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protagonist 02-09-2006 04:56 AM

Why didn't The Adventure get left up while the development team worked on a development server?

Inspiration 02-09-2006 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by protagonist
Why didn't The Adventure get left up while the development team worked on a development server?

I think that was the original plan, then all the content on the development server got erased, so they decided to just go ahead and change the main server with no real content ready.

I worked there over a year ago (about 15 months ago now) and that's the reason they gave me for lack of content.

Now, 15 months later, there is even less content than there was then.

Minoc 02-09-2006 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticalDragon
I don't usually get into these small bikering arguments but I had to state my opinion. You say most people are gifted with "common sense" huh...Well How is calling a LAT a Developer common sense?I been playing Graal Online Since 99 and i was tought as a Player that LAT stood for "Levels Admin Team".SO how is that common sense? When you where tought one thing and a Classic server comes along and changes a common rank like "LAT" into a developer type status.Having LATs be Dev is a type of Oxy***** move in my opinion. When ever i ran a server i had my LATs,NATs and my Devs that did a ittle bit of everything and work got done rather quickly.Maybe this small rank adjustment is why classic fails to speed up progress...Yes?

Rank adjustment? Classic was the first server.

It is common sense.
Most levels are composed of NPCs, graphics, and tiles; therefore, it's wrong to associate the team with tilers alone.

Mark Sir Link 02-09-2006 05:31 PM

Plus, on classic, there was no NPC-Server to add items to. To add items, they had to be in a level, in a script, with a toweapons call.

Cherry Harlot: Well, I have no problem with them complaining; it just annoys me when they don't ask me for info first
*Stefan: well
*Stefan: it would be best if they tell the classic staff & polo what they want
Andrew (RC): true
*Stefan: not always opening new threads on the forum about firing polo
*Stefan: might be some american tradition to first fire the people when you are not ok with them


Stefan, no one is calling out for the firing of Master Storm. Quite the opposite. What I am trying to say is, remove the NPC-Server. From what Storm has told me, you're the one who imposed it on us. Now lift it. It was an interesting experiment, and it failed. The potential to make more money does not lie in classic. It should be the job of new servers. Rather then trying to repackage classic into something it isn't, make a new server. And give us our old server back, :frown: .

Malinko 02-09-2006 05:59 PM

I fail to see the logic of discussing the name of "LAT" compared to the development progress of Classic. Just because development staff are called LAT means nothing. If someone was interested in being a development staff for Classic, I'm sure he or she would ask one of the staff members how to fill an application and where to fill an application.

The name of LAT has NOTHING to do with Classic's development? That has no relevant point to what Mark_Sir_Link is speaking of.

Andy0687 02-09-2006 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspiration
Now, 15 months later, there is even less content than there was then.

I dont remember exactily how long ago i was helping out but when we were converting the stuff quite a lot of classic had been changed over (I was working with Kat and Evil, thats all I can really remember).

If the content was "Erased" how come one of them did not have a backup of all the content? (I think Com and Tyhm were in the options too, along with a few other notable people who didnt log on often or at all).

There could have been a chance to save all of what was done but i guess no one took it ;(

Inspiration 02-10-2006 07:12 AM

My team and I basically remade every level on N-Pulse, with a ton of NEW NPCs, in about 4 months.

So exactly why is it impossible to do a similar project in triple the time?


I still claim that if I headed a similar project I could have it done before may, assuming I had around 4 people helping.

That's all I'd need. 4 people and 3 months.

StrykerTFFD 02-10-2006 03:10 PM

Before I begin I'd like to say Minoc owns you all and should have my babies.
Beyond that...well...heck I don't have an opinion here.

Classic will never be what it was. If bringing back the old levels would bring back the old players, hell I'd be for it, but it won't. Bringing back the old levels would only mean different things for us to see whenever the oldbies would venture outside of Zol's or level14.graal. What's the difference? :rolleyes:

Mark Sir Link 02-10-2006 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD
Before I begin I'd like to say Minoc owns you all and should have my babies.
Beyond that...well...heck I don't have an opinion here.

Classic will never be what it was. If bringing back the old levels would bring back the old players, hell I'd be for it, but it won't. Bringing back the old levels would only mean different things for us to see whenever the oldbies would venture outside of Zol's or level14.graal. What's the difference? :rolleyes:

There would at least be stuff to do.

At the moment, oldbies are irrelevant. The largest part of the case is the potential to gain more noobies with a server that's actually fun.


EDIT:

Today, I walked through Babord on Classic itself. Although it was very broken, it reminded me. It reminded me of things I couldn't remember playing Graal the Adventure offline. Walking through the old city with other players, even if there were no insides, reminded me of what I once played. It was quite fun.

If a broken set of these old levels are fun, then a fixed set of those old levels, exactly the way they were, no updated tiles, or fundamental changes can be just as fun. Stefan, I honestly believe eliminating the NPC-Server could convince more noobs to toss money at you and play the game.

Mark Sir Link 02-17-2006 02:58 AM

BUMP

Nothing's yet to happen. I was hoping someone would at least contact me, besides Master Storm.

EDIT:
Been LAT, nothing to bring classic back

Tried recreating the server, was shut down


Anything else?

Mafukie 02-17-2006 03:09 AM

I think Galen said it best in a chat I had with him; heres a short.


ME:
then why do nothing with classic? you see a 3rd party server crush classic in
players and see this under developed server that is supposed to be official
where all the rich content is supposed to be.

Galen:
because it's long since past time for the old guard to pass the torch to the
younger generation of players. Graal is what the palayers make of it. If the
players truly wanted change, someone would step up to the plate.

ME:
so if the new generation is slow to develop content then we just have to step
back and watch?

Galen:
If you genuinely want to persue change, then you're welcome to do so.

So basically stop complaining, and if you want a situation to change you have to work for it; and not sit around and talk. Apply for LAT on classic and do something about it.

link master111 02-20-2006 11:22 AM

I agree on both sides of this. Maybe if they brought out a dev server so they can do the new version of classic while we play on the old version my be a good idea. However It will take alot of time to change everything (If they can) back to what it was before.

syltburk 02-20-2006 07:33 PM

lolz this s graal! sup minco, peace

protagonist 02-21-2006 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link
*Stefan: might be some american tradition to first fire the people when you are not ok with them

Does anyone else resent this comment? It implies that demanding competency is only an American trait.

Andy0687 02-21-2006 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by protagonist
Does anyone else resent this comment? It implies that demanding competency is only an American trait.

maybe it is


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