Buh, ****ing bull****. You'll never complete a standalone game. So don't bother trying if you can't finish a Graal server.

You guys are a waste of space.

Only way you can finish a stand alone game is if you can find more developers outside of graal than you can inside. Which is very unlikely.

I hate to say I saw it coming... but... I saw it coming.

So what exactly is the reason for quitting?

The old "graal is going nowhere" excuse is lame. You should have known Graal's direction long before you started a server. Also, it's not as though you can't attract outsiders to your graal playerworld.

Just sounds like you guys got stuck somewhere or tired of working on the same project. More than likely one or several of you will attempt a seperate game which won't get very far and fall apart, or will take many many years to release. Good luck with that though.

Instead of quitting you could always just take a break and reorganize.

Or maybe pass the project on to someone else?

:/ Goodluck!

LOL


I'm still waiting over 5 years or something like that for WarCaptain (I think it was him, can't remember who owned Engima without looking at my AIM list to see his nick) to make his game. You will be lucky if you make it a few weeks before you give up. :(

LOL man I think Warcaptain gave up on that game a long time ago. I remember I was mod on the main part of his forums, even though maybe 3-4 people posted a day. :P

Reason for quitting? Another project. Not a Graal project, and also not a project with the graphics of Esteria. So stop saying we dont have the patience to finish a damn Graal server, mkay?

I wasnt tired of working on Esteria. I worked almost every day, but as I said, theres another project right now :]

If you are working on another project which has made you quit Esteria, then yes, you have grown tired of Esteria. If you weren't tired of it, you would have finished it and THEN began working on this other project. Don't bother trying to explain your way out of that.

We've seen you guys come and go. The people who have hyped themselves right out of Graal. Your thought processes are all the same:

"Hmmm... if we are getting this much hype from our unreleased Graal server, just imagine how popular our own game would be! Plus we would be in total control and be able to profit! Screw making a "damn" graal server! Those things are going nowhere!"

Then you spend up to a year finding out that you need a lot more experience managing and developing an online game than you thought.

He sent me a screen shot few weeks ago, said he was still working steady on it. Looks as bad as it was years ago tho. ;o

Eh, I just cant explain this to you so you will understand that. Its like if you got a piece of chocolade. Then you see a cake, and eat the cake instead of the chocolade.
Well, we saw the cake, and are right now eating it, if you know what I mean. But we would have eaten the piece of chocolade if we didnt see it...

The grass is always greener on the other side.

Just a heads up.

LOL of all people to talk about hype...

That's the reason I'm being so hard on him. I've already been down this road. (well, not exactly to the point where I quit my server to make my own game, but close)

Did I ever say we will actuall sell that game? Probably not, lol.

No but I only briefly hinted at that.

But what you are doing, is quitting a graal server when you're so far along in development to start on some completely new non-graal project.

Your analogy was pathetic. It's not hard to know that there are better options in terms of developing a game than Graal. Graal has most of the tools that you could possibly need, and a community and all of that... but it lacks being completely independant and you cannot host your own server and earn any money from it.

You are saying Graal is like a piece of chocolate in comparison to making your own game, free of any restraints. (the cake)

Except you fail to realize that there are plenty of restraints. A few being:

- lack of knowledge in programming
- lack of funds to run a server/pay staff/host sites/etc
- harder to find people interested in the project who can help develop for free
- a lot more work involved since you have to make everything from the ground up.

Of course if you just use some game engine like Torque and you are getting free hosting from someone and you have a lot of people helping you, you're still going to run into a boatload of problems. Your smug confident grin will slowly turn into a frown. I don't have to think that it will. I'm almost certain that it will.

Lol don't tell the guy how he feels konidias, get over it.

"Oasis".

^ read.

Get off his balls konidias. I don't think he gives a crap that you've been down the same road.

Heh, I actually dont care what you are saying. Theres no problem for me to code my own game client, and I also know alot people who would help out with the project. I dont have any problems, what are yours?:]

Edit: Just noticed some wrong part in your post heh. Did I ever say the offline project will be the cake?:]

How about you get off mine? Lately it seems like you have to reply to my posts just to give me hell.

Crow, I'm done trying to give advice. Good luck with your game... or project... or whatever it is that was more important than your server. I have a feeling you're going to need it. Even if you think you don't.

If there's anything I learned about you from this thread is that you're extremely closeminded and stubborn. I don't care if "you don't care" either. I never asked you if you cared anyway.

Lol this thread is funny.

Did you learn the lesson konidias? If no one wants your advice, don't bother giving it.

I kind of love you lol.

Konidias...I know it will be hard. But even if we wont finish it...it would have been a pretty good practice, ya know. And I also "dont care" what you think, say or want to say, because you cant tell me anything, heh. I can stop or continue the work on a project whenever I want, or make a new project out of a Graal server, who cares?

Atleast Konidias was doing the right thing trying to help them. But some people are ungrateful.

Oh of course, he was trying to help us by saying we are bad managers :rolleyes:

Commitment ladies, loyalty.

Why did you abandon the project?

See, you don't take the advice part you just immediately tune it all out and think I'm trying to insult you.

Crono hit the nail on the head.


Way to fall in love with the guy who was just insulting you. You two were made for eachother.

You dont even know the real reasons why we are quitting, and we probably wont tell you, so how can you say we are bad managers, huh?

Crow ill see ya soon alright, because the fact that your still posting on graal forums indicates your not done with graal.

I didnt say that, I just stopped working on a Graal project. Still playing Graal though.

I never once said you were a bad manager, did I? Please don't make assumptions. It's getting more and more apparent that your difference in primary language is causing you to misunderstand things. You're reading things one way when people are saying them another.

What a crappy way to go about life. What kind of successful game designer/manager has this sort of attitude? You don't take advice from your peers, you don't care about what anyone else thinks about the situation and you don't seem to care about anything really.

Well it's clear that some people actually did care about the server being completed. Even if it wasn't the manager of the server. There is absolutely no reason to be so childish and say "well I don't care! so there!".

I swear, all you see when you read my posts is "blah blah, you suck you're a bad manager, blah blah blah", when I'm not even saying that. Are you even reading what I write? I really do think there's a language gap here.

Way to ignore my question Crow..

konidias why are you putting so much effort into this? You aren't helping the guy want to finish the server, he wants to move on GET THE HELL OVER IT.

OR are you pretty anal because you're just another failure *cough OASIS cough*

Say whatever you want. You'll just end up banned again. All you do is post negatively. Why are you even on these forums? You seem to hunt out threads that you can start a fight in or insult someone in. Look at your last 500 posts... 90% of them are going to be negative towards Graal, a player, a staff member, an idea, or just a reply in general.

Why even visit these forums if you're just going to be negative about everything? Why do you put so much effort into letting everyone know how much you hate things? It's like watching the same movie over and over again telling everyone how much you hate it. Are you really that stupid? Just leave.

You're insults don't even make sense. Are you trying to throw Oasis in my face or something? You did a horrible job. Where am I being "anal" at all? I think you just wanted to say the word. As far as Oasis being a failure... it isn't a failure if I cancelled it. It's a cancellation. If I tried to make it and released it and it stunk, then it would have been a failure. It never had the chance to be.

But I am disappointed that Oasis was never finished. So in that sense, it was a failure. So what? Shouldn't he be listening to my advice even more? I'm trying to tell him what not to do. What concern is it of yours anyway? You're just a gigantic hypocrite.

I just had to do it.

I don't even know why I'm replying, but what I find even more funny is that you just had a huge whinge over some posts I made via the internet. You came here and bust his balls over something else he wants to do. Give it up konidias.

lol the image really is funny...

Does it mather if its over the web? No. Why? Because Internet is used pretty much as much as you talk to people IRL, meaning, this is no different then for example taling over the phone.

No outside images. :)

Do you even know why I called you a hyprocrite? All you do is complain yet you're getting on me about trying to give some guy advice... and saying I'm whining?

But nice job totally avoiding all the points that I made and replying with a picture of a crying baby. I'm far from upset or crying... I think you just enjoy trying to make people cry. I'm assuming it's the "I got picked on a lot IRL so now I do it to everyone on the internet" syndrome.

Again I will ask you (and you'll probably ignore it)... why are you even posting in this thread? I was giving the guy advice about closing down his server, and all you have done is ridicule me for it. All you did was successfully manage to take this thread offtopic.

Come back to the thread when you can reply with something more than a lame insult.