They held that for supermod, a slightly more popularity-oriented job

Actually if I remember correct and the situation i am actually talking about would have been the open PWA Team thing with which im positive you were hired in.

It was done somewhat poorly as well, banking mostly on having the most "Managers" or global staff on your side would get you further on. It shaped up to be a bit of a popularity contest as well.

I think the PWA Admin is a position that needs to be more vocal in the global community. Everyone wants to know what is going on. Everyone wants to know any changes that happen. Spark did this very well.

I don't agree with hiring admins in this way.
Alot of times, the best likely candidate might be someone who is not so popular, or is known for being a stickler for the rules, and not liked very much for that reason.
Afterall, staff of anykind should be able to follow/enforce the Graal rules consistantly, and completely...but especially someone who is hired as Global staff who is in control of other staff, or staff who is in control of Graal as a whole.
Global staff should not be hired just because they are well known and liked...there are alot of other things to look at in a candidate, and they should be hired by Stefan and/or Unixmad, but they could get input about people from other Globals who are active on Graal (or someone that they know and trust), and might know candidates better than they would.

Lol, I remember Toran. I hired him for PWA back in the day >=)

Jinx was the man. =p

I agree.

No, pretty sure I know well enough when I see a childish arguement comming. :\

Oh you mean the public app. Yeah. That wasn't done super well, but I really think we got a few good ones out of it. Besides Kisharha x_x. If I were the admin and was in need of people I would probably put out an application also but make it less final; more of an informational purpose to see who's out there and what they want to do.

I had thought you meant the Koni/Kamuii vote.

I agree that Stefan/Unixmad should be hand picking candidates based on good advice and impressions from existing staff members. However, I also do not approve of apointing a new member without discussing it with the current team you're adding that person to. We've found it to be very disruptive to our teamwork.

Moon Goddess is posting in the thread so I think any childishness will be corked before it gets out of hand. I'm willing to take the risk to find out ways we can improve. Aren't you?

I agree, that you got a few good PWA who are or are not still around (Spark went on to become Global Admin, VT Quit, to name a few).


I semi agree with this, the problem is that if Stefan/Unixmad pick alone then you get situations where just people THEY trust are put in, i agree they SHOULD trust who they are putting in, but look what happened with Nemesis.

I know what you said next, i address that in a sec.

That could work also, but then wouldnt you get more of an absolutist attitude? I forget what happened between the transition of Genmo to Jinx (Or maybe it was Genmo -> Nemesis, its been so long).

Anyways you could run into a "I dont like [x]" and then they say "Well we feel [x] is the best canadate, so too bad"

Letting players pick is also a poor idea, a job like this should not be a popularity contest. Which is what Nemesis tried to turn everything into.
(We addressed the Kish thing already, I think that is a form of popularity).

The real problem is finding out what is best, and doing it.

Moon Goddess had said "...the best likely candidate might be someone who is not so popular, or is known for being a stickler for the rules, and not liked very much for that reason."

we can agree that it is most probably true, but some people can go from joking about and bending the rules, to do what is needed when it is needed.

The problem I see as well as you said Moon Goddess, is that the people who control graal as a whole should basically know what to do, one of the main problems is most of them either dont, or the ones higher up then them dont have the proper control or the proper channels to get that control.

I could go on for a bit longer but I think I said enough for now.

Oh, I agree fully that it should also be discussed with current PWA, but I don't think saying yes or no to hiring someone should be based solely on the pwa members opinions.
I think it should be all globals together discussing another globals hiring, for input and such.

Disruptive? You need an ass to disrupt the team to balance such biased efforts, which I do.

In addition, how does one member of the Playerworld Administration who inspects a world revolve around the other members? The ONLY thing that revolves around other members is to see if other members have inspected the worlds to have enough of a decision to pass a world, but we've seen that as it is with the current Playerworld Administration, hah.

Other than that, YOU can inspect a world on YOUR own time and just give it a fail or pass based on what is thought of the world, it doesn't interrupt work. Stop making excuses.

I think this was directed at me and I had to read it through quite a few times before I reached this point. I think I understand what you were getting at.

You are asking how can you be disruptive when the only way we effect each other is during an inspection, where all of us inspect a world?

Now, if that's what you're asking, you starting an argument here in the public forum is a good example of one of the many ways a PWA can be disruptive to another member of the team. Bickering with other members confuses people and shows a lack of professionalism and order that this job demands.

If you would like to discuss this with me any further you can forum PM me or contact me in the usual places. Going on any further would be both uninteresting to the public, and inappropriate in front of them.

I can respond to you and Andy on the same issue here: I agree with both of you.

I said all hiring to a team should be discussed with the team, I didn't say everybody has to agree. However, saying "Lol, he's on your team now" and everybody being confused and irritated is a bad way to operate.

As for who it's discussed with: generally (while i didn't mention it) all the globals and prominent members of the community discuss new candidates for globals, which i comepletely approve of, and I think that should be our permanent policy for input's sake.

I think this poll speaks volumes. When 72.34% of the people who voted think you are doing poor or worse, it says something. Especially considering the number of people who voted.

I'm not saying that everyone isn't doing what they are supposed to, but you can't just shrug it off and say that you don't care if other people think you aren't doing a good job, considering you are supposed to be pleasing the customer. But that is one of the biggest problems with GO being staffed by a majority of players. Very little incentive.

Well, I personally lost my super motivation when I hit the ceiling. When your superiors don't care as much as you do it's a big let down and really kills all your initiative. Btw, in the absence of an acting PWA chief, Stefan is PWA chief.

Most of the people who voted didn't even give reasons, so that leaves the question of "is the reason valid or not".
Giving reasons would be helpful so that the team could possibly work on whatever it is, if possible, otherwise they are just flying in the dark so to speak.

Personally, I can't say how the pwa team are doing as I don 't deal with them anymore, but the main problem in staff positions seems to be consistancy, equalization (meaning everyone/everything should be treated equally), and professionalism.

Pleasing the players?
Impossible....why?
Because when any staff member does their job, they become hated over time....why?
Because the majority of the Graal members DO NOT want to have to follow any kind of rules, they simply want to do what they want, and not be told that they can't do somethinhg because of rules.

It is simple, alot of Graalians like corruptness as long as they benefit from it, and it doesn't hurt them, but the minute it does, they run screaming to higher ups.