If Classic gets over the past and makes a new server, it'll be a new server. That's how we get stuff like Zone, and all the good and bad that implies.

Then someone else will make a Classic Classic server, and they'll get shut down officially or unofficially, because there has to be a bizarre bloodline tying any Level13.graal to the original Server, you can't just break the line of succession.

What is it about expansion do you people not understand? You don't have to replace Classic landmarks when there is plenty of EMPTY SPACE all over Classic. It seems like the people in charge see a location on the server and think "this place isn't that important, I'll just drop one of my own projects into the level, nostalgia be damned!". It has been going on since the new overworld was released. I think the people in charge see these places as prime real estate for their own version of Classic. Is it because the people in charge can rebuild in their own image, to ensure their own place in Classic's history? I cannot say for certain, but if so they need to break from that way of thinking.

So what if Angel Clan doesn't see as many people as it did back in the day? What is so much important than it that you need to replace AC? Why remove the Singles Bar and replace it with the GC studios (don't get me started on the stupidity of the location)? I just don't get it.

My point proven by maximus. It wouldn't of mattered what real estate I said, the end result would of been the same. I recall Thor readding a pond by Zols and those that didn't remember it being there having a hissy fit. It was an area the equivalent of 20 tiles maybe and the drama that came from it was ridiculous.

Thor is not trying to remake it in his image. He is trying to remake parts of old classic that were coveted by so many but add in some fresh, new things so its not so out of date. It would just be nice for once in Graalian history if a developer didn't have to get bashed against walls for their effort when they even begin discussions of some actual change.

Ever wonder why it is Classic has been through so many dev admins in the past few years? Because they can only handle the abuse they get for so long before they decide it isn't worth their time and effort to continue for people that will be completely ungrateful in the end anyway.

There's always room in Big City. So much, in fact, that I sank the damn thing.

Here's the central Graal Classic Paradox: Nostalgia. (I renamed Silmarilia for a reason).

What happened to Big City?
I put a volcano in the middle and sank it.
But I liked it!
It's still available in Nostalgia.
But it's not the same! The backpal is different!
Fine, I'll turn off the backpal and setpics so it uses the old pics1.png
It's not the same! It's in an alternate world, not the main world! I won't be happy until it's on the main world!
Fine, I'll revert the entire server until it's exactly the way you remember it.
But nobody's playing! When I remember it there were lots of people playing all the time! And it's not the only server anymore!

Classic was The Only Server. You can't make Graal2000 work, because it's not The Only Server like it Should be; it's not even An Official Server, it's a derivative work, a knockoff.

Some of us won't be happy until Unixmad descendeth from on high and says "Okay, Graal is now just one server, this one right here, and it's free to play forever, go have fun." That's the only True Classic.

Realistically speaking, currently, there's only Classic's Derivatives:
The Quest Server
The Newbie Server
The Free Server
The Oldschool Server
The Official Server
and The Server I Got My House On

Most of these are mutually exclusive....

I'd love to come back and make an Oldschool Free Newbie Official Server people can put their houses on, but that'd require Unixmad to care enough to promise not to permaban me for implementing a Newbie Password System...(and, you know, a staff, and money to host a server, and time...;-D)

So really the solution is to close down all other servers.

my favorite classic approach is bring back tyhm.
get rid of all the cool-acting admin dudes who feel important while not contributing anything. give tyhm 2 years to work on something big.
then return.

I'd work for Tyhm again in a heart beat. I always felt his vision of classic was the most in line with what classic really is/was.

I have considerable level making skills. Granted they would be for the most part underutilized in a true classic project. It's still possible to make good levels witha classic look/theme.

He'd have to put up with my endless jokes regarding what Tyhm it is.

we should vouch for tyhm to return.

Meh, won't do me any good if I DO come back; the owners still won't listen to me, we won't have a default codebase for movement/combat/baddies, and even if I put Classic back to the levels we all remember and love, nobody's gonna be playing it 'cuz graal.com goes to "Zone, Kingdoms, or Poker!" - and without Owner Approval I can't make it The Free Intro Server at Classic.Graal.Com or anything.

then make classic apart from graal, we'll buy off the server itself:p and make it a free based game:P i dunno

The only level ever populated is level14. Lets scrap the rest.

What do you mean was? It's still there.

There's plenty of empty houses all over the overworld but rather than using those buildings and areas, every single LAT Admin has decided it'd be better to get rid of what's already there while the overworld remains huge for no reason.

The dev admins get this abuse because they were seeking to become dev admin for their own gains rather than for the good of the players. Every single Dev Admin and admittedly a vast amount of the dev team have come to become staff for selfish reasons, looking for praise for the work they're doing.

When it doesn't come, you see it as them being upset at people being ungrateful, I see it as them being upset because no one liked their work that was going to revolutionize and save Classic and permanently attach their name to the server.

which is kinda pointless cause we'd be lucky to see Graal last another year or so with a heavy hitting recession and parents finally restricting their children from using credit cards

Graal The Adventure

I hardly see how I'm proving your point. I fail to see the connection between a simple edit (your example) and the complete removal of a certain area (which I am complaining about).

I'm not sure if you're directing this at me, I don't ever recall criticizing him for that. I am talking about the big things, I don't care about a revision to a level (as long as it has some semblance to what it was originally). I'm talking about big things, like how you suggested the LAT team should remove SN (a long standing Classic landmark) for something unimportant.

I'm going to agree with Kevin on this one. They don't quit because of the abuse (they try to trigger seizures in the abusers!). They quit because they're shocked to learn that all the work they said we wanted was actually hated and the complete opposite of what we've been asking for.

WOW whoever Voted on CLASSIC is a retard classic suck today , only gta was good