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falco10291029 02-12-2005 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
Haha, that must be nice for your ego. Round up the few people who think you're a good scripter and declare that they're the only ones allowed to judge you.

Let's see. In the past, I remember arguing with you about timeouts in the CNPC. You adamantly claimed that they shouldn't be used, using all kinds of ridiculous car analogies in attempts to make up for your lack of reasoning. After a while, Stefan arrived and proved you wrong. Am I not qualified to judge you based on this incident?
I've also seen you arguing for use of 'getplayer(#a)', which is possibly the most redundant and misguided piece of scripting possible.
And then, what was it? #v(strtofloat(#s(blah)))? I'm sure I could think of other examples if you'd like to see them.

Why am I not allowed to judge you based on the idiotic things you've said about GScript, or the fact that I've never seen you produce anything impressive?
The following argument is more to disprove your bad reasoning then to defend PS:


You can't judge someone's skills based on past mistakes. I misused a ton of commands in the past yet that doesn't make me a bad scripter. Of course someone might come back with something like "should a criminal be forgiven for the past mistakle of shooting someone?" and to save time, I'll counteract that too with the fact that misusing a script command by accident doesn't hurt anyone.

Shiftk03- 02-12-2005 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Projectshifter
If you want to get serious, I think people who can make a difference and don't, therefore are less "worthful" than those who do more "important" things, so yes, somehow I do think that people who do more important things perhaps are worth a little more than those that do nothing, but that's simply me.

I love how you guys have turned such a simple thing as my saying good-bye into a hate and bash thread, it's so nice of you. It is for such reasons I won't be missing the forums or much of Graal. I'd also like to point out that there are only a few people who are qualified to judge my scripting skills, none of which has made any such slanderous comments. So please, if you have nothing nice to say, sometimes it's best just to stop talking :) I do not feel it necessary to comment anymore in this thread, if you wish to continue to bash me, that's your choice and I will not try to fight anything anymore., is it not simply enough for you that you will no longer have to deal with me? Guess you can't please some people.
You've done nothing important for society therefore you are subject to dismemberment. Hell, you've done nothing important for Graal so I'm better then you.
Aww.. Using the logic of the brainless..

Brad 02-12-2005 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Shiftk03-
You've done nothing important for society therefore you are subject to dismemberment. Hell, you've done nothing important for Graal so I'm better then you.
Aww.. Using the logic of the brainless..
Ive done nothing at all but omgbradrox.

Kaimetsu 02-13-2005 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by falco10291029
You can't judge someone's skills based on past mistakes
Why not? Some of the mistakes I listed are pretty recent, and they're all the result of one thing: a lack of understanding of how GScript works. The CNPC example wasn't just an honest mistake; he was repeatedly shown the correct path of reasoning but chose to cling to his delusions. The getplayer thing demonstrates that he didn't understand the concept of an active player, despite having scripted for the NPC Server in the past. Don't even ask me about the #v(strtofloat()) idea. I've no idea what he was thinking there.

The point is that somebody's failings certainly do carry implications about their skill. In ProjectShifter's case, they belie an inability to think as a programmer.

Brad 02-13-2005 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
Why not? Some of the mistakes I listed are pretty recent, and they're all the result of one thing: a lack of understanding of how GScript works. The CNPC example wasn't just an honest mistake; he was repeatedly shown the correct path of reasoning but chose to cling to his delusions. The getplayer thing demonstrates that he didn't understand the concept of an active player, despite having scripted for the NPC Server in the past. Don't even ask me about the #v(strtofloat()) idea. I've no idea what he was thinking there.

The point is that somebody's failings certainly do carry implications about their skill. In ProjectShifter's case, they belie an inability to think as a programmer.

My god do I love you.

falco10291029 02-13-2005 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
Why not? Some of the mistakes I listed are pretty recent, and they're all the result of one thing: a lack of understanding of how GScript works. The CNPC example wasn't just an honest mistake; he was repeatedly shown the correct path of reasoning but chose to cling to his delusions. The getplayer thing demonstrates that he didn't understand the concept of an active player, despite having scripted for the NPC Server in the past. Don't even ask me about the #v(strtofloat()) idea. I've no idea what he was thinking there.

The point is that somebody's failings certainly do carry implications about their skill. In ProjectShifter's case, they belie an inability to think as a programmer.
For recent mistkes, yes I would agree with you. However if that same mistake isn't made in recent times with a similar circumstance, i would say then that a past mistake is totally irrelevant. Of course if the same mistake is made, then you're totally justified ;)

Kaimetsu 02-13-2005 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by falco10291029
However if that same mistake isn't made in recent times with a similar circumstance, i would say then that a past mistake is totally irrelevant
If we can generalise to the mistake of 'not thinking about what he's doing' then yes, he still makes it today. The details are different, but the cause is the same.

But hell, I'm not even required to make that point. If it can be shown that he was an incompetent scripter/programmer/thinker two years ago, it is rational to think that he still exhibits those traits. After all, stupidity isn't something that can easily be cured. The greater burden of proof is on those who claim that he has changed.

falco10291029 02-13-2005 03:25 AM
Scripting/programming improves over time, a lot.

Thinking however...well if you get somer good poitive examples of him thinking in a flawed way then i will agree.

Kaimetsu 02-13-2005 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by falco10291029
if you get somer good poitive examples of him thinking in a flawed way then i will agree.
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falco10291029 02-13-2005 03:56 AM
I'm not going to surf through 7 pages to find your point, which page shows him being stupid (i read the first couple pages and saw his misinformation, but that is knowledge not thinking ability, and i have inbferred things the same way and then later admitted i was wrong and didnt do it again)

Kaimetsu 02-13-2005 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by falco10291029
I'm not going to surf through 7 pages to find your point
That's not my problem. I've given you the information, I don't much care if you don't bother to use it.

davidpsy 02-13-2005 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
That's not my problem. I've given you the information, I don't much care if you don't bother to use it.

Can you show us the specific quotes you're refering too in that thread, please? It would be appericiated. :(.

Lance 02-13-2005 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by davidpsy
Can you show us the specific quotes you're refering too in that thread, please? It would be appericiated. :(.
They start on page two.

Kaimetsu 02-13-2005 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by davidpsy
Can you show us the specific quotes you're refering too in that thread, please?
Man, read it for yourself. His car analogy is quite comical, for instance, and pay attention to where he said he would admit his stupidity if Stefan proved him wrong.

davidpsy 02-13-2005 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu
Man, read it for yourself. His car analogy is quite comical, for instance, and pay attention to where he said he would admit his stupidity if Stefan proved him wrong.
Hmm, well personally I think you guys were making a mountain out of a molehill over weather or not timeout lags an npc server or not (not to say that it isn't important). As for Project Shifter, he was wrong apperently, he also made a bad analogy as you say. This happened a year ago though. I'm not going to judge Project Shifter based on a minor argument that he lost over a year ago.


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