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Crono 11-14-2007 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1358131)
To those who keep saying "you have the option to do it too, so either do it or stop complaining," I'd just like to say:
The key to an online game is balance. For one option, the other option has to be equally fair, or try to be. On an RPG game, there could be one race that is way more powerful than the next... now to all the other races, they constantly die to that powerful race, and they complain. Sure, some would say, "you have the option to be that race, so it's fair"... is a dumb logic. In that case everyone would have to be that race just so the game would be fair, so why give the option of other races? So in the end, the logical solution would be to balance out the more powerful race with the others. The same applies here, just because it's possible for everyone to do doesn't make it fair. It should be balanced with the other options of control... or deleted.
I completely agree with you, but I'm starting to think that this is just another OMG DUN STRAFE W/ PISTOLEZ ITS LAME kind of thing. The mouse click is pretty retarded because it's just different, but how are you going to convince Stefan to remove it? Because n00bs are killing you with it? Um...?

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Also, nice touch with the whole delete me bit, I haven't heard that one before! You really know how to back up your statements.
These are the Zone forums, don't expect much.

Frieza 11-14-2007 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Switch (Post 1358293)
I dislike you to a great extent. . .
so do most of the forum user-base, but i didnt mean to have a dig at 12 year olds, i was aiming a joke at night while i wasent in a great state of mind. and now i realise that i made a very tasteless joke andim gona deleat that post.

to knight, what have you been arguind me if you support my main argument that mouse clicking may be balenced if they deleat the extra angles? x.x you make no sence!!!

Switch 11-14-2007 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358322)
So are you trying to call me a child prodigy? Thanks!
No, I said you were 17 with the mind of a 5 year old.

Switch 11-14-2007 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Frieza (Post 1358362)
so do most of the forum user-base, but i didnt mean to have a dig at 12 year olds, i was aiming a joke at night while i wasent in a great state of mind. and now i realise that i made a very tasteless joke andim gona deleat that post.
k :)

Frieza 11-14-2007 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Switch (Post 1358394)
k :)
yeah so, no hard feelings i hope?

MajinDragon 11-15-2007 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358322)
By the way not trying to be mean but how can you make fun of my "tiny little mind" when you spelled hypocrite wrong...? Then you try to correct him for spelling analogy wrong... Oh well, this whole mess has proved my point about some people not being able to debate without tension sparking : /
You've made quite a few grammar errors yourself, so if i were you, i wouldn't mention Anubi's small spelling error, which i assume was a typo.

The mouse clicking system is, like many have stated, completely overpowered. I think Dusty explained why very clearly so i won't attempt to write a similar explanation. I'm all for the removal of this system.

anubis_wing 11-15-2007 12:44 AM
Chaingun plus mouseclick is ever so annoying.

Frieza 11-15-2007 12:48 AM
so is handgun.

Switch 11-15-2007 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Frieza (Post 1358409)
yeah so, no hard feelings i hope?
Mk
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Originally Posted by Frieza (Post 1358419)
so is handgun.
Hands down on that one. Handgun + M2S = total ownage vs. 1-4 pe[rson/ople]

Knight 11-15-2007 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by anubis_wing (Post 1358341)
The only reason I'm being so rude is because of how you act towards other people. I always have had trouble with Hypocrite but now I know how to spell it, so whatever. The fact is you started arguements by insulting people outright, using insults to prove they're wrong. Also, you can't be sarcastic or tell jokes on the internet unless you make it apparently specific that it was a joke, everyone should know that.
Actually I am only standing my ground, this thread is a bit unorganized though. Look at the poll options... Anyways they should be or have been:

1. I think mouse click should be deleted overall.
2. I think the extra angels should be removed from mouse click.
3. I think that mouse click should stay.

Anyways, you have no right to infer that I am being rude to someone when you clearly don't know what happens when you're not around. People saw me defending mouse click and now I have a lot of enemies any they don't even know me a slight bit.




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Originally Posted by MajinDragon (Post 1358415)
You've made quite a few grammar errors yourself, so if i were you, i wouldn't mention Anubi's small spelling error, which i assume was a typo.
Never said I didn't!

anubis_wing 11-15-2007 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358444)
Anyways, you have no right to infer that I am being rude to someone when you clearly don't know what happens when you're not around. People saw me defending mouse click and now I have a lot of enemies any they don't even know me a slight bit.
I don't have to know what happens when you're not around, your actions on this forums reflect my opinions of you.

Frieza 11-15-2007 06:24 PM
put it thisway, we was messin around inDM and i use handgun and mouse click, and i beat desear, zeru, frost and magma 4 on one, now if i used anything other than click i wouldnt got smashed, it is a fact!

Knight 11-15-2007 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by anubis_wing (Post 1358476)
I don't have to know what happens when you're not around, your actions on this forums reflect my opinions of you.
Really? I haven't done anything to suggest I was truly being mean to someone unless I was retaliating against something worse they said. By bringing this up YOUR actions reflect my opinion on YOU.

Frieza 11-15-2007 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358531)
Really? I haven't done anything to suggest I was truly being mean to someone unless I was retaliating against something worse they said. By bringing this up YOUR actions reflect my opinion on YOU.
what?

UnknownMasterMind 11-15-2007 07:59 PM
Lets stop the Flaming/Spaming guys. ;)
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Also, I guess we all agree then, get rid of the extra angles on mouse-to-click, and then lets see how that works out, and if it doesn't work, then we will try and think of other solutions.

So...
Please remove the extra angles from mouse-to-shoot!

anubis_wing 11-15-2007 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358531)
Really? I haven't done anything to suggest I was truly being mean to someone unless I was retaliating against something worse they said. By bringing this up YOUR actions reflect my opinion on YOU.
You started on Dusty AND Freizas case, and in another thread you started on Unknownmastermind.

DustyPorViva 11-15-2007 11:10 PM
Yes, he made me shed an e-tear(they're the worst kind, acidic and have trace amounts of mercury in them)... :( Everyone grab the torches and pitchforks!

Knight 11-15-2007 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by anubis_wing (Post 1358575)
You started on Dusty AND Freizas case, and in another thread you started on Unknownmastermind.
Not really? Frieza and I are kind of friends. Learn that debating isn't hating.

anubis_wing 11-15-2007 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358589)
Not really? Frieza and I are kind of friends. Learn that debating isn't hating.
You didn't debate you outright insulted him.

Frieza 11-15-2007 11:36 PM
just leave it, forums would be no fun if no1 argued and everyone just agreed XD knight was wrong and the rest of zone ws right! and dusty, so yeah :)

Knight 11-16-2007 12:00 AM
I was wrong? I said before to remove the angles...?

jkool666 11-16-2007 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358602)
I was wrong? I said before to remove the angels...?
....... I thought we were talking about mouse clicking. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Knight 11-16-2007 05:15 AM
lol sorry typoed

Frieza 11-16-2007 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jkool666 (Post 1358634)
....... I thought we were talking about mouse clicking. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
***** <3

Knight 11-16-2007 08:24 PM
Oh yeah, this is pretty much a pointless thread now. They already have something made and ready for Zone's next version. I am pretty sure it isn't totally removed but I may be wrong. But next version we will see...

Frieza 11-16-2007 10:36 PM
i hope its removed! its still auto aim.

Knight 11-17-2007 01:59 AM
My keyboard is a bit messed up though, it provides an alternative. Usually I've been having to hit certain buttons multiple times.

Dante55555 11-17-2007 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358694)
Oh yeah, this is pretty much a pointless thread now.
Then stop posting in it.

seanthien 11-17-2007 06:26 PM
I'm not even gonna bother reading the debate on mouseclick.

I have a perfectly simple plain to reduce the ammount of mouse users.

At a certain exp level, you cannot mouse click anymore, rather that's when you HAVE to use the keyboard.So, newbies can rank up kills,exp until a certain amount.

And then it pops up someone near there screen saying '' You have reached a skilled enough rank/exp, you may not use the mouseing system any longer''

It would reduce the ammount of decent people using them. And would help newbies.

UnknownMasterMind 11-17-2007 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by seanthien (Post 1358840)
I'm not even gonna bother reading the debate on mouseclick.

I have a perfectly simple plain to reduce the ammount of mouse users.

At a certain exp level, you cannot mouse click anymore, rather that's when you HAVE to use the keyboard.So, newbies can rank up kills,exp until a certain amount.

And then it pops up someone near there screen saying '' You have reached a skilled enough rank/exp, you may not use the mouseing system any longer''

It would reduce the ammount of decent people using them. And would help newbies.
That actually sounds like a great idea! ^^

Knight 11-17-2007 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by seanthien (Post 1358840)
I'm not even gonna bother reading the debate on mouseclick.

I have a perfectly simple plain to reduce the ammount of mouse users.

At a certain exp level, you cannot mouse click anymore, rather that's when you HAVE to use the keyboard.So, newbies can rank up kills,exp until a certain amount.

And then it pops up someone near there screen saying '' You have reached a skilled enough rank/exp, you may not use the mouseing system any longer''

It would reduce the ammount of decent people using them. And would help newbies.
Eh, I think it should be the other way around... I'd rather be lamed by Switch than Graal1234567... (Not saying you click or anything Switch just using you as an example). Anyways it would make more sense overall if they had to get to Soldier / Warrior first before clicking so you know they have a bit of experience then clicking from the start. Even so I am still not sure about this idea because my keyboard is a bit messed up and usually I have to hit keys twice and I won't be getting a new keyboard for a week so I am not sure yet.

Dante55555 11-17-2007 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by seanthien (Post 1358840)
I'm not even gonna bother reading the debate on mouseclick.

I have a perfectly simple plain to reduce the ammount of mouse users.

At a certain exp level, you cannot mouse click anymore, rather that's when you HAVE to use the keyboard.So, newbies can rank up kills,exp until a certain amount.

And then it pops up someone near there screen saying '' You have reached a skilled enough rank/exp, you may not use the mouseing system any longer''

It would reduce the ammount of decent people using them. And would help newbies.
Best idea I've heard all month. Way to go Sean.

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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358889)
Eh, I think it should be the other way around... I'd rather be lamed by Switch than Graal1234567... (Not saying you click or anything Switch just using you as an example). Anyways it would make more sense overall if they had to get to Soldier / Warrior first before clicking so you know they have a bit of experience then clicking from the start. Even so I am still not sure about this idea because my keyboard is a bit messed up and usually I have to hit keys twice and I won't be getting a new keyboard for a week so I am not sure yet.
...wow.

jkool666 11-17-2007 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358889)
Eh, I think it should be the other way around... I'd rather be lamed by Switch than Graal1234567... (Not saying you click or anything Switch just using you as an example). Anyways it would make more sense overall if they had to get to Soldier / Warrior first before clicking so you know they have a bit of experience then clicking from the start. Even so I am still not sure about this idea because my keyboard is a bit messed up and usually I have to hit keys twice and I won't be getting a new keyboard for a week so I am not sure yet.
*Slaps self rapidly in the head*
The whole point of Sean's idea was balancing mouse clicking. The only problem with mouse clickers are the ones who are good at it (its not hard to be good at it...).
Now, if only newbies could use mouse click then things would be balanced, their newbs but using an overpowered method. We're talented using a more challenging method. PLEASE tell me you understand now...

Fix the angles and add Sean's idea ;).

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Originally Posted by seanthien (Post 1358840)
At a certain exp level, you cannot mouse click anymore, rather that's when you HAVE to use the keyboard.
*Message Appears at the bottom of the screen*
"You have just reached Soldier rank! Mouse-Click shooting is now disabled. Time to get some real talent eh?"

Deserted 11-18-2007 12:06 AM
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*Message Appears at the bottom of the screen*
"You have just reached Soldier rank! Mouse-Click shooting is now disabled. Time to get some real talent eh?"
xD, Good old jesse ;).

I don't get why Stefan never reads his own forums, or plays his own game.
I mean people are just gonna say "He's busy noob." Anyway, just, we have a whole thread of what people think of the mouse click.

What most people are saying, just remove the 12 dimensions of shooting.

And yeah, add seans idea :D

Frieza 11-18-2007 12:26 AM
seans idea 4 lyf 2k7

anubis_wing 11-18-2007 05:14 AM
I think it's an awful idea, when they get to the point of not being able to use it, they'll be worse off because they won't know how to fight any other way.

Switch 11-18-2007 05:30 AM
It should explain to them, then.

Knight 11-18-2007 07:40 AM
I'd rather have mouse completely removed then only newbs being able to use it...? I don't even care now that I found a keyboard that works in my closet a few hours ago I say we go ahead and completely remove click lol.

Dante_P2P 11-18-2007 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by anubis_wing (Post 1358982)
I think it's an awful idea, when they get to the point of not being able to use it, they'll be worse off because they won't know how to fight any other way.
[Owned]..[/Owned]

MajinDragon 11-18-2007 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by anubis_wing (Post 1358982)
I think it's an awful idea, when they get to the point of not being able to use it, they'll be worse off because they won't know how to fight any other way.
I actually agree with that, the noobs will learn to play and "pwn" with the mouse click, only to have it stripped away from them, i don't like noobs much but thats kinda cruel... And besides, whats stopping someone from just making many trial accounts and just using mouse click with them every day? It doesn't solve the problem, it only makes laming exclusive to new players. Aboloshing the mouse click altogether or atleast altering the mouse click to only shoot and not actually select a direction is the only way this will be sorted.


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