i hope there will be a way to turn off all this guis and bars from graal
this startbar maybe is functional but to change the design of it makes it not lesser blocking the screen ... or maybe let it popdown if you dont have ur mouse over it like the windows startbar
i want a clear screen only with an hp bar on my server i dislike to much guis and bars on the screen
maybe you find a way to do something like this
thx :D

With the new developer guild system what will happen to servers like Kingdoms debug?

See, that doesn't make sense paying for other servers, what happened to life time membership.

Any plans for new updated dev tools?

Aside from my comment, I do have a question that can be easily answered.


When you create a dev account and a dev guild and whatnot, what does that do for you in terms of actually creating? I mean, is there an automated system that also partitions space for your guild's creations, or will it be the same uphill battle of getting hired on servers it has always been?

After this new playerworld system goes into effect, will it be possible to create a server using the old system? It's obvious that nobody likes this, so I would suggest giving the new system benefits (other than the obvious fact that you aren't directly paying for the server and that guild members get automatic rights) so that everybody doesn't just use the old system, but the choice should still be there to use the old system.

Sounds fair :)

Indeed...I don't totally like the idea of creating a server where everyone has equal claim to the server (everyone paid the same amount of money). Plus how would dispute resolution work? x_x

your english has improved...

do you mean a startbar like the one on maloria dev? or w/e...
if so...ewwwww

Does this mean we have to pay extra to work on a server?

So no more adding rights to anyone and everyone has equal rights? :(

No, that's the thing about it. No one is paying for the server. They pay for their own personal dev pack that allows them to work on servers. The person who started the guild is in charge, I suppose.

I think the new system is better.

@ elk: i mean this bar on the bottom of the newsletter screens

I'm confused.. Will we still be able to access private servers or is that what the Playerworld Subscription is for?

I prefer the old system for renting playerworlds to still be an option.

I do too. I hate the new system.

dont say you hate it...you dont even know about it =(!

Yes thats the playerworld subscription, gives access to all playerworlds

I can't be bothered to read all 12 pages of this thread. I'm just going off what people have told me.

Stefan (or unixmad) it would be appreciated if you could answer the question about if the old playerworld renting system would still be an option.

Would be good to know.. And I'm still waiting for that PM Stefan, you did say you would reply to me you know. :\

I like the new system, but the website DOES look a little kiddy =o, but didn't you guys see where it said gui it said gamecube, as in the 'mario 64' bottom bar looks like mario. Mario... Gamecube? Seeing the similarities?

As long as I can keep my current lifetime subscription account, and I can work on classic servers without having to buy ****, I'm fine.

So that means lifetime account for Classic and Private Worlds? :O

All 5 people have to purchase the developer pack separately.

Everything seems nice but...
gelat..
for ****s sake man... i'm not one for letting this turn into Maplestory... that's complete bull****
Sorry for profaness but WTH!?

What I would be interested to know is these two things:

How is the layered tileset coming along? Will this be included in the online level editor?

and...

The Developer Pack... Does this allow the manager to be leader, and allow anyone to join? This way... Not all developers need to have a gold/whatever account? Or does each member need to buy a developer pack and join a developer guild?

I have a question for Unixmad and I mean no offense with this in any way:

Why did you take such a hostile attitude with me when I wanted to present my ideas for changing Graal to you and then just go and use ideas like those anyways?

It doesn't bother me to much but I think it does reflect upon two things:
- Input from 'players' needs to be more valued and viewed upon instead of just instinctualy shunning.
- I feel you (this actually applies to all globals and Graal Admins) need to stop throwing everyone in the same box. There are some people who play on server who have no idea that they can even become "staff" on a playerworld. There are others who do a little bit of work on playerworlds and are a step higher then the previous mentioned group. You then have us 8 year going on 9 year developers as well as the management teams of each classic playerworld.

All of these groups of people should not be thrown into one box because then yes, everyone's opinion would be jack-squat with the number of opinions you would get thrown at you. It seems like in the Graal world there are only 2 categories of people currently: Player and Global.

I think things would not only relieve you of the number of questions but also increase your personal willingness to view player opinion and not just get annoyed by it if you established a chain of commands from New Trial Account to Graal Administrator.

Again, I'm not trying to come of as snide, rude or hostile at all. Just trying to bring a little light to this discussion.

As for other things with Graal v5:
It all looks really good and I'm sure a lot of misunderstandings happened which resulted in a lot of player confusion but my one question is:

Is the guild level of a developer guild really such a good idea for choosing rights? I could see a handful of problems spawning from that.

To everyone else:
I think Unixmad's and Stefan's idea for the developer pack was made mostly because of the Graal developer population's annoyance with how spread out all the developers are over lots of servers. Who knows, it may work out like they planned but I think the idea may need a little fleshing out. Hopefully input from everyone will help refine it a bit.

Anyways, tell me what you think,
- Zero

1) how would this affect those who already own a server? would they have to scrap everything until they can find at least 4 more people willing to pay more for dev subscription??

2) with 5 developers, each has their own idea of how they want to run a server. my ideas are certainly different from others and it increases the chance of everyone doing their own random thing, hence a server that wont be getting anywhere.

3) if unixmad needs more revenue, why not treat classic servers the same as playerworlds and charge them at a slightly lower price. many classic staff members are hardly ever on their own server (or at the most show up like once a month or two months), or just idling. this improves the chance of managers, owners and other staff members alike to be more active.

i forgot to mention that with the new guest/trial account thing, I think UN might lose playercounts due to the fact that it's mostly a trial playerworld or at least most trials hang out there.

Yes, let's wait until AFTER they release it to voice our concerns. You know, so they can't take anything into consideration before putting all the work and effort into changing things.
Oh, and I'm sorry I'm *****ing about being able to work on Graal, make content for Graal. I'm such a selfish bastard.

See, Stefan never really clarified. He just said that we'd wouldn't lose the tools we already had on our computer, he never really stated if we had to pay to get new tool upgrades and such. Which is why people kept asking.


Also, about complaining... well it's feedback. I think as head of CJ and such, Stefan and Unixmad, you should respect what people are unhappy about. At least people are voicing their themselves about it and telling you what they don't like. It's part of the territory, if you release something that adds a lot of new change, expect people to voice themselves. In the end, isn't it really us who use it, so why get so mad when we speak our opinion?

Wait, doesn't your sig say you don't have time to work on a server? :confused:
Amen, brudda

I don't work for a server(well I work for Graal BM), but I still like to help, like my free graphics thread. I don't really dedicate myself to a server, but I like to help when I feel I can.

I'm referring to the people posting currently.

I'm guessing this is gonna fix the problems with vista since the screenshots are with vista? :D

Yes, Graal is much, much more stable in Vista 32-bit and 64-bit versions.

does much more stable mean fixed?

All of the known bugs with Vista were looked in to and fixed. Its still possible for minor bugs, but its been tested on multiple vista machines and like I said, is much more stable and without the random crashes.

What about mac and linux testing? Specifically intel mac testing?

I really dislike the Time zone difference :(