He said what Ive been trying to say for a while. 6 pages of you all trying to defend yourself over somthing you have no defence for. Wow.







wow......good customer service right here. Your pretty much tellin people to **** off and were not gonna try to improve anything.

Maybe you guys don't understand that your only form of advertisement is us.

Also, would someone answer my damn questions from pages ago? Sam and Darlene had picked at other users who have said easy things to talk about. I was justification.

I am not going to repeat myself a million times on one subject. I have answered questions on the rule subject so many times, that it isnt even funny. How many ways can the same question be asked, and how many ways can the same question be answered? In the long run, it doesn't even matter because if it is not the answer you want to hear, then the question has not been answered.
I will say again: The rules are the rules. Follow them, or don't post. Simple.
And stop making a 20 page big deal on the closing of a thread in which a question was answered, that just makes no sense at all.

Close the thread, it's served it's purpose, you won't get a straight question/answer out of this whole ordeal.

It's in the EULA. Darlene can ban whoever she wants, whenever she wants, for any reason she wants, without warning. You all agreed to it. Players don't have any rights on Graal.

You never answered my question. Not even once. I'm not talking about the rules. I'm not debating the rules. I'm asking why you constantly close threads that don't break any rules. I'm not talking about the rules.

Answer THAT question.

If we all stop posting then you'll be out of a job. Brilliant.

Guys, I think you know what we have to do!

She wont be out of a job, she will still have the job, just it'll be extremely easy. It's not like a real job where if you can't do it anymore you get made redundant, she'll keep the role for when/if people started to post again!

These forums need a severe clean out.

Lovely. :p

Question answered, thread ... Well. It doesn't make sense to let a thread open where everyone ignores the topic and just does personal fight. In such a case it is normal to delete the offtopic posts and close the thread, so that other people can at least read the useful posts. I hope this helps a little bit. Best is to follow normal communication rules, or at least the forum rules (ontopic anyone?).

I don't see how even if it gets off topic, what the problem is. Who cares? What is the harm in it getting off topic? Especially if the question has already been answered. Let the people talk about what they want to talk about, as long as it isn't the rules. Where is the harm?

I can see it being a problem if it's a technical support thread so that a interested user could look it up with much more ease, but for general purposes I also don't see the problem.

It was a thread about the infraction system and turned out to be a forum-mod-trashing-thread. I call that off-topic and against the rules, choose what you like most.

The great god has spoken!!1!!!!!1 Do as he says! close this thread!

Exactly. I am glad someone else is able to see it.

Yes, but I believe the reason the topic has gone so far is because users want to establish a rule or a protocol regarding this sort of stuff.

There does not need to be a rule added to close such threads. the members just need to stop making such a big deal over nothing.

Well, come to a consensus and make it clear; "The administration reserves the right to close threads they feel have drifted too far from topic or are no longer productive."

Y'know what I mean?

Smell nice up there? ;)

not that post the one before it and yes it smells wonderful!

That's disgusting.

Please stop spamming.

Whats the definition of spam. Ill answer for you. Spam is something that is irrelevent to the topic. I don't believe that anything I have said as spam is irrelevent to the topic and heres why. The whole point of this thread is about spam and the mods closing threads with spam. By making a thread about it the whole thread is spam so any post that you do not prefer will then be treated as such. The point is that all posts are equal and the definition of spam can vary and mods can often quote a message answering it and not leaving the thread open for the same person who asked the original question to ask more questions whichy will be subsequently deleted for not being in the last thread which they in their bliss in their ignorance closed.

mods often start the spam because they quote a message saying stop spamming starting an arguement overwhat is spam and what is not or simply a spam war. The issue is that when the mdos do that they also have atendency to make the topic more to their liking talking about them than anything else because they deleted posts and probaly started the flaming.

I have to agree. You can solve the problem by simply making a rule. What's upsetting people is that the mods can just make open judgment calls on when a thread should be closed. Simply define it, and it won't be a problem.

Well, it may still be a problem as a lot of users still hold silly grudges and stuff. But at this point it's more of THEIR problem and less of A problem

What? This thread is not about spam. In fact I have no idea what you are talking about at all.
I simply asked the people spamming to stop spamming (next time I will just remove it and issue warnings/infractions). You could have just heeded the advice, and stopped spamming instead of opening up a discussion about it, geez.
Thank you, however, for giving a good example as to why I don't usually warn people in open forum. It almost always derails the thread, and that's why the posts are removed, and the user warned by forum PM.

I didn't x-x I simply stated that my post wasn't spam and I was warning you that I will battle it out with you unless you delete my posts. I was opening the discussion because thats basically about the whole point because you close a thread when you consider it spam and feel teh quesiton has been snwered adequetly we are arguing about what spam is here believe it or not or smart one!:\

Indeed, and that also goes for him. If he wanted to question a administrators judgement or perhaps offer his opinion of a subject with direct regards to a administrators judgement he would be better taking it to a PM.

It's less disruptive, and generally more productive as it doesn't "derail" a subject.

THE WHLE SUBJECT IS SPAM BELIEVE IT OR NOT!

Maybe we should all just stop careing. Its pretty obvious that Unixmad,Stefan and the rest of the graal Adminstration can successfully run a game nor a fourm at the moment.

Maybe we just shouldnt care and just let the damn game die as well all slowly quit.

or stick around and make it all teh mroe pain ful ^^

Oh, the drama :rolleyes:

Seriously guys, you've been arguing for a couple of days about a thread being closed. From what I understand in this thread that was closed you guys were arguing, and commenting about the rules, which is against the forums rules.

I really don't have a side here, I'm not siding with Darlene because personally I don't think that a thread should ever be closed due to the fact that my philosophy is that once a thread has served its purpose (not meaning that questions are answered, but that it is no longer entertaining to the viewers of the board) the thread will die. With this said, I'm not taking the side of everybody else that is complaining, because although what I just said is true for some forum boards, these particular boards have a set of rules, one rule being that the staff have the power to judge for themselves when they feel a thread has become no more than off-topic chatter, and then close said thread. Just because the rule isn't written does not mean that it doesn't exist, I'm sure you guys would much rather Darlene just close the thread than mark all of the off-topic talk in the thread as spam and start giving each of you points for what is essencially spam.

Sorry if anything I've said pisses anybody off, but you guys are getting way too bent out of shape over some stupid stuff. Quit acting like you're 12 years old, most of you in this thread are 18 years old or over, start acting like it.

It isn't exactly that thread in specific. It has been done over and over again. It's the rule (or lack thereof) in general that we're talking about. That thread just happens the be the latest and most blatant example.

And thats what we keep making these threads about x,x as for the second part its not so much that you warned them its that you warned them for something thats not in the written rules.

The thing is, its been stated that you guys get off topic after the question in a thread is answered. If you want to have an off-topic conversation about something then why not create a topic about what you want to talk about in the non-graal related section of the forums? What they are saying is that the question was stated, that is what the topic was made for, to get an answer to a question. Then later in the thread the question was answered, in which case there is no more purpose to the thread. It really doesn't hurt TOO terribly much to let off-topic chatter go on, but the point is that in their opinion, they believe it would be better for the thread to be closed so that in the future when somebody has a similar problem/question and they find that thread it would be better to have the thread ended somewhere around the point of where the question was answered so that there's not 10 pages to sift through when somebody wants to find an answer to their question.

I said before I really don't want to take either side, you guys are right for wanting to be able to uphold conversation, and there is also the fact that they should be trying to make an enviornment that pleases their paying customers, but you are not paying for the forums alone, the forums are just part of what you get by paying for Graal and there are rules to these forums just as there are rules in the game client, but Darlene has stated several times that all she is doing is her job, and all you guys are saying is that because the rule isn't written down that she has no right to lock the topic, but the fact is that the rule is written down. There is to be no spam on the forums, what is spam? Well not only is spam random posts, but it is off-topic conversation, and that is exactly what she has closed these threads for: Off-topic conversation.

If you want to go to forums with a more lax set of rules then like I said before: either make your own Graal related forums, or you can visit the Delteria forums or some other Graal servers forums, although I'm pretty sure that the other servers forums are pretty inactive.


That is what warnings are for, to let somebody know that they are breaking a rule.

Yes if they break a written rule warn them not one thats made up as you go.

You are acting as if the rules are the 10 commandments and adding onto them is blasphomous. There are certain things that weren't written down because they weren't thought about at the time the rules were being written. There's also the fact that there are some things that are just implied due to the fact that they are in so close relation to what the written rules are.

You guys are trying to get around breaking the rules by saying that it isn't exactly written to how you think it should be written. Get over it. If it's been happening for so long you guys obviously know that according to the people who run these forums what you are doing is against the rules. What this means is that you know that you are breaking rules, weather these rules be written or not. I don't know how to break it down any simpler for you, it's not that hard to comprehend, and I'm sure that every one of you understands this. You guys just want to make life hard for the people who are running these boards, understand that they are LOW LOW LOW LOW payed volonteers, helping out in their spare time. They are following the rules that their bosses tell them to follow, not listening to their bosses could mean termination for them in which case you would have somebody different, who may be less patient than Darlene (If it was me I would have closed this topic when I first saw it) is that what you really want?

Yes it is annoying that you can't carry out an off-topic conversation, but oh well, thats how these forums go, you aren't allowed to carry on off-topic convos, this is something that has been apparantly told to you several times over again, why does it need to be written out for you to understand that it is against the rules if it has been told to you so many times? Are you that low on the evolutionary change that if something isn't written down for you to refer to every day that you won't remember it? I don't mean to insult any of you, I'm sorry for doing so, but you guys are making yourselves out to look very very stupid, and this is coming from the view of an outsider who knows some of you very well, and knows that you guys aren't as stupid as you are making yourselves out to look.

You guys who know me, know that if I think something is bull****, I'll come right out and say it, why not take a step back and realize that you are not being too bright right now, maybe even appologize to Darlene for giving her such a hard time for doing her job?

I'm done as of now though, I'm sorry I got myself involved in this, this is my last post on this subject, I hope that maybe I convinced some of you that you're being a little childish about this, but I highly doubt it.

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side note: One of you (not giving any names) has recently posted a very vulgar picture on the Delterian forums and decided to call the moderater there (Alex Stravier) corrupt for deleting that extremely disgusting picture. I see no difference, you broke an unwritten rule there, and decide to call people corrupt for enforcing this rule which should be obvious to you, and now here you are calling a different moderater corrupt for enforcing an unwritten rule that has been made obvious to you as being a rule.

I'll say again, just because a rule isn't written doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It has been made apparant to all of you that this is a rule, try and follow this rule, and stop your inevidible argument against the forum admins trying to get them to let you do whatever you want. They will enforce the rules that they are hired to enforce, and that is not going to change.

Enough is enough, no more discussion of the rules. No more threads discussing the rules.