abuse != abusive

staff staff :D

Rofl GoZelda :D
But in my defense, I made (and made publicly available) over 12 npc's. *sigh* arguing with Seltic is like telling your Grandmother that you aren't hungry. :(

I'm usually saying I'm not hungry just so she'll stop asking. Never works.

Exactly. :(

Ok... my definition of abuse from staff would be, anything staff does that disrupts players fun during the game... Thats basic I could go into more detail. But I would say making abusive NPC's that you can shoot at players and it kills them (and you then hold it down so as soon as they get up it kills them again)... he had a few of those, an plenty of other things that just pissed several players off... As for making 12 NPCs for Delt pff. w/e but he made way more abusive ones, and I know atleast 1 if not a few more of his NPC's he made from Delt were taken down because they broke graal rules... Like the ***** NPC he made... And Null, you only made a few NPCs that were for everyone on Delt, the other ones you say are for the players, were only for players you selected who could have them.

Oh and Delteria's current map can be found here... The numbers represent the quests. http://img.photobucket.com/album s/v232/leediana/DeltMap.jpg

I'd say the idiocy of that last "paragraph" rules in the favor of you being an idiot Seltic.

Oh I am hurt, you think I am an idiot, what will I do now... ::sarcasm::

Anyways, first Refino and now you, I am done with arguements. I started this topic for a reason, lets get back to it.

Yes, please do so.

Anyway, will Delteria be improving their Class System? In my opinion the current Classes are'nt very creative, but not bad. It could use a little more improvements though.

Yes, will will be editing the class systems for the better, but I am pretty sure TUp said he would work on that after we have the overworld ready to go up.

Erm, what? Veracity never had any such NPC. I'd know, because I'm the only competent scripter in Veracity. We never had any NPC like that, and it'd be damned tough to make an efficently player-accessable NPC that does that.

Anyways, stop the arguing, people. take it to AIM or something.

We've made little progress in the last few days, mostly because I havn't seen Lil Thief. If he doesn't give us some kind of information to work from within the next few days, I'm just gonna say 'screw it' and begin work on my version of the overworld. He's taking way too long.

Tup they did have an NPC that did that... OR atleast someone did, I was pretty sure Refino told me high Veracity members, Tort and such...

Acctually here is the lowdown with the NPC in question, as I am a Blood Reaver of the Hunters, and I was an Archon at the time we were on Delteria and left I am privy to the information at hand.

Calani created an NPC -tap that could be placed on anyone at anytime that would log any chat, including toguild information and placed it in the logs folder. Anyone with read access to the log folder could then open these logs and review any and all information that individual who was tapped had either chatted or toguild'd or toall'd. At the time Calani was a PWA, new to the crew and was interested in preserving Delteria as it seemed that Spark and houdini(not a dig at either) were interested in pretty much closing the whole server down. Calani designed this NPC (probably with good intentions in mind) to be able to track any potential hacker messages, etc. This NPC was placed on Zeromus and Refino and thier toguilds were (and as far as I know still are) recorded in a log file. These "Taps" were then mailciously used to harass the hunters as well as inform our enemies at the time (Veracity to name but one) of our plans for attacks and other such maneuvers. This was the final straw for us, as most of you can imagine years of torment from staff and players had taken it's toll on our conciousness.

Previous "abuse" included Tuppers little statues and trees blocking our entrance (Tupper you were the only one I remember by name but I know there were others who did it too.) Antrax liked to warp hunters to different points on the map as well as warp us mysterously to the hell level(not cool, it would do nothing but repeatedly kill you.) Staff and Veracity members blatently recolouring our gfx that members had designed over the years to suit thier needs (if the veracity gh is still up check out those strobe lights as well as the banners, and tell me they were not ripped.) There was the staff who liked to ignore the players and thier wishes (yes I was GP Chief and it led to me quitting) with such comments on RC as "We'll make the server the way we want, the players will just have to deal, we aren't designing this server for the players, I am designing this server for me."

All in all, I personally am glad we left, I loved the server when SP Agent was Server Manager, (no, not when SP was on an extended LOA) Back in the days of Maximus at the Helm, Zega, Cloven, SP, and Tangy Poptart backing him up. These are the days of Delteria I loved, not the times where we were battered and bashed down day in and day out. Not the days when wearing Hunter in your name meant you were automatically a laming, hacking *******. These were the days when you were proud to be a Delterian...But alas these days are gone as are the Hunters, if you want us back, sorry, it isn't going to happen. Hell when Zeromus and I were personally involved in negotiations with Sp Agent for our return the staff did nothing more than digitally spit on us. I don't feel as though Delteria has that spark anymore and I don't feel that the server should be resurected because as we all know it will do nothing more than take a nose dive as it has done so many times before.

I hope this little piece of insight from a high ranking hunter helps you to understand why it is we will never return. If it does not then I appologize for taking up so much of your valuable time.

-Lord Bumbo Hunter, Blood Reaver of the Kiith-Sa Hunter (MHX)

I never saw any such NPC, nor did I ever hear of anyone ever using it. I've asked a few staff members about it, and even asked some of the leaders of guilds at the time. No NPC ever existed, nor could any NPC ever log toalls (they don't ever reach the chatfield). I don't understand all of these references to 'torment,' espically targetted specifically to MHX. The Hunters were undoubtedly the most powerful guild in existence at points in time on Delteria. You had the power to respond to said abuses, and from my experiences and observations, you did so with a vengance. You have no right to say that anyone drove you out of the server. This 'torment,' as you say, is nothing more than schoolyard insults, easily batted away. If you couldn't handle that bit of heat, then you probably were too weak to exist on Delteria.


I created a table inside your guildhouse, and then removed it. That is all. I have never had any such tree or statue creating NPC.

That was the purpose. In the RP sense of Delteria, after MHX moved out, Veracity took over the building and renovated it to our needs. In fact, the light effect scripts were not even made by a Hunter; the comments in the script say otherwise. We did indeed steal your guildhouse, but only because it was in a state of non-use. Before Tortoise had me take it offline, I had helped him modify it extensively. It had little to no similarity to the MHX guildhouse.

If you can recall, Veracity did not have their distinctive 'Aura' colorings when they came to Delteria initially. The only reason Tortoise ever decided on the color scheme (initially) was to contrast with the stark yellows, reds, and blacks of the Hunter garb. Veracity's purpose in attacking MHX, outside of the roleplaying aspect, was to act as a balancing force. It only made sense that they would recolor your graphics for their own use.

I agree with this. There have been a few arrogant staff members that thankfully are now gone.

We really don't want nor need you back. Indeed, guilds were a very good source of playercount, and still are. However, just because one guild leaves does not mean another cannot rise. We have several new guilds rising out of the ashes of Veracity and MHX, and with the new overworld\classes, even more people are joining us for a long-term stay. You seem to be placing way too much credit in your own hands. Delteria has had its ups and downs, but MHX is most definitely not the reason for our success. You had a hand in giving us a garunteed 25+ playercount back in the day, but those days are gone.

Wearing Hunter in your name never gave the meaning that you were a lamer\hacker\newbie. It certainly garnered respect from the new players as MHX was, to them, a huge organized guild that appeared to be dominating. It got respect from the other guilds due to their immense power, and from the Staff due to their huge amount of influence in both players and their own staff.

Again, we don't want you back. You make it seem like that we really do want you back, and yet I have seen little to no mention of the guild in the last few weeks. Delteria seems to be carrying on well (even better) without you, even if it is not your fault. I'm sorry to see you so pissed off for such immature and irrelevant reasons, but I suppose that is how it must be.


ANYWAYS, we have begun work on the overworld. I'm busy trying to get the levelgen to cooperate with me, and I'm trying to get a good size for the playerworld. I don't want to make it huge, but too small is also bad. I'm trying to approximate the size of old Delteria, since a few levels will be simply copied and pasted.

I have it on good authority that the NPC did indeed exist as the former manager was the one who removed it, I mean hell your by-monthly visits probably missed it.

As I stated "(Tupper you were the only one I remember by name but I know there were others who did it too.) "

The lighting effects were created for us by a friend and a former Hunter, Dema. You want to inform him on Babylon that his NPCs were being used by non-hunters, you go right ahead. And as far as I know theft of gfx is theft of gfx. Under your ideology I should go into the Louvre and steal the Mona Lisa and recolour it to allow me to call it my own.

Anyways, I have made my points and they are valid to those concerned, anyone who wants to play Delteria go for it(providing you are not a hunter because we don't want our info leaked). I am not trying to dissuade anyone but I'll give you fair warning that they have monitored messages before and they can do it again very easily.

-Lord Bumbo Hunter, Blood Reaver of the Kiith-Sa Hunter (MHX)

It did exist. It may not have logged toalls and stuff like that, but it existed. I remember the occurance quite clearly. I logged on RC and noticed everything Zeromus saying was being repeated by the NPC Server. When I informed Zeromus about this, Dys put it on me. Now, there were two NPCs, -tap and -tap2. One of them created a log file, and one of them repeated it in RC Chat. Zeromus had both, I only had the repeat into RC Chat one. After Dys put it on me, he removed my rights to set player attributes or to set my own attributes. However, I ended up removing it from myself using a staff NPC.

If I recall correctly, you, among other Delterian Staff (ie: Kirby, Jazzy) had an NPC that would lay lamps. I believe that is what Bumbo was referring to.

As Bumbo said, Dema made them. He plays on Babylon as "Silent" if you wish to contact him about it. He basically scripted everything in the nexus, at least the one that was on Delteria.

Maybe you and some other fellow former Veracity members don't want us back, but heh, that's not my position to judge.

Before anyone flames me about what I've posted, it was just meant to help clear up the truth. That's all.

-Refino

I had no recollection of it, and no NPC exists today. If something like that ever showed up today, it'd be removed without question.

We do. HOWEVER, I made the NPC after MHX left.


Little to no Veracity members play anymore. Nobody else even knows what MHX is; most of our players are fairly new.

If it did, I didn't know about it, and it sure as hell wouldn't have existed long under my knowledge. And I'm on Delteria nearly all the time I can spare, although its only on RC, working on scripts. Please don't assume how long I am on Delteria when you yourself do not log on at all.

The Hunter graphics are CERTAINLY NOT Leonardo de Vinci's work, or even approach the quality. The world will not end if we take some graphics, and modify them. They don't even look the same. No graphics of MHX's were ported directly over with a simple color change; they were completely reworked. They simply used them as a template.

The staff who has 'monitored messages' in the past are long gone, and nobody online is capable of doing any such thing other than myself (and I trust you to assume that I will not do any such thing :rolleyes: )

Anyways, Bumbo, I know I am being a hypocrite here, but please stop arguing. These things are in the past and do not matter anymore.

No one cares about Delteria on the global forums. Make new Delteria forums. Fight there.

^was thinking this while I was typing it out.

I miss the Delteria forums :frown:

Wow... I missed a lot over my small vacation, then internet problems...

Well I will just address the few small things I have knowledge of,

1) Yes the said -tap thing did exist, although I never saw it in action, I was aware of it being there. Although we know how I feel about many of the hunters rules ;) I, like Tupper, would of objected to such action if I was staff at the time. Sadely, I found out about it, after it was to late.

2) bumbo, you said we could do it again, yes we probably could, but like Tupper said, we have gotten ride of most of, if not all of the corrupt staff. Even I have noticed a change in people I used to believe to be some of Delts greatest problems, Dys, meeks. After a warning from globals I haven't seen to much problems conflicting from them, so as for the abuse, it is pretty much gone.

3) I can only hope this new OW does help Delt, giving players something to do besides idle and talk to people :/ But, this will only be a start, we will need to continue getting new things and events that will keep people wanted to play, this OW will help, but we are gonig to need to keep at it, to restore Delt to its glory.

4) Hunters are long gone, there is probably very little chance they will ever return. But again, like tupper said, I was disappointed when I first found out why the hunters would put a ban on a server. I was disappointed that they would leave because of a little -tap thing and some little insults you get here and there. Being the biggest guild out there, of course you are gonig to get insults, get over it, smaller guilds/enemy guild are going to insult you either because they are probably jelous you beat them in war, or something else you did that prooves you are better then them in that certain skill... But running away for a few little insults, thats sad. And that whole, "we were helpless" thing is also some bs. Hunters made up a good portion of the Delterian staff team, it had the ability to object to abuse, and it did at many points. But Zeromus wasn't so bad at abusing himself ;) In the long run, I was amazed that you had such control over your members on a game that they would leave a server they loved just because Zeromus told them to... I found that rather pitiful on thier part, but I did find it amusing at the power you contained to make such an action work.

5) I think what Tup said was true, now that the abusive staff are either fired, or have been convinced to stop and return to actually helping Delteria, we can focus more on working to improve instead of having to deal with retards doing stupid things every 5 minutes.

6) We do need our forums back, they were a great help. I wouldn't even mind getting some paid for ones if I actually thought they would be used. I am not that good at setting up forums but if anyone is and cares to help, let me know. I probably would be willing to get us some nice ones if I believe Delterians would be active on them once again.

Sorry for this long, drawn out post, I also do not mean to start an arguement in anyway, I am just stating what I wistness happen or how I feel on matters being discussed.


Edit: Tupper has LT informed you on his OW...? He doesn't seem to want any help on it, but what he doesn't realize is, if you worked together you could get it done a lot faster instead of making two different ones :(

Those fancy light pillars are modified from a script that someone else created (I forget who, sorry).
I don't like them much anyway, they lag my poor little PC :frown:


The Babylon nexus (not the current one) was my creation, but the layout (and probably some scripts) were changed for the Delteria one.

LT is almost never online, its very annoying. I can't contact him to get his levels or anything.

oic. He is normally only on in the morning, since he is in England I believe. Which is like when you are never on so :/

Wtf he told me he was from Winnipeg. ;[

Actually I see him on at night now.. not in the morning or day

LT is on pretty much all day everyday... I see him Morning, afternoon, evening.. overnight....

and yes he is from Winnepeg......

oic... but he is only active early in the morning... After awhile he always goes afk.

This is a great thread. This thread is so great that I may actually start giving it to my guild members to read as a form of punishment.

I've been asked by a few people to add to this thread so I'm going to. This is one of my few posts on these horrible forums and if you want my actual opinion, come get it where Darlene159 and the other winners can't take it: AIM.

First of all, Seltic, buddy, I don't know where you're getting these crazy ideas about you being Delteria's savior but you're not. If I recall correctly you're a GP. In fact I think you were the GP who got my position after I was forcibly fired by Houdiniman, Protagonist, Calani, and the other global admins. That said, at what point did you think you should start acting as Dev Admin? Furthermore, what the hell do you think you know about messing with playercount? No overworld will change anything. They messed with UNs overworld and they actually dropped in playercount. No classes will change anything. Using NPCWs is perceived as lame and only newbies do it. After the oldbies laugh at them enough they will leave.

Truthfully all that has happened to Delteria is the formation of a third generation gap. The difference is the second generation rode in with Veracity and forcefully joined the server. The third generation has no way of merging with the first or second. Given that, the only way to attract players is to have first and second generation Delterians return, or have talented players form a third generation wave which can actually contend with the current players. This is not impossible and actually started to happen when Kurse and Brett frequented the server, but broke down when Kurse left for college.

Where does the third generation form? The polite way of saying it - the way that wont get me banned from these forums - is that it formed after a series of catastrophies that were, more or less, not the fault of the management at all. Darsax was an entirely competent manager, and the fact that he felt he had to quit last night is unfortunate. Some of these catastrophies include:
*Azuretek deleting the Delteria forums
*On and off banning of Veracity
*Departure of MHX
*The three-week removal of Delteria from the classic tab

Altogether, those four problems account for a population loss of around 50. About half of that is due to the last two. However, what Zeromus and other MHX officials do not like to admit is that the departure of MHX was only successful due to Houdiniman's efforts at getting Delteria shut down. Consider the following posts from the comcenter:
According to 4-year administrator Dysangelist, the removal of Delteria from the classic tab happened around the same time Zeromus made this announcement:
I'll readily admit that the Kiith-sa Hunter unit was about 1/3rd of the Delterian population. I'll also admit that Kiith-sa Hunter vs. Veracity constantly going on made Delteria a very attractive place to play. However, without "assistance" from the global admins, it is unlikely that MHX would've been able to leave without turnover and the creation of a spliner guild: this happened before on Babylon. Additionally, after Babylon was removed from the classic list, the server pretty much died. This is just history repeating itself.

No playercount loss is the fault of the developers or server management. In fact, management and staff members have always worked well to make Delteria a fun place to play. It is, instead, the fault of the global administration that Delteria continues to spiral downward in terms of playercount. In fact, last night, our server manager DarSax quit his position due to the following message left by Houdiniman, a PWA:
There is no reason to continually blame the great staff team Delteria possesses when the problem lies elsewhere.

I think HoudiniMan should be banned from Delteria.
He obviously has a personal problem with the server, due to past events.
On top of that, he seems to 'stalk' me. Whenever I do something wrong or make a mistake, Houdini pops up out of nowhere to 'warn' me. If his 'warnings' mean't anything, I'd have been global'd atleast a dozen times by now.
:( He insults my scripting ability.

Boo. Down with HoudiniMan.

-Rolls out the carpet for Moonie.-

I would never be any good at a Dev Admin... I made this to just give updates, since many people were asking wtf happened to Delt, nothing new is comnig out of it. So that was the point of this thread. As you can see, it wen't downhill : /

Kurse joined the army. He's using his dancing Graal skills to dodge the bullets. :D

Houdini's problems with Delteria tend to go over to Charm. I don't know the whole story, but whenever I read any of the Houdini vs. Veracity/MHX Charm is usually mentioned.

I agree with the problem lieing in Playerworld Administration, that has always been graals weakness, its poor staff team.

People are spending loads of money on this game, and really not getting much out of it, and the people who arent spending money at first, to keep the other players happy and spending money (maybe?) are getting screwed.

If you have a problem with him and his actions you might as well just contact a Graal Admin. Posting your issues with him in a thread won't do anything.

There's nothing wrong with criticism.

I don't think our globals are that bad. But I do think we need more of them. There isn't enough to do what needs to be done. We could use some ones that speak better English as well ;)

You know, if you want to keep your server alive, I am more than certain Zeromus would be willing to take over as manager and we'd be willing to pay to keep 'er alive. :)

-Lord Bumbo Hunter, Blood Reaver of the Kiith-Sa

As much as I hate tortoise he's right :/

Has Delteria tried making some sort of 'pact' with Zeromous?

Rofl no ;)

I would gladly give them enough for 3 servers before that happened : )

I have no problems with most of the people in MHX, but Zeromus as Server Manager, rofl no.

Alot of Delterians have even agreed that losing MHX is one of the factors that Delteria's playercount has decreased.

Why not just work something out? x.x Is it really worth letting Delteria die when you can just work something out?

I would be happy to have MHX back... When Con got on for a few minutes the other day, I was talking to him. He is a cool guy. But I wouldn't want Zeromus as Manager... Plus, he doesn't even play graal anymore? But thier is no doubt MHX did hold a lot of Delts playercount, and a lot left a long with it.

This post is direct from DarSax. I was asked to post it for him.