight your points cause you didn't think before using em... with all the information that's been told your whole post pretty much has been raped by previous ones... that's why telling troll's information is a waste cause they don't use it.

Alright alright , I think its either time for a new thread for this subject or travel back to the GC forums for this one guys.

yeah it is starting to get ***, dont we have more important matters to discuss?

Rofl clel takes things in such a wrong direction, its not even funny. GPS please. Any and all comments I made about the "troll" thing online were very, very sarcastic. Trollsaurus? Rofl dude, common.

Anyways, from what I've gathered, you are a control freak. Its not even an attack either. Thats not a bad thing. You didn't even deny any one of those allegations, though I ponder you didn't deem it worthy of your time. Too busy scripting events, ey? No matter.

It's clear clel, that we have different perspectives on how to host. I've given my reasons why I do what I do, and you've given your reasons why you do what you do. Clearly we both believe we are correct, because it is only natural. Like I've said, I see the value in hosting a variety of events, just not to the extent that you suggest. If you don't agree with my logic, then don't do it my way. I'm not trying to covert you to A+BmoreoftenthanCism. Trying to do so would be A)impossible and B)unwise. GCs have the freedom to host how they want to. Tis why each GC has flavor; a personality. We're not a bunch of robots who summon people and do things step 1 to step 10 until the event is over. Hell nah. We each do things in our own little way, within the context of the overall rules. That's the beauty of being a GC. You can add a twist or a spin to things. You can do it your way (just like BK.)

I don't host C events as much because A and B events are much more popular. Simple as that. Doesn't mean I won't host C events (which tats seems to keep missing somehow.) You can sit in your chair and believe you "shot-down" or even "raped" my points, but lets be realistic here: you can't defeat someone's point by saying something that is opposite to it. They are your opinions. If I say "well C events aren't that fun to the majority so I don't host em", you can't say "well they might be fun to a few people so you got to host em" and think you won. Nah fool. It doesn't work that way. Those are opinions. You need facts to prove someone wrong. If you had somehow got evidence that the majority of players actually loved C events and wanted them hosted more than A events, then you would have raped my argument completely. But you didn't.

Look duda. I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I see the value of hosting a variety of events. I just don't believe all events need to be hosted as often as others. Pretty simple concept. If you don't follow my logic, then so be it. But you can't prove me wrong dude. I mean, seriously, the day that the majority likes the current musical chairs more than the current ctf sumo is the day hell freezes over. So quit acting like you won, because, really, you haven't.

I've been told to stop posting on this argument because its making the GCs look bad. Fine. But I'll leave it at this. I'll host A+B events more than C events for the reasons I've already stated. You'll host A+B+C events for reasons you already stated. So, why can't we just leave it at that? Neither of us can prove the other wrong because neither of us are wrong. It's just a different style of hosting. Both logics make sense. The logic of only hosting A events doesn't make sense, which is why it is wrong. Is one of our logics better than the other? Well thats up for the individuals to decide. Those that like C events, such as tats, will side with you. Those that like A+B events more than C events will side with me. Does it mean people won't join yours or my events? Hell nah. They just won't see as many C events when I host.

Ya see dawg, you host how you want to host, and I'll host how I want to host. It's how things are done, and its how things will continue to go. If you want to host C events more than I do, go for it. I have nothing against C events being hosted (at the right playercounts.) As long as events are being hosted on a regular basis, things should be all good, no matter if they are A, B, C, Q, or Z events.

Well, I've rambled enough. Hopefully you can see the merits of both sides clel. If not, well then don't get mad, get hosting those C events you control freak ;)

Tickets aren't the deep problem here in all honesty. As Kevin said, a statue auction would of been a good thing as well. I suggested it to Night (while he told me it was a feature before), a very long time ago and nothing still has been done.

CTF is our most popular event. Of course it is going to be the most hosted. Overhosted? I think not though. Lack of a modern events system is what kills our events.

I take it you haven't ready any of my points to Clel at all. It's okay though since Clel appears to be on the same boat as you.