Yes i agree also on skinable servers for both rc and client. I belive it should be done by if player enters they download the skin afterwards they need to reboot and the new skin displays. Also built in rc? Hellz nom there's no way am going to logg on rc just to be on player? Why should i? This feature for built in should only be for mac since they already have it soo i heared. Why make it bad for the rest of us? I for one don't like this idea of a rc on player. I mean come on add some new features but don't screw it up for the rest of us... Is this a reason for idle rc? Shouldn't there be a time stamp on people who are idle? You can have a script that simply you move your mouse over that person name and it would show how long the person been idle. Other features such as smiley on rc/welcome note (like updated news for staffs) are good features to start with. Gezze i swear if this happens i would quit graal.

You make it sound as if RC should be a salty snack. :p
I guess you will be quitting Graal. You guys seem to misunderstand what integration will mean. If implemented correctly there will be numerous advantages to both players and developers in comparison to standalone programs. Integration does not mean you have to run client mode to access RC (unless this is the plan, which would be a bad idea). It should mean that client mode and rc mode can be accessed individually or simultaneously using one program. I agree that this will be horrible with bad implementation, but I have confidence that this is inevitably a step forward for Graal. Lets just see what happens before we dismiss the idea.

Ok that's acceptable if it's a shortcut to a few clients when you load Graal Client. But I still don't want this built in crap i mean these ideas seems to be from Mr Python himself i mean afterall he did start the project without asking or letting anyone vote for the stuff? I mean gezze before you go running doing stuff atleast let people vote,secondly he seem like he doesn't want to hear that people still wish to have there external rc. I have seen 80% of people have voted they want there external rc and yet this dude continues on his own little project. Are you the only person who plays graal? I know he came on the board to ask for ideas but adding a built in clinet to graal would suck. I mean if i intend to help out a few other playerworlds and i have rc on 2 servers mean i must get on 2 clients? A built in client should be for mac only now windows. And he said we must minimize stuff gezze this guy want stuff his way. I like a few of his ideas to update the rc but not this one x.x I mean if we must add in more stuff to rc such as skins or emotions...ect wouldn't this cause more lag? Also i notice my rc laggs when am saving backup files of the server soo i guess my client would crash when i try to download 2000+ levels. Yes go ahead Python take away the fun for graal staff x.x

I was under the impression that Jagen is merely the mechanism by which STEFAN'S wishes and requirements are being met. So you can't really blame Jagen for merely doing what Stefan wishes him to do...

Sorry but my nick name Is Jagen, not 'Python', it says so in my profile, and sorry that I'm using Stefan's ideas, not my own, read the post, someone or I have said that Stefan wanted it integrated into the client, I just volunteered to work on it since he's, seriously, if you're going to quit because of making things easier to work with then oh well, no one is telling you that you have to be staff. Why mac when you also have linux? One reason Stefan wants to do this

Advantages:

It will be much more customizeable(sp? It's 5:30 am, I jsut woke up, I'm tired)

It will be much easier to add new features

Instead of uploading and opening the client you will be able to edit, then immediatelly see your changes and test them

Skins would be 100% scripted basically, once the new engine is released you can make gui profiles that define the images and colors and stuff, so skinning would be easy

I get the point that people want to external RC, I have nothing to do with it, I'm just working on my project so Stefan doesn't have to have another thing to finish, he's been staying up till 7am for the past few days he has so much work to do already, I just wanted to help him out, I don't know much c++ and I doubt he'd give me the source for the external RC so I can't really help with that

External RC will still be enabled I think, it just wont be updated anymore and have all the new features the scripted RC will have.

And finally, instead of assuming that I must be evil for wanting to help out and start bashing me, why not offer suggestions to add to it to make it better? -_- I thought I said I wanted constructive critisism, not 'omg he sucks omgomgomgomghestakingaway my stuffzimgsdidf'

Beware the one eyed python.. ermm I mean snake. :p

You're in direct contact with Stefan tell him every one wants the option to not be on player at the same time. So we can choose which one we want to be on. ;)

Oh I know one thing I've always hated! Make it so RC's massing on player accounts are treated as regular mass messages and only mass messages on RC are the ones that go through ignoring regular mass messages. (not sure if with the new set up its one and the same)

it really couldn't be too hard to make a RC in the client... and OUT of the client, I mean.. you just take the script.. and do some more stuff I don't understand, could you not make TWO versions? what if i'm on a pentium with 16mb of ram, and a 500mb hard drive? hmm? how am I going to run RC... *EXAGERATION!!!*

you get the idea, tho I assume you're going to repeat yourself about how stefan want's it...

Jagen, we made tons of suggestions, we just hate not having the external RC, it is an Administrative tool, not something that should be added in the public client.

I must be the only one who likes the idea of a scripted RC? Sheesh.

It's because they don't really understand what it means.

That's a rather ignorant statment. Especially considering the primary concern isnt wether its scripted or not but wether or not we have to be on our player account to be able to be on RC as well. Which I'm guessing if Jagen is scripting it we will have to but I could be mistaken on that part.

How is it ignorant? Most of the people against it don't understand it. All I'm saying is wait for more details and information before saying it's a bad idea and Graal has gone to hell.

any program is scripted you *****, wtf are you talking about

it uses graal script so you can do fancy stuff with it further on down the road, I assume that's what they mean. (I only say assume because I'm not 110% sure.)

Hmm.. as previously stated....

People are ignorant.