subjective opinion

No, it's not subjective if you know all the facts.

They say that they are simply trying to stop our control. But if a) we never had any control b) they were free to leave anytime they wanted attacking us is wrong.

Um what about the innocent lives you claimed when you attacked us unprovoked. What about a whole system you tore down. Especially since the whole reason was to ensure that Samurai was a kingdom who you could control or atleast make sure it was too weak to fight against you. Dont even try to hide this anymore.

Now that's just being silly. It wasn't unprovoked because, wether it was a real cry for help or acted out by the Samurai, people were asking us to help them overthrow you. Secondly, if we really wanted to keep Samurai down, why would we allow the leader full control? Why, when Lyndzey's letter clearly put us in charge of running Samurai, we let Shogun continue to be in full control?

Answer to that!

Ok and once again, the people who asked for help werent real members, they were people who I kicked out. You came in and forced me out of leadership. And without warning you attacked soldiers defending me. That is an unprovoked attack. This is revenge.

if 99% of my members go
"I HATE YOU ZURK"
and I remove them, then it still means that they're going to try and overpower us. Just because you removed them doesn't mean they just died.

I THINK but I'm not sure... but two of those people who weren't in Samurai consisted of Chibi and Lyndzey. The two most reconized Samurai.


Are you Lyndzey? Have you talked with Lyndzey about this subject? I dont believe so because she was the Samurai leader who we put into power.

Why dont you go ask her some of the questions your asking us.. like
"Were we Imperious to you", "Did we take even 0.0001% of the power in Samurai", "Did we just let you rot", "Did we try to control your government", etc...

You want to know the only power Astri had in Samurai? We had the right to choose a new leader if Lyndzey left. Why? Because Lyndzey was saying "If my people want me out of office then I will resign". Not the best words to hear when you're conquering a state for her and she's overhere saying that she'll give it all up.
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And the post about how we would help Samurai if they joined the Allaince and stuff like that... well erm DUH! It's the point of the allaince, you help me and I help you. We never forced them too, they joined on their free will.

You all just want dirt on Astri so you say things such as Evil Dictators, Enslavers of the Samurai and Dustarians, everything.

We treated Samurai just like we treated Dustari. And you can ask Larrien how well we treated them. We helped when they had a problem in politics and other things.
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This thread is going nowhere, they keep arguing the same case over and over again... so can we close the threads "Breakup of the..." and "SAMURAI declares war on..."

Thank you

okay, I suppose I will close this thread. Although I was enjoying it, it's really getting nowhere anymore.