Shut your ****ing mouth, idiot. You don't know and you will never know why he did that, don't come here with these stupid comments.

there is NO good reason for suicide

He caused pain to others because he couldn't handle it. He is a coward.

I was angry at him at first, too. But it was his choice. Stop calling him names.

It's more like a label. Anyway, the point is, he caused more pain than he could have been suffereing from. And lonely? Look at all the people who now miss him, somehow, I don't think he was lonely, he had an idea in his head that continually resurfaced. It is a bit cowardly, however, what's done is done, however, now, all we can hope for is for his family and friends to get through this rough time, and for his soul to eventualy find rest. Although hell can be the very oppocite. :frown: (btw, don't make this a religious thread, I am expressing my beliefs, you wouldn't be mad that his grave will most likely be at a church, or that a preist will be helping the family out, so don't consider this the beggining of an argument. Although I find that religion can discourage suicide very easily)

There really is no good reason for suicide, unless your life is being threatened and you find yourself in a situation were your gonig to die either way, and the other way is much worse :X Which this was not the case, which is also why I asked if he was drunk or high or w.e


He seemed like a nice guy and a great manager, but there is no doubt that if he died the way you say it was more or less the easy way out, and he didn't consider how it might effect other people.

Most people who commit suicide are drowning in their own problems. To say that they do not think of anyone else, might be very incorrect. It is very possible that they might think that everyone would be better off without them, even though that may not be true..
It is also very possible that they are so wrapped up in whatever it is that has brought them to the point of suicide, to even think of anything/anyone else (although not on purpose).
Unless you can get into someones mind at the exact point that they are taking their life, then there is no way that you can know what that person is feeling, you can only guess. Only he has walked in his shoes, and only he knows exactly what took him to that point.
I think it is unfair for anyone to call him a coward or whatever, without complete understanding of what was going on in his head.

This thread is to say good-bye, not to debate on the right or wrong of what he did.
I would expect the thread to be one of respect for him and his family, and not a fued.

Would you stop? Why do you get to say where threads ago? Threads stray off topic, stop trying to make this peronal domain.

One thing I always said about death, is that you should forget the death part. Celebrate the person's life, think of the good times. I'd hate for there to be people crying or arguing at my funeral.

Aye, same.

I didn't say that there is a reason for suicide. But nobody knows what he was feeling, and nobody will never know. I just think that idiot comments wouldn't be good here.

Wow, talk about a shock. I hopped on my brother's computer over the weekend and got on the forums for about 5 minutes and saw the thread Shawn64 and assumed that it was a birthday thread, so I never clicked on it. Talk about sad.

But yeah, there is no real good reason. I personally think that things like blogs and new trends increase suicides becuase people think they they have a worse life then they actually do. Now I have no way to prove that this applies to Shawn, but I'm just making a point.

I agree, although I as well as some of you might not like the way he died or his choice in doing so, why not just stick to the good stuff he did while he was here.

I tried thinking of the good times. Then I got depressed because I realized there wouldn't BE anymore good times.

how is that an idiot comment that he made? Also who are you to tell us what our beliefs are? I havent posted in this thread yet because I didnt really know Shawn, but I did have respect for his talents.

I recall in this thread i think Kuji that Shawn was an Athiest, so if this is true why do you care if someone else thinks he will go to hell? He obviously didnt believe in it.

For everyone who does including myself, we have our own beliefs and it is neither stupid nor *****ic to have them.

Shawn was obviously in a very difficult stage of trauma. He couldn't cope with his life, he saw the pain as so unbearable that he had to resort to suicide. At the age of which he was, little problems can build up and you feel that your life couldn't get any worse. They eat away at you... One just has to regain self-control and get through with it. Poor Shawn obviously had it much worse, thus he did what he felt was the only escape.

I think it's about time we all drop the subject and put it behind us? :O

I agree with Yen. This is a thread to inform people of the death of a friend and for you to show your respects. Not a place for you to argue or discuss your opinions on religion or why he did it. You should just leave your respects and condolences and leave it at that.

Amen!

NO!

People are allowed to have their own opinion. Sometimes people say negative things. Get over it. As long as they aren't bashing him for useless reasons, then there is no reason they can't express their opinion. That's in, plain and simple.

People can think what they think, and post what they think, as long as it doesn't cross the line. Where is the line? That is for the mods to decide. But if we are going to start drawing the line at negative opinions of things, then we'll lose a lot of memebers.

he didnt want it on the hosted tab, it got put there, and then he asked to take it off
he told me like 3 times that he wanted it either on the classic tab, or on no tab at all


and mykel, we know people are allowed to have their own opinion on stuff...its just that this thread isnt the right place to argue

All I'm saying is this thread wasn't made for you to debate why he did it or what you think. This thread was made to inform and for people to show their respects. I'm saying to act more mature and have some respect and find another place to debate your opinions and beliefs. If you want to have a discussion on religion and whether suicide is the worst sin ever then you should have the respect to do it somewhere else. I never said you had to stop posting about it, I said you should. You are entitled to your opinion and you can voice it where you please. I'm just saying if you were more respectful, you would have the courtesy to do it in another thread.

True, I'm tired of users bashing on Shawn and also saying I don't know him or anything and then those who on un walk into his memorial level and disrespect the fact that he has passed away it bothers me badly, if you don't care about him keep your mouth shut if you do get your feelings out. :whatever:

Interesting comment, to be honest from the information I gathered Shawn Noel wanted to take his life away because of lonelyness. That seems to be the most reasonable explanation i've heard.

We live in a multi cultural society where friends are a survival tool at school not to get bullied. We all know that the 'loner kid' in the class always gets picked on because he's different and has no friends to the other typical kids. And now Shawns probably become a statistic of those kids.

Of course I dont know for a fact the reason for his death and I hardly knew him but Im explaining the the real possibility about thow that is probably true.

To be honest, we all have rough patches in our teen years, he musta had it bad if he had the guts to take his life away, and c'mon its hard to take your life away it takes GUTS. He must have had a good reason for taking his life away not just some petty one like I dont know, he forgot to eat his breakfast in the morning.

Anyway, I never knew the kid but maybe it'd explain a small amount of stuff, just saying it makes sense he probably killed himself because he was lonered.

makes sense no?

And i'm also very much in agreeing to this post.
We have nothing to debate over, whats done is done. Think of the cool times and move on, i'm sure half of you that knew him only knew him through graal and several other ways of communicating. As much as I look up to all the great developers in the world you cant think too much of him because you only knew him over text.

That's the harsh reality of it (for most of you that knew him)

so please dont bite my head off. From what I know he was very respectable for his work, lets keep it there and not make things too personal.

There's a difference between expressing your opinion and harassment.

Starting/posting-in a general suicide thread on the Non-Graal Related board would be constructive, as it would be a place for everybody who wants to argue their opinion a place to.

Expressing your opinion in a thread such as this that you know you will offend people is different. All you will achieve in addition by expressing that particular opinion in this thread in the manner you do will be offending others.

You can express your opinion; however, it is your choice if you want to offend people or not. You chose to offend people. That's harassment.

Yeah, you have an opinion (even if expressing it is a priveledge, not a right), but to make the decision to offend people when you could perfectly express it without is wrong. It is a clear violation of GraalOnline's code of conduct. All you accomplish in addition is harassment, argument, and stirring hatred.

If you have a generalized opinion that you want to express, please, go make a thread for it. Those who want to argue it can go there. That will keep the peace and make EVERYBODY happy, except those who want to start fights, and well, satisfying those who want to start fights is not exactly a top-priority.

Very true. And I expressed my opinion.

This is your opinion as to what constructive would be. Shaun, the thread was about someone who committed suicide, so suicide related talks seem pretty approaite to me.

I'm not going to walk on eggshells around everyone just to make sure I don't offend anyone. Sorry, not happening. You can continue living your politically correct life, but I'll live for me, thanks.

I didn't choose to offend anyone. I gave my opinion. I didn't purposely do it for the purpose of offending someone. If that's what happened, then that's what happened.


Okay Shaun, then why didn't you make a different thread for this post? What does this post have to do with his suicide? Absolutely nothing. Don't be a hypocrite.

Good point. Could a moderator please split this current discussion into a new thread in non-graal-related? I don't think it's appropriate extending this discussion any longer in this thread, as Mykel pointed out. Thanks.

Oh that's quite sad.

'people who commit suicide go to hell '.

That is such an idiot comment, isn't that ?! I'm not discussing beliefs here dude, I just think that he said a very idiot comment. If he thinks that, that's his opinion, he should keep it for himself. There is no need to discuss if what he did is wrong or not, the fact is that time can't go back, we can't help him anymore. So a bit of respect would be good here.

I am nothing to tell you what your beliefs are, but I was one of Shawn's friend, and I want respect on here, not people saying where he goes after death. :\

This thread should be closed, this should be a sad thread, not a discussion about ethic and religion, iam sure he hasnt deserved that.

Better come up with a reason backed up by the rules then.

This farewell thread is developing in a impious discussion.
It has nothing to do with rules, it has to do with good manners and behavior!

You almost wouldn't say Kaimetsu has gone with all the ethic *****ing in a thread dedicated to something completely different.

Good mannors and good behavior by your interpretation. We can't close threads because of individual interpretation. That is why we have the rules in the first place.

Well, if he wasn't Christian then his belief would be that he would go to hell. Although, didn't someone in this thread say he was an atheist? Which means nothing happens.

That's not atheism.

In Greek I believe it means 'lack of belief in gods'.

He will so badly kick your asses as a ghost, id do the same x_x Seriously, just pay your respects and stop this discussion, it's pretty disrespectful.

Yes, it is. The belief is you become non-existant, similar to before you were born. That means no afterlife.

No, it means you don't believe in a god, look it up:

Hindus believe in gods, but not in an afterlife. You don't have to believe in gods to believe in an afterlife.