Nemesis is waiting on the PWA team to be assembled before he reviews Everworld.. although he has looked at it.. he told me he likes what he's seen. Criminal's information was correct, Nemesis WAS considering not reviewing because of that (Moon Family) thing.. Nem says the PWA team is almost done, then he'll look at it, and send to Stefan.


That's what Arcadius told me today.

PS. Moon God, Arcadius wants to get in touch with you to talk about that Moon Family inncodent.

He should already have my . email , Aim, and ICQ . I don't keep any of that a secret.

Heres my idea for Payed Server Hostings:

1.) There are 3 tabs: Gold, Classic, Player (Or call it payed/rent)
2.) The Classic AND Player are both payable servers, except classic has something different to it.

You cant get into the classic tab without passing the PWA. People may think well no point in that, just go in Player tab. But if we offer some sort of reward, such as maybe 5MB extra ontop of plan they pay for, AND $x off the price of the plan, it will make it appealing. Also maybe if we limit PAYED 'Player' servers so that there is a lower MAX of players and a limit to unpayed accounts, people will submit via the PWA. By doing this, graal gets:

a) Quality servers to play on
b) Less limitations on servers, if they pass.

And the people submitting will get:

1) More space
2) More players aloud on at once
3) Be in the 'Classic' tab
4) Cheaper Plans

0_0

There ya go.

Why limit something you pay for?
Thats like Graal can only have 5 gold accounts :megaeek:

If 100 player want a pay server then thats alot of money for Graal
and:

Player+Playing+Gold=Money
Money=Happy GraalOnline Team
Happy GraalOnline Team=More imrpovements
More improvements=More Player
More player=More player buying Gold
More Player=More Money
Money=Happy GraalOnline Team
Happy GraalOnline Team=More imrpovements
More improvements=More Player
More player=More player buying Gold
More Player=More Money
Money=Happy GraalOnline Team
Happy GraalOnline Team=More imrpovements
More improvements=More Player
More player=More player buying Gold
More Player=More Money
....


Yeah and You can do the same with servers :O!
More people buing server=More money
More money=More improvements
More improvements=More people paying for Playerworlds
More people Paying for Playerworlds=More Player
More Player=More Gold Accounts
More Gold Accounts=More people that want pay for a Playerworld
More people paying for pws=More money
More money=More improvements
More improvements=More people paying for Playerworlds
More people Paying for Playerworlds=More Player
More Player=More Gold Accounts
More Gold Accounts=More people that want pay for a Playerworld
More people paying for pws=More money
More money=More improvements
More improvements=More people paying for Playerworlds
More people Paying for Playerworlds=More Player
More Player=More Gold Accounts
More Gold Accounts=More people that want pay for a Playerworld
More people paying for pws=More money
More money=More improvements
More improvements=More people paying for Playerworlds
More people Paying for Playerworlds=More Player
More Player=More Gold Accounts
More Gold Accounts=More people that want pay for a Playerworld
More people paying for pws=More money

I hope you see my point o.O

There wont be more servers becoase of people paying for them. They will just spread further over the ones that are online until we have lots of servers with about 4-5 on. And still the same few with a good count.

Some people saying 30-60 a month?

My domain costs 7.50 a month... and if I bought a PW or payed for mine, Id only want npcserver, g-server, remote control and cpanel... dont care about website.

and id only expect to pay around 8-10 a month.

unless of course graal company is willing to offer major assistance with certain resources we may need, ie scripting gfx sounds etc.

and accomidate our requests for new features, give us ability to add new features (commands etc) and suck.. then. and only then would i be willing to pay 10-15 a month.

my suggestion is to do a custom package option....
where you put prices on everything and let the owner choose what he\she wants.

because if website comes in every package.. i dont want that. why should i pay for it?

also.. stefan has told me that pw's currently up now will get about half a year free hosting.

Hmm... can globals buy one I wonder?
---Shifter

I suppose so. As long as its not a 'PW' else that would mean you would have 2 jobs which is not allowed. So if its just testing then that would be cool. Maybe people like GST and PWA should get a server so they can test things? And the PWA so that they could see the scripts that dont work offline working online.

I kinda like that... Although maybe there could be three tabs:

Gold, Silver, Bronze

Gold servers would be cream of the crop servers, like GK or whatever... Silver would be good servers but they aren't as impressive, and bronze would be whatever is left over. If you can make a server that is good enough to go into the Gold category, your server would be nearly the first name they see on the list when they open Graal. (instead of on the 3rd tab halfway down the list)

Then maybe there could be the benefit stuff for each class of server. Like Gold gets to use better servers, a price discount (or more profit for each player they get to upgrade), Silver gets a price discount, and bronze is just the basic package.

I definitely think the better servers should be rewarded. I mean it's a lot of work to make a good playerworld, and the managers aren't getting anything out of it (unless they make profit), but having a faster more reliable server, or having their server listed first, would give these managers more motivation to keep their playerworld good.

I totally agree with you konidias, being an awesome server and getting absoulutly no benifits would be *****ic and unuseful to the managers to work at all. Motivation is a main factor into becoming a great server or for anything in the real world. Wihtout any kind of motivation, the server won't be any good at all.

Ah yes, Gold-silver-Bronze is easier than: Gold, Classic, Rent.
And maybe Gold should only be for Gold accounts and VIPs as we currently know them for. And maybe trail users could be saved on bronze servers (as they would be of a lessert quality) but if that server gets alot of people or improves it gets moved to Silver, and its possible to be moved back down. Maybe they have to meet targets to stay where they are.

Playerworld Sponsorship
 

I didn't have enough time last night to read this entire thread but when Unixmad starts the Playerworld program you may contact me for a sponsorship.

Mike @
E-Mail: [email protected]

I'm willing to pay for one server with all the features if you provide me with some examples of your previous work.

Thanks,
Bear

bear, i think my PW have nice stuff... if you are willing to pay for it, then id love it :)

From talking to tyhm , he told me that there that there was idea pretty much like yours but it involved vips to a grater extent.
Well firstly he told me that the graalonline staff were debating on the topic that only Vip members could only apply for Pw hosting sense that they were the only people bothered to upgrade to Vip so they can get scripts and other stuff / tools.

Getting back to the point , Vips might only be aloud to apply for graal pw hosting sense we will get , new tools , new graphics , new script provided by graal for our projects , just becouse we are vips.

I strongly believe that this is a very smart move for graal , it ensures a all hight new standard for graal playerworld and it also shows the deduction of the pw managers for there server. Thats why nearly all server owners like moongod turned Vip.

I also think tyhm said that servers that get the most player hits will be give some benefit like, price discount and they can also earn money buy selling graal account from there server.

I dont know if any of this will happen , it there is a very high chance that it might.

Sorry if this has already been asked, but I didn't feel like reading 133 posts just to find out :) .

Will the mudlibs be available for rented server?

I will also do the same as bear. If you can prove to me that your PW is worth my money I'll pay for it..

Ive seen the prices, just dont be paying for lots of them, we don't want you to wake up one day with no money.

Rumor is at the moment , 9 to 10 dollars a month, for those not online a 80 to 120 dollar setup fee has to be paid for it to go up. This is not set in stone but did come from good sources which I will not reveal at this time. Reason why I put ranges is I heard 2 things about this not one. First I heard is $9 per month with a $80 setup fee. Then I also heard $10 with a $120 setup fee. So I imagine it will be arond there somewhere.

I like what MoonGod said, but I think if they maybe added a thing where if you get accepted by the PWA you don't have a setup fee or something like that it would encourage people to do their very best and not just to throw together a box to put their RC on.

Yeah I don't understand the whole setup fee thing... I would think that only applies to playerworlds that would want to get online without having to pass any major inspections. Besides, paying 100 dollar setup fee is like practically paying for an entire year of the service, so it doesn't make any sense.

It seems like a rip to make people pay over 100 dollars just to get their server setup. Whose to say they aren't removed for some stupid reason, and they are out 100 dollars? That would suck... It should just be a pay per month thing. So if at the end of the month, the playerworld has to be closed, it can be closed, without making the owner pay more for it.

9-10 dollars a month isn't bad, depending on the amount of money you recieve from the donation upgrade thing. If it was like a dollar or two per upgrade towards your server, it would be worth it.

I don't understand it either. Seems wacked to pay $100 for a service you might cancel in 2 weeks because something might happen withen the family, or mabey.... just mabey after all these years, you eyes finally say no more and give up. ;)

Well, I can see some problems with this.
We have like what? 10,000 classic accounts, with about 2,000 active?
I have a feeling we'd have a lack of players on the other servers that most of the servers will have like 2 players (inculding NPC Server <3)
I also think $30 for a 600MB server is way to cheap, think about it 600MBs is about 1/3 of my PC's max lol.
Also what if people start breaking copy right laws, having midi's from Final Fantasys, GFX's from Zelda, or even the ideas like DBZ going super saiyans x.x
It seems like a good idea, but I think it should be layed out for a awhile.
Mybe you can get more PWAs and they can look after the "Player"
worlds.

Huh? You should upgrade. If I were to rent out multiple chunks of 600MB for $30, I could earn $1000 a month, with my tiny laptop HD even. $30 for 600MB is far too much as you can almost buy a better hard drive for such money.
Who cares? It is their problem, not ours, if some big bad companies start sueing them.

I'd say that one or both of two things is needed:


(1) Terms-of-service inspectors

(2) A disclaimer: "Linux Cyberjoueurs, its employees, and its investors are not responsible for any content herein."

Yes, that is the best price. They will make more money in the long run if people can afford it. For example:

Let's say $100 setup fee + 9-10 dollars a month.

Now, about 10 people on Graal will be able to do it at that point because who's parents are going to say "Yes you can take $100 dollars off my credit card"? So obviously they'd have to own their own credit card. One year:

(100x10)+(120x10)=$2200

Where as if you charge 9 or 10 dollars a month, you will get probably 30-40 people registering:

40x10x12=$4800

So, if those values were anywhere near true, you'd be making over twice as much.

You fail to consider the increased costs incurred from having to host 4x as many worlds...4x the disk space, 4x the bandwidth, etc...

There is a setup fee. Its there to make some money if you decided to play around and only have it for a month. Also its not just *******s they are hosting websits and things with them hosting plans, so its alot to sort. And they will probably both have to be on more, so they want some pay for it.

For about 80 dollars you can get a 40 gig hard drive. As for bandwidth, I don't know if they'd have that many players, bandwidth is only as big as the playerbase. I mean, I can't see a server taking more than about 50-60 megs at max, which gives you plenty of disk space left. Bandwidth is the only possible problem, not the disk space.

I was pointing out the error in his calculated comparison of "profits".

Also make a bulk option please. Like say if its 10 bucks a month and you pay for a full year in advance maybe get one month free or something? I'd buy in bulk if there was a deal like that. :)

Still, if fewer people set up because of a large setup fee as suggested then they will in the long run make less.

I can see that as a valid option , it would be an incentive to save yourself some money. If Unixmad sees this I 'm sure he may consider it, afterall he is a businessman and it does mean money in his pocket.


Maybe so but you have to admit it will cut down on the less serious people who just want to do it for a short period of time for whatever reason. This will not be in the best interest of Graal and a way for Graal to protect its own interest.

Off the topic (sort of): I think current playerworld managers should get some time on their Graal account.

For example, Moon God is taking time away from his personal life to help keep players on Graal, and he gets nothing in return. He works to help keep Graal alive, and yet he still has to pay to access Graal. I don't believe I'd want to pay someone for a job. I think I'd much rather be rewarded for helping than I would paying to help. That may just be me, though.

A volunteer job is just that. I help out and hold my various positions because I want to, and not to 'get something' out of it. Once you start rewarding people for helping, people will be helping just to get the rewards and no longer just to improve the quality of graal as a whole. It would of course be 'nice' to get something out of it, but I consider the drawbacks to this type of rewarding to significantly outweigh the benefits.

But are you specifically keeping players actually playing Graal?

Maybe so but I also have alot of money invested in Graal , not only the accounts I hold but the website I own , yes I bought the space on a server. I did this so the Npulse players would have a site free from those infernal pop up ads. The site cost me not Graal because I still have a yearly maintence fee to pay for the upkeep of my site. It's only $69 a year but combined with 3 p2p accounts (2mine 1 Moonies ) $200 I laid out for the site to start with not to mention a failed one I lost $100 because of some UK BS hosting company , I have spent quite a bit of money and hundreds of hours all related to Npulse of work done. Npulse is more than a Game but an investment to me , at some point in time a return of some kind would be nice. Something to show for all the time and Money I have invested in the game over the past 3 years.

volunteer work
 

I agree with Tseng on this, No disrespect to Moon God but what he is doing is 101% volunteer work. No one is asking him or any other graal player that also invest there time and money into graal to help out, its there own choice that they made.

The only person that I really feel that should get rewarded is tyhm, since he is the only one that checks the graal support desk few times every day and gives a speedy reply.

Moon God I mean no disrespect, I really hope Npulse can reclaim its numbers and its old place on the place in the graal player list. Its really bad luck that you lost some money with UK BS hosting, but if you ever want to change hosts try www.hasweb.com (it’s one of the best website hosts I have ever seen)

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www.medievalgraal.com

Re: volunteer work
 

Well like I said I already own a website but that one looks pretty good. I do As for the numbers however have quite a few more options than they provide. At the time Graal did not require a website for a PW like they do now and granted I was not asked to do it, I will have this website long after I am done with Graal if I ever do. Btw that UK hosting Company is out of business now , the BS stood for Bull-----. Since I do own the site I won't be looking for another one. I know I did what I did on my own to give the players of Npulse a better site than most have. Many players need to realize what some Managers do to help their PWs along and what they do for their players. Soon everything will change with this hosting , what is being done changes what we do from volunteer to recieving something back for what we do. As for that help desk some of us have never gotten it to work right without errors from the page so it is ulesless for us, I happen to be one of them.(Moonie never has either and we do not work on the same comp or IP) As for the numbers If I can ever get done what I have been trying to do for the last year and a half , we will see a rise in numbers but progress is at a crawl right now.:\