Blue and White and head1212, good memory :)

Thats how any playerworld staff would like to see their playerworld, and there is a slight chance you might be right. However history is working against you, plus Malinko and Artanis's bad stigma. I am not taking anything away from the server, but rightfully so I have more then enough reasons to be upset about what is happening right now.


I cant judge todays babylon, I can only judge from history and what I saw when I was on when it had 140 People, And I counted 20 online staff, on their RC. Sure that means 100 of the people were NOT staff, but why were they there? Covered in other threads the reasons some people showed up. They were shocked babylon had players, so they logged on. Most people continued that trend, myself included. Before that there were tons of reports of people massing on other worlds such as UN that Babylon was giving Free NPCs.

Later on when players ask "Will we get to keep all these?" the answer they want to hear is given to them, "Yes". Later on it is discovered that infact, they will not be able to keep all their "Free" npcs "Free" hearts or "Free" Sword/Shieldpower. So why would anyone leave a server they have everything on and hundreds or thousands of hours, to start fresh somewhere with High Staff members who already have a trend of being pathological liars.

I was active every minute since LH Launched, he recruited me on Bravo I think about a week before it went Classic. Babylon has went through a lot of changes but mostly because every manager who gets up there (Malinko, you are no exception, but rather, the primary example) just wants to **** around with what Babylon is because of its apparent playerworld invincibility.

It's not as bad as you think it is. :(




Yeah I wasn't a fan of that. The server isn't there to host parties, it's there for us to work. When players get on it's very distracting and hard to work with 10 noobs pming "LOL KAN I B LAT???" or "LOL IZ LAT HIRING"

It's like, no **** it's hiring. Do you see -any- LATs at all?

I'm the one who goes NO YOU DO NOT GET TO KEEP THESE IDIOTS, etc. :)



Oh cool.

Malinko isn't that bad.

Maybe you are right, and Maybe wrong, but I am also upset that for the second time in a row I was forcefully ran over by someone with power, in favor of them getting their sticky hands on the server because they couldnt before they found their power.

Who are the players more likely to believe though?

Crono [With no Exceptionally Amazing Tag]
or
Malinko and Artanis (Manager and Co-Manager tags)

I know that some people will defend Malinko until the end of time, and I was prepared for stuff like that, just like people did with Nemesis when a similar thing happened back when I was Manager the first time.

I am waiting for him to jump into this thread, praise you, and tell me I am a jealous fool or something. When the fact of the matter is he would not even be touching babylon right now if he hadnt abused his powers and connections as PWA. He also would not even have half those powers if he didnt work most his graalian life at getting props for stealing other peoples work.

x_x; Mal and Art have had power before, on Artlinko.



LAT Admin > Manager :(



Odear. What happened?

Praising me would make me happy, of course, but doesn't change anything. I still consider you a friend and it wont make me go LOL MALINKO FOR PRESIDENT!!1

Mal and I have been friends for a while, and I defend friends so meh. :O

right on the head . im not upset in the slighest about sl's removal . what makes me mad is how the player's just sit around and talk negative about the server and are sure to point out every little problem in sl and also attack the staff personaly . not all of this has no happened here in these forum's but it sure happen's alot in our server forum's . and franklly im getting just abit tired of it . we are working and thing's are being done , but for us staff that are working so long and hard it just irritates us to keep hearing it even tho everyone know's we are in a stage of rebuilding and it all is being kept from the public . so no one know's if changes are even being made so what can people say when they know nothing ? all player's can do is trust that we are doing all we can to rebuild this server , and not for us couse what we do get from finishing the server ? nothing , our work will be done and we'll have no more work to do on graal till we start a new server or go to work on another one . this is all about the player's . dont forget that .

as for other server's each one had it's own quality that made it different from the other server's . if all the graal server's spent their time just copying what every other server does their would be no varity . there would be no point to making 3000 playerworld's if they all looked the same and had the same stuff . so please dont tell us we need to do like this server when they did this couse it's realy redundant . all server's have thing's that seperate them from the rest , this is what people come to these server's for . there are still alot of server's out there that deserve their time on the classic list but not all of them are gona make it there , if you wana go with statistic's there have been very few server's to even make it to the hosted list , and look how many of them idle there for year's .

the only way to make a server and make it stay on classic or better is if you do like zone . you keep it hush hush till it's 100% complete then throw it out there to be put on the list . and yes i know it is still being changed but the point is . the server wasnt half way done when it was put up for global investigation . it was 100% done , it had everything they wanted , everything worked . granted they still may be making changes but it had plenty to do and being it didnt have a start and finish (as it's just a big war server) they was no real need to do more work to it .

i never really played babylon much but it was a decent server with enough to do . i dont doubt that one day it will return again better then ever but if they say it isnt ready yet then trust that they arnt ready to release it yet . i mean come on if era can keep comeing back it shouldnt be hard for a decent server like bab to come back again . no offence to the era guy's but i just never was much for the retro bs . i just allway's liked midevil better .

Babylon will crush unholy nation. As for Zodiac, it'll be a bomy lands repeat.. but playerworlds like shangri-la, zenkou, and relic need to be moved to classic or something. They are very good playerworlds and I don't see too many things that is wrong with them execpt Shangri-La i'm now manager since all the staff have bumed out on it since shawns death i'm working on repairing some scripts. I need Pwa to come inspect and tell me what needs to be done before we can go to hosted. I'd make a support ticket but i'd be ignored and deleted before it gets even noticed.

Oh god, I hate this Phrase Throttle stuff so much, makes getting this conversation further on the road a bit harder. Anyways.

Thats not a fair comparison, a nothing server ran by a few nobodies with no real managerial experince does not constitute a legitimate reason for gaining power on a popular server (No matter classic or otherwise). How about because the guys who run FFF come and take over, say, N-Pulse? (So what if its farfetched, lol, its an example). Artlinko was never classic, nor had any (stable or otherwise) playerbase. He is simply riding off the popularity and novelty babylon still holds in a lot of players hearts. Since they dont have Mithica or Elven Lands, to run back too.

Shockingly enough I have got to agree with you there. The Manager is only as good as his or her staff, if they continue to put themselves above you as far as ranks and power go, they are worthless.
If you are a true Manager, your staff should always come before you ;)

Not sure if you remember the whole Nemesis, Kish, DL, and Devil thing that happened a few years ago that ended up with Nemesis telling bs to Stefan to validate removing me from manager when the players on the world were causing trouble over Nemesis making DL manager. Similar thing here. Malinko made Odin the Manager, Odin Made me Co-Manager because he knew he would be away and I would take care of the server. Few days later, Malinko is on and im messaged on AIM by Sinna, I log on to confront him, he says and I quote. "I am PWA, I can do this if I want" and removed me!

Same case basically, I heard more about the problems on AIM going on with the Malinko/Artanis situation then anyone on Graal must have, and I had no power or nothing to do about it. Everyone I tried to get to help us, was tied (due to Malinkos somehow AMAZING high staff connections).

Yeah, the whole point of that was Malinko always seems to interupt one of my threads with the same speech. Its getting tired because he cant confront everything he did now that someone is really speaking about it, and its a shame. I still consider you a friend even though we dont talk as much as before, and appriciate that this hasnt degraded as far as it could have.

Again cool, and I wouldnt expect you to choose between friends, I just want to make sure everyone sees all the facts laying on the table. Its no good for anyone when things remain hidden and unsaid for so long. Its just a shame that no one could do anything about it, because its really not right. Unfortunatly myself aswell as a flock of old babylon developers, will never see that light again, because of what has happened in the past half-year or more.

On the off chance none of this ever happened, babylon would be THE best classic server. Not a host to random parties for non-existant gloating rights.

ok , explain un ? the server completlly blow's and it has one of the highest player count's of any server 95% of the time . im seeing that christian need to explain everything , even if there's nothing behind it but a person's theory.

ok , were not making a whole new ow . the ow is the least of the project , and all were doing is cleaning it up and putting everything where it was suppose to go in the first place . creating a whole new ow would be as you basically said , a waste of time . the player's arnt gona care about a server just couse of a quick level revamp . the main reason behind this work on sl was due to old improperlly scripted ncp's . beside's to finaly finish the server .but enough about sl . what about bab , i havent heard squat about that server in forever . as for del , i like the new tiles and new look but i dont like how resticted they have become . i went there once looking for a job and the staff wouldnt answer my pm's asking where to go . i eventually changed my nick to something stupid like looking for a lat job and got jailed . and still am there after what ? six month's . after that i had little respect for the staff of the server itself . i can see jailing a person for nick abuse but it would have to be a real graal rule for me to except the jailing . being jailed for asking about a job just made me mad enough to never go back there again .

Update:

Atlantis is virtually dead. It never has any players. It has NO staff. I haven't seen anyone on it recently, maybe 1-3 people just stopping by to see what the hell Atlantis is.

Don't use the timezone excuse, I live in Sweden. I'm on during the "prime time" of my timezone and America's. This server should be removed, why is it still up?

I could go technical and say that it has a horrible Q menu, horrible levels, and no playerbase.

Yeah, but Atlantis is the only German server that works...

I am sure that PWA could go in there and if there is no staff members that they can probaly hire a new crew.

Meh, no excuse for it to have 0 players all the time.

Good idea, because the server has 0 players. Isn't there some kind of requirement for classic servers to stay anymore?

Doesnt look like it.

As long as the server is payed for it stays I believe.

Classic servers are never payed for...

Delteria should be taken down as it's being developed on a dev server anyway. Once they finish they can bring back the Delteria server and boom.

Atlantis should just be taken down as it's dead.

Delteria is not dead though, it still has players logging on. Even if it's not much we still have them.

Maybe like, 5?

I'll have to agree with Crono here. I do like Delteria and all, but its been dead for over a year now. The most I ever see on there is about 20 - 25 people, and thats during its tourney hours if the ET's are even on to host the tournies. We are under HEAVY development right now and due to our shortage of active staff members we probably won't be done anytime soon. I am probably one of the biggest advocates of Delteria, but I honestly would completely understand if it were to be taken off the classic tab until the new overworld is completed. I saw a couple of posts from random people trying to defend Delteria, all from people who actively play on other servers, and my only response to them is that if you feel Delteria is a good server and deserves to stay on the classic list you guys should try to log on a little bit more. Right now it's 4:00 on a wednsday, primetime for Graal playing, yet Delteria's current playercount is 0.

Maybe one day people will flock back, but it obviously isn't going to be anytime soon, just like SL, and Atlantis, it needs a major makeover before it is going to appeal to the players again, and even after development is done, it is very iffy as to weather or not people will leave UN, Npulse, Era, Classic, and Mal to actively play on Delteria again. You never know, tomorrow the playercount could jump to around 50 and stay there for a while, but as of right now Delteria has no business being on the classic tab.

I myself have been playing Delteria since 2001. It's sad to see it with 0 players and **** but logging on won't help. Delteria needs it's 50-80 player playerbase back.

I say delteria goes off the classic list and we wait for new delteria to pop up. Good thing about this is that new players will flock when it comes up since its a "new" server. :)

Babylon will crush Unholy Nation?

Since when has a server appeared and had a higher playercount than UN on a 100% consistent basis? Never.

It's not going to happen. A newly released (not new, newly released) server will appear and get some hype for a day or so, and then it ends up falling down in the playerlist.

The only server that really competes with UN is Era, and that's probably because the server is so incredibly unique (compared to the rest of Graal, for sure). People go there for a change.

I'm going to use my 8hour post for this thread, the thread is a joke itself. People putting down on a server, mostly midbies you didnt even play when SL were first put up thinks players haven't played there, YES SL had quite a few players in the past.

It were going down, playercount were low at certain times but we used to have a playercount up to 30-35 people at certain times,
which actually is better THEN most of the servers, also it had it times when there were 0 people on SL and 20 people on UN.

That James need to put down from management, is the dumbest thing i've heard, it doesn't get better because someone else takes over, without James SL would have been dead a long time ago, because at a certain time no one in high management had the interest to take over the responsibility. James knows what he's doing, "ir13" or whatever your nick is, perhaps you should get some experience in management skills and development skills, ideas etc etc before you even lay a comment about it,
I highly doubt that you can do anything, besides hosting event and saying warpto, no offence really.

Other then that, no problem that SL is put down at the moment, at least I didn't read all posts about the whining in here, I should consider myself lucky because most of the pathetic posts came from people who don't know how to upload levels.

30 players on a classic server isn't impressive, seeing that private servers which r gold/vip only hit... 50+?

actually with today's graal count youd be surprised to see thirty people on the same server at the same time . and dont give me no bs about how they excede that number couse yes they do , for like the four hour's kids arnt in school or their bed . and for the rest of the day , surprise hardly anyone is on . now ive noticed a few thing's looking back throu this post . for one infernix , you said something about how it looked the last time you were on sl but really how long have you held a job at sl ? a few week's to a day . the last time i hired you it wasnt even a week and you were missing . chris you said something about sl holding a player count of fifty to sixty and then dropped off , i hate to disagree with you but when i came to sl the player count was 80 to 100 . and some times over a hundred . it's easy sit back and complain all the time , but less easyer then that is to just walk away and go to another server . you people are starting to make me sick , instead of stepping up and doing something about it youd all rather just sit back , complain and publically blame the server's failure on it's staff . when in all actaullaty if it wasnt for these staff your blameing the server would be long gone with no hope of being finished , seen again or even remmber except for the few nerd's that wish to live in the past . what happened in sl's past in it's past , we need to start looking forward and not back . everyone want's to talk about what happened on sl back then , well if your that conserned build yourself's a time machine and go live in the past forever . the rest of us that are still determinded to do this will be moving forward . and it dont matter if sl does get shut down . we will buy another server and push forward . and the more you all sit here and bash the server publically just give us that extra drive . we will do this just despite you people . dont matter what you people think , or what you want , sl will be back .

Well said Loakey. *Claps* A couple proper punctuations would've made it so much better. :(

You are quite the funny man that pms EVERYONE about your fun server that gives out free "guns and much more",
will you PLEASE stop pming every person on every server to come and join your server, becuase frankly if I want to join your server, I JOIN IT.

Now this didn't have anything to do with your post, this doesn't have anything to do with your post either:
I would never want to play on a modern server which got every single idea from era because they are too lazy to actually think of something themselves, same tilesetstyle, the guns etc etc etc,

so there, now please stop advertising your server.

If you wanna talk about impressive playerscounts we should perhaps go back in time, way back, when classic had 500 players?
500 people thats like 2x as much at american timezones. Then you had the ghost mode, which in fact is a BIG factor why all this happened,
I think you don't know what ghostmode was, I will explain for you what ghostmode is:
At a special playercount the graalserver couldn't take in more players, so you had to sit and wait as a ghost untill some player left, usually it said like
-300 players left untill you can logon- I mean it was pointless then ofcourse,

some people decided to whine over a FREE game and got it p2p, at least we dont have to wait in ghostmode,
but we lost about 1000 players due to this.

Who to blaim really? The players that cried all day not knowing what were going to happen, I actually remember the forumpost there Unixmad announced that you would have to pay for the game,
people said "good job" "yay! we have to pay!", I guess alot of people changed their minds.
:)

sorry , you must have mistaken me for someone that gives a damn . : )

Amen brother.

I'm still struggling to understand the point in removing a server that is developing from the server list. If they are removed from the classic tab, people forget about the server, and when it comes back up, it gets the same sypnosis as Bomy Lands had.

If you leave Delteria up, people will see that it has a semi-low playercount at times, but then will also notice when the playercount raises due to the new overworld. If it just shows up out of nowhere again, people will assume it will be another one of those servers that will be popular for a week and then fall right back down, which could very well happen.

I just don't understand what your rush is to remove half of the servers from the classic tab. They have a lower playercount than they previously did, but they have also been around for a long enough time that they should recieve the respect from the globals to remain up during their rebuilding time.

While yes, I would understand the want to remove it from the classic tab, as it HAS been dead for a year or so now, I don't believe it will leave a positive influence in the long run. If it was constantly at 0, and people didn't even log on to visit tourneys, etc., then I'd say remove it. However I have noticed several times logging in that it does often have a playercount in the double digits, which means that enough people do care about it.

Those are my thoughts on the situation. I am in no way a Delteria representative, nor do I even work for the server. Those are just my feelings towards the matter.

Is it really affecting you so much that it has to be removed?

Yes, I cry myself to sleep.

It does make the list look sort of cluttered and messy, not to mention somewhat bleak and depressing.

Uhmm last I checked there were less than 10 hosted Classic servers. I dunno about anybody else, but that definately doesn't qualify the list as being "cluttered" to me.

Rather it makes it look more inactive and playerworlds should have restrictions. When theres 0 players on a lot of the time there's obviously a problem.