Ok thanks Unixmad for the clearing up. I am excited and can not wait! What do you guys use to make the animations for Graal 3D i am really interested in learning.

This sounds good :D

I checked. So far they all seem to have the orange bar, the metallic kind of time display and that multi-coloured 'start' button which reminds me of Mario 64 for some reason.

I didn't see where he explained it fully. You just did. Thank you. :)

So you mean. It's just soft of like a (GUILD) but has the privilege to construct a server? So If the PW takes about 1 year to develop that's 24 Dollars per year. Oh and will it be free once it's in Classic Tabs like most servers do.
That is awesome if it's true.

They are modifiable with Windows' themes with the .wba extensions, from what I believe.

So it's my fault I've been given bad or incomplete information to digest now? I can only read what's in front of me. I'm not some ub3r-l33t Kaimetsu-loving yes-man who gets top secret xxx trotsivahax1337 access to Graal v5 (unlike, apparently, many people in this thread) - I can only read and react what I've seen. Okay, I've not seen much, and what I have seen was confusing and seemingly restricting.

Next time, they can either:
*Be clearer in their newsletter next time
*Not post a newsletter

I believe they chose option number two. However, I do appreciate Stefan himself saying that we're not paying to develop or for developer tools, only for a playerworld building guild (or whatever). As long as it doesn't affect my work or my server, I ultimately don't care. When it might affect me, I have the right to an opinion regardless of whether or not Moon Goddess is going to delete that opinion.

1.) I really all the new features and such and am really hoping to get to work with those new script functions/features soon. However I have a few questions or gripes.

Issue 1:

I understand DEVELOPER TOOLS ARE FREE. However, what will be included in this developer PACK? Anything special?

No. It's $120 per year. Because you need 5 people with dev packs. And $2 a month per dev pack a person.

5 x $2 = $10 a month for server acces. Times 12.

And now that you DO know the information you don't seem to be as mad at it as you were before, learn the facts before you *****.

You use windows themes to edit the guis contained within Graal? That's just odd....

Hmm, I have no more info then what you have read in the news letter, and it was all pretty clear to me, except the development subscription, which was just cleared up...

and, I didn't delete any of your posts

graal://Litheria produces the exact same bar. I assumed that this orange one would be the graal v5 default but I'm guessing that it is / will be able to be changed... what's the object name of it?

Good to see that it's customable. And by the way, this is totally offtopic, but reply to my PM please - you said you would! :cry:

No actually you pay for yourself a month and the PW is free because you just make up a Developer's Guild and create one. If the guild goes below the minimum members than I guess the PW is gone.

exactly

The PW is gone until you have 5 developer members again.

Ok let's start a constructive discussion; I have cleaned the topic so we can try to start with good base:

1) If you have question asks them, Stefan and I will try to answer them
2) Try to give idea or suggestion this is always better than giving raw critics

and That's so much better. Thanks for trying and clearing this out.
Stefan and Unixmad :)

What will happen to the current Server Owners :O?

Can servers enable/disable the PM list? If not, please understand that alot of servers want it disabled since it interferes with in-game systems.

Aight.

If you want to help out on multiple servers, can you just buy one of these dev packs and join the servers or would you have to buy a dev pack for each one?

Or have I misread it and only the 5 people have to buy the dev packs and they can give players rights to the server like normal?

They will probably stay like they are right now, but could be switched to the new system as well (but be bound to the owners account instead of to a developer guild)

You mean the PM window? The playerlist cannot be disabled right now, but it would be possible to customize the PM windows.

yea i think that as developer you can join multiple developer guilds to help out

Can't you make it so it CAN be disabled? I mean, let's use an example:

* Server has an in-game "nation war" or similar going on. In their scripted system, members of different "factions" can't send messages to each other.
* Player A overrides this system by sending a PM to Player B (that's in an opposite faction), thus ruining a major concept for the server.

Seriously, hear me out, ALOT of scripters and server managers would REALLY appriciate if the PM window could be disabled.


And Stefan, take 2 minutes and reply to my PM please.

Also, what will be included in this developer pack?

When the developer guild is established and the developer pack bought, then the server is online

When will graal 3d come out and will there be different subscriptions for 3d playerworlds? Does a developer pack enable 5 people to develop a 3d playerworld when graal 3d comes out?

Each developer can join 2 guilds so be part of 2 projects.

3D will be announced o.o
there isnt even a 3D playerworld yet...

The playerlist cannot be disabled, people could chat via ICQ/MSN etc. or teamchat anyway, I don't really see how you could avoid 'cheating' with it. And we could still display 'You cannot send PMs while the war is going on' with the new scripted PM system.

Then in a way, it "can" be disabled?

Graal3d software is close to be finished, our main problem now is to organize assets (graphics, 3d models...) so developer can use them.

Another problem we have to resolve is to reduce the CPU/MEMORY needed to run a 3D world, right now we can only run a few servers on a BI/XEON computer, you can imagine costs are to high.

Stefan is it possible that you can add a referral system? For ever member referred who upgrades there account the reffering member should receive something. That way more people come to Graal.

Think about it, this should cut down on the number of playerworlds that can't get enough staff to even develop. I don't see where this is a bad thing other thing since one of the major complaints has been the lack of talented staff to go around compared to the number of playerworlds.

agreed

It would be awesome if the GUI was customizable. The new GUI just looks too big for my tastes.

Also, I've noticed that some people have different log-on screens in GraalV4; are there multiple skins? If so, how do you choose which one you want?

You would receive a big "thank you."

It's a bad thing because it means less people paying for playerworlds that just sit there doing nothing.

I mainly play Kingdoms, but I will not be renewing if it means having to pay separate fees to play other servers. Kingdoms is going down the tubes right now anyway, and I don't want to pay to see it all happen with no hopes of playing other servers instead.

But I do think the dockable list and video capturing methods are pretty nice.