Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realise teasing and bullying took place inside a kid's head. Damn those bullies are getting pretty technologically advanced. Idiot. I said I wasn't refering to the neglect part that you were talking about. I was referring to your little anti-social comment.


Real mature bud. But guess what, this isn't a religion thread, and not everyone is your religion.


14.


"I hate adults because they banned me for cheating on a game", That is pretty much what you said bud, it's too late to take your words back.

VT, that was stupid.

Thanks for wasting a minute of life. I won't even post within the thread the reason I think that post was stupid. That would waste more minutes of life.

Hah.

Say, Malinko, what characteristics is it that you and Moon Goddess possess that you think make Stefan and Unixmad regard you favourably?

Hell if I know.

To be honest, I don't care. I just know, one night, Stefan asked me to be PWA. Simple as that.

Other than that, what business is it for Googi? I mean, Moonie is the forum administrator, deal with it. Just follow the rules unixmad and her wrote. You can challenge them, but if rejected, then oh well! Just follow them rather than being so difficult.

If I was really apathetic enough about it to do that, I would have just left and joined Something Awful or something by now.

Someone's full of **** :D! Your sister 14 and has a 13 year old daughter. Good job.

Oman you caught me!

That's what we're all thinking? speak for yourself, not for the rest of us.

Nailed it! Took the words right out of my mouth.

I think Moonie should quit and we bring back Lycia.

What?
Your hatred for me, based on my job on the forums has completely blinded you, as well as a few others, to the whole point of this thread.

I asked a simple question, out of curiosity, but most of the answers were based on my job on the forums, which had nothing to do with the question.

What did I expect? Exactly what happened.
I knew that some would use this thread as an "I hate Moonie because she is a bad mod", and I also knew who would do it. I wasn't wrong.
But, I did get good input from a few people, so I'm happy.

Of course you "knew". Yet you still made the thread... You know 4 out of 5 dentist don't pick you Moonie. By the way I don't think you are a bad mod. Your modding has never really effected me at all. I just don't like you and your attitude towards others. Why can't you be more like Okiesmokie? :)

Yes, because I knew there were members who could be mature enough to answer my question. :)

Because I am me.
I don't try to be someone I'm not.

Who are those members?

I asked the guy I work who is 37 and told him about this situation and he told me that its pretty sad that you are playing this game with a bunch of teenagers. He asked if you use this game as an ego boost since you can control anyone in RL? He said its like himself playing against his kids in basketball and useing his size and age to his advantage. His kids are 8.


P.S. Ahah he has been saying "Mom I am hungry!" "SHUT UP! I am playing Graal and deleting peoples post!". lol

So everybody who moderates a forum have to be a young person? Or is it just because graal is a game, and a game forum MUST have moderators younger than 20 or 30?

Wikipedia says:

"A forum moderator is someone granted special powers to enforce the rules of an Internet forum
Almost all moderators on all forums can move discussions to different sections of the forum, "close" or "lock" discussions to prevent users from continuing to discuss them, edit the content of individual postings, answer question ..."

Ask your fellow why he is playing basketball! Adults shouldn't play games or is he emotionally disturbed?

I hate that thinking in black and white. Let the people the freedom to do what they like to do, as long as they dont break the rules of social life, which includes rules of a forum.

Read the thread, they are easily recognized.

No. I feel no need to boost my ego, nor do I feel the need to control anyone either on the game or in real life.
I also don't feel the need to ask someone else in real life about something I am asking input for from actual players on the game.


That would be pretty sad if I were to do that, but I don't.
That's probably why my family doesn't mind what I do in my recreational time.

You are using this thread to attack me and my personal life, which you know nothing about. Not that it upsets me, really.
I know how my life is, my family knows, and we are all very cool with it :)
You can keep pretending all you want, that you know all about me personally if it makes you feel better.

See, I would rather not pretend that I know a person, and why they do things, that is why I made this thread, to try to find out why age makes such a difference on Graal. I may have to scroll through the "I hate Moonie because...." posts, but I am still getting the input I asked for here and there.

It seems to me like he thinks that parents either should have no leisure time at all without their kids, or just not play games if you are a parent, because if they do, they surely neglect their children. That is what I get out of his posts.
Or maybe he thinks that parents should not play games that other children play, which is sad.
I like to play video games with kids, is that horrible? I like to play childrens board games with kids, is that horrible?
When my kids were playing baseball, I liked to play with them (all the kids), is that horrible? Or is it just online games? If so, what is the difference?

Well lets jump back on track!

What is your conclusion for why age matters?

A variety of reasons, but I think the main one is that kids play Graal to get away from their parents, or adults in general.
I think kids are more against parents (especially moms) that play Graal, then adults in general.

Wait, "blinded?" You thought we weren't aware that what we were talking about wasn't directly related to the original question? We realized that. We also realized that we could talk about things in this thread that, if we talked about them in other threads, would result in thread closure.

You're too young to know that ;)

only in kentucky only in kentucky jking don't get mad if ur from kentucky

I don't think Sam realizes the difference between games and video games.

You know the forums is part of this game, right? So, what you do on the game client does reflect you on the forums and visa versa so there's no need to try seperate them.

Out of curiousity was I one of the people who you assumed (ass of u and me [I love that so much]) would be doing this?

Spam? LIES LIES LIES!!! I thought everyone wanted to know if I was going to the toilet.

Only when they act like moms.

Kids don't want a clean environment, they don't want a pristine little haven for their little uncorrupted minds. They have that in real life. When they play games like Graal, they get to have unhindered access to other people. They get to learn about what other people are about, and they get to act as virtuous or as dishonest as they want to.

Having some woman trying to raise them on the internet probably upsets and disturbs them.

Agreed. I do believe in my oppinion it all comes back to the whole freedom for younger people to play a game without adult supervision or atleast at a minimum. Me being 18 and classed as an adult I probally should act more mature towards you, but I probally wont.

I don't think many disputes arise because of age. The nature of the dispute is the cause.

Smashing reply.

GO TO YOUR ROOM JOHHNY! I MEAN IT!

I bet there's gonna be like online parenting/babysitting in the future.

Because you nag about every little thing you see.

Do you have some kind of evidence? Or is this just what you want to believe because it gives you some kind of sense of identity to view Graal as a bunch of renegade kids who need some kind of "mother-figure" to "show them the way"?

Look, I am not a mother figure to anyone except my own kids, nor do I want to be. I am not here to be a mother figure.
Yes, I am a Mom, so sometimes motherly instincts kick in, that is part of who I am because I am a mom.

I posted the way I see it, based on posts here, and things said to me over the years, and I know not everyone feels that way, but I think a lot do, and you thinking it would give me some sense of identity is just sick.

If someone asks me for advice as a mother, I give it gladly, not because I feel all motherly towards the person, but because the person asked me for help.
Only if asked.

Gee, I wonder where that came from.... :rolleyes:

Haha, where are they getting this whole mother and child thing from. Some of you people are crazy.

I don't know but it's annoying.

That's what a sense of identity is.

"Just sick"? Could it be that I've attacked the weak spot for MASSIVE DAMAGE?

Of course, if that's the case, then why are you moderating? Is it some kind of moral or ideological imperative? Or could it be because it's the only job you've ever had?

I love how moonie didn't shoot down this one with the usual 'It's not about the forums.'

I also love the fact that if this thread was created by anyone else, and these comments were given, it would've been closed a long time ago.

Just to add to this, Moonie your kinda a smartass a lot of times. Now I understand your being spazzed and insulted all the time but....on a more serious note you probobly shouldnt even reply to those things. Act alil more professional maybe? Just a thought by me.

Uh, you need to ask the members who have been giving you trouble this question, not the forum members.


EditReply: (Stupid 8 hours thing):

I dont know if you will believe me or not, but its fine either way. I logged on, went to the religion thread, where i saw Moonie had posted (I always check these threads she posts in last, because i get to see Zany and obscure reasons threads have been closed usually, its like a game, only not fun). I saw her post, highlighted it, copied it, came here, pasted, reworded, submited.

I checked your thread out just now, at least we seem to think on the same page ^^

Did you just read my other thread? >:P

Wow...
This thread has really pissed me off to tell you the truth

First off...I'll answer the question.
Moonie, I don't know you at all, and I've never had any contact with you either with your duties to graal or just in a conversation. There was one case...where I think I already said my view on this in another thread. I've got no problem with older people playing mmo's. In fact, I think it's damn cool that an older generation is into this form of entertainment.
However... I'm 19 and I guess from what some of you have said I could be viewed as being to old, too o_O
So, how about my views from an earlier time?
When I was...oh...maybe 14 or 15 and when Sanstrata was around I found out how old Prozac was. That was the first time I'd ever heard of somebody older playing. Definetly a big shock... I didn't really know how to react. I thought it was kind of wierd at first...the thought of somebody almost old enough to be my parent playing this game. I didn't hate him because he was older, but I kind of avoided him (sort of). He was older, and I just didn't think I could relate to him...at all. I talked with him every now and then, but not for long. I didn't see myself becoming friends with him and talking to him alot. I think that's the problem right there. People just see those of another generation as being too different and cant really intereact with them. I never had any thoughts of "omg he's stepping in on our world, how dare he!" or anything like that... I just couldn't possibly see us as being on the same level.
I've noticed something...after I graduated from high school... that mindset took a drastic change. Before, adults were a whole 'nother world away, but lately I havn't seen myself as being as distant as I considered us to be in the past. It was around this first year of college where I started seeing them all as *people* instead of just "the adults."
Here's where I start guessing tho
From the sounds of it, you've got that going on. Your in this community trying to be a part of it regardless of age. You see every other member as just another person, but its one sided. If they're in this thinking like I was, they can't really see themselves socializing with you and it would be strange to do so.

Exactly what I was saying.


....ok this has already been said...but...
Don't be an *******. To you all the rest that throw out claims to how things are in her life and critisizing her parenting...just stop, alright? You have no right to step in and pretend you know ANYTHING about her life.

That is really offensive. To ME, and I was never even involved in this x_X People are *******s everywhere and saying that your normal if you don't get ripped on or singled out alot puts you in with them. You sound like one of those on the other side of things, picking on people just for the hell of it.

Good lord is this hypocritical... critisism for playing a game because its a video game from other people that enjoy it. By that logic....
You people are pathetic! Playing graal...pah! MMORPGS are for nerds. YOU NERDS!! Go outside, play some soccer, hang out with your friends at a cafe...anything other than video games.
It's almost like a culture shock here x_x some people live diffferently than you see things. Video games *are* games. And games are...well...games. Older people can't play them? What about the parents that play poker online? Is that more acceptable to you? Basketball you approve of, no problem we already know that.
Why shouldn't an adult play a video game? Why should they be excluded? Younger generations are the ones that typically find fun in digital goodness, yes. If somebody else thinks its enjoyable, your just ready to toss it aside and tell them that its not right for them to be playing? Let people just live their lives. Let em do what they think is fun, who are you to say that its wrong? (Why is it wrong? It's not)



I don't know anything about the extent to which she censors and moderates (and plz dont respond with example after example...I really don't care) but...uh... right... freedom is good and all but the way you put it sounds like anarchy. "to be as virtuous or as dishonest as they want to" (note: I'm kind of reading this and thinking extreme examples) You want no rules. At all. Almost on the verge of rewarding people for being dishonest selfish jerks. If they're unhindered and can do whatever the hell they please without anyone to stop them, well life is good for them but watch out if your in their path. Rewarding, because they get what they want and theres not a thing anyone can do about it. However you would still have those virtuous in the bunch that won't stand for that crap. Wouldn't...that...kind of be Moonie right there? The virtuous one stepping in and watching out for the people as a whole and trying to keep the rules, right the wrongs and try to stop the evil bastards from the "do what thou wilt" train of thought.

edit: Also...she's been put where she is by the people that run the game. As an established professional company, cyberjouers can't just let it's community (the main selling point for something like this) go untamed. If they're trying to sell it as a game friendly to young kids, they have to make sure that it is just that. If that's what it's supposed to be and youve got people running around swearing their heads off left and right and tearing each other apart....
well...
That's bad business.

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I know this thread is (edit: was) a long read...so you probably skipped it...but you missed *why* she said that.
She got that conclusion from the answers of other people. They gave her that answer, she didnt just pull it out of her ass.

I just wanted to know her children's social status to compare it with their tolerence for their mother's MMO-gaming.



People play sports until they're like 50, but video games are different in society.

i dun haev friends -emo cut-

I DO NOT ACCEPT

Ask society that drew me into the opinion. Kthx

Who's to say it's not wrong?