Graal just needs to be re coded , period.

Graal would truly change with this system. For one, I think we would have to have two kinds of inspectors. One is the free server inspectors and the second would be the p2p inspectors. The p2p inspectors would have to be hard as hell, they need to criticize every single possible detail. Otherwise you will just have 500 people wanting to make p2p playerworlds so they can get real money.

Secondly is how much Cyberjoueur is willing to pay the people. I don't think many people would make a p2p playerworld for about $10 a month, it's quite time consuming. Yet again, it would depend on average server statistics as well as how much Cyberjoueur can pay the p2p owners...

And finally, we need to develop the exsisting p2p playerworld to the fullest extent possible, right now they are idle and useless

LOL
What a stupid, far fetched, communistic idea! Graal does not make enough money to pay the STAFF, how could they afford to pay the people they are hosting? In the real world you PAY to be hosted! The free hosts usually put banners all over your work to get money out of the hosting, which is what the account fee is. $20 for a year is not that much money to play this game. This idea is so ignorant and impractical, it could never work.

If you wanted to make money off of your playerworld I suppose you could make an in-game banner rotator to one of those pay-per-view advertisement sites, as long as showing images from different servers still works...

Hey smart guy I was chosen for AM because of GP work..Nothing to do with 2k1. Also why would I make rules?I am no GM!

Yes I'm the laziest and mose self-centered person sure I'm sorry I don't take the time to ignore every PM I get because I'm "busy" I am multi-talented and answering PM's is not a challenge no it isn't.
Kissing a**?Who'd I kiss a** to move up like that?We've had 3 GP Chief's since I became GP and guess what?ALL of them thought I did a damn good job so maybe it's time for you to bequiet.

kyle, get on 2001.

what about setting it up like lame ass AOL? User referals and all that. Like you advertise to a friend and they sign up as a new user they give your name as a reference and you make a % of the dough. could be a better way to get more peeps around. But personally I doubt graalians will try any harder to make better PW's no matter what you do. BUT, i do think that payment like this will get some of the lazy oldbies with a lot of talent that are too greedy to build for free to start working, hence better PW's.

Turn it down my ass, I've heard of what you asked for. Global RC and all that. And I know enough about you to dish the dirt, you're 18 years year old with no job and obviously can't get a job so you're expecting to be paid from graal. Pretty pathetic, owning a PW would be really cool, because you get to be an admin and hire people and manage your own little world. Being paid is the most stupidest thing I've heard of in a long time, it would just be harder on the PW Inspectors as well because you'd have people sending in PWs left right and center.

no, absolutely not.

excellent

odamn he's old :megaeek: :megaeek: not really :p and he lives with his mom :megaeek: :eek: :megaeek:

haha that too

Btw Konidias why would an Account Manager make rules for PW's?The owner should decide those aslong as they're within a certain fairness...GM's decide that stuff though, not Account Managers.

greed

ROFLAMO
You should pay Stefan to run a server!
You think he gets rich from Graal ?

I wish they would tell you how much servers cost ..

Stefan if you can tell how much you people spend on servers so these people shush it be good

Re: Should P2P playerworld owners be.. paid?
 

wtfs? age limit? does this mean the old server owners like moon god wouldn't get paid? i agree with your idea!

plan and simple, no, its not practical and it brings up 1000 more problems.

ehrm.....in response to the message liquid quoted.....

WTFS??! 30,000 a year? isn't that the only money stefan makes? Graal is his work, isn't it? 30,000....subtract all those costs like the servers,that's not good enough to live off of unless you want stefan living in a small one-room apartment! especially with the needd to support so many playerworlds, a lot of which are complete **** and should improve to show their appreciation, like LiquidIce! go! fix your problems, liquid! last time i remember about your server.....i paused on the side of a spar room ( in the area ment for sitting and watching spars), and then a GP comes in, with no GP tag, he updates the sparroom to have me unpaused, and he PK's me in the room and says it's not illegal cause he's off duty!! so is it legal for Police to go arond hacking when they're off duty?! is this what stefan is spending his money on?! damn....and these servers don't even have stories to them! personally,i think there should be 3 free servers at the most...free main and old N-Pulse w/o MoonGod and Goddess (lmgao)....and something worth playing......it's easy to hax0r on some of these free servers and do other things like cause people to no longer want to play Graal.....it's horrible, I tell ya, horrible! lots of servers get boring after trying the first time for different reasons....you either have no idea WTF you gotta do because the story is not made clear....the scripting of the levels causes you to get stuck, and other bugs..........kthxbye....i'd continue, but i forgot the point of what i was saying....

hahaha.. I NEVER EVER asked for global RC you dipshit

I turned 18 in september.. omg, when you turn 18 does that mean you have to go live in some scrungy apartment and work 9 to 5, and eat ramen noodles to survive? god get a brain please.. you didn't see bill gates working at mcdonalds. I'm starting college in the summer, and unlike you, I don't have to work 9 to 5, I DO get paid off the net.. I already make a large amount of money from my server admin job, I am a certified microsoft networker, I was earning college credit during high school, I was in advance classes since 4th grade.. You can "dish the dirt" right.. :rolleyes:

If I wanted to get some grunt job working 9 to 5 I could go out right now, get one, and say "I have a job I live on my own" big deal, I'm so tired of people telling me how to run my life, especially people that are older then me, with BAD JOBS, BARELY ABLE TO PAY BILLS, telling ME how to MAKE MONEY.

My sisters ex-boyfriend always used to bark at me about that crap when he was living with her.. then she kicked him out, now he is a 24 year old guy, living with his sister, fixing pipes, coming home looking like he got tied to a car and dragged down a muddy road for 20 miles, and then he tries to tell me how I should earn a living. :p

I have had plenty of real jobs, I could get a networking job right now, wiring entire school systems and office buildings, and probably earn more then you're entire family in a year, but I'm fine with the money I'm making now thanks.

Them being motivated to work should not be left up to them being payed by Graal Online ... And another thing, that would totally end most free server production ...

SAC, ive known some people that lived with their mom at 21, its no big deal for him to live with his mom at 18

I just got old enough to buy cigarettes and I'm supposed to be living on my own? LOL.. that's how most people get stuck doing the same thing all their life.. I would like to plan my future, not run out and get some job that I'm going to hate.

Luckily my mom is nice enough to understand that I need time to decide where I want to go and what I want to do. It's not like "well you're 18, get out of my house and fend for yourself"

I just think some of you are being all "non-greedy" to make yourselves look good.. I don't know anyone that plays Graal that wouldn't mind making money doing stuff for Graal.

You have to understand that Stefan just basically copied Zelda 3 and made it online, then eventually him but mostly the players, transformed it into Graal and what you see today.. Then he decides to make things p2p.. do you not think he is making profit from it? I don't care how many expenses you have (and alkaren, you realized you stated the same expenses repeatedly):

Servers, Maintenance, Bandwidth, "the servers themselves", hosting, phone lines, cost of buying computers, cost of buying licenses

All of that is what you normally find in one package deal for dedicated server hosting, and that's what Graal has, because they do not have the server themselves, they have virtual servers, meaning they are located in different locations run by other companies.. I'm sure they pay one flat fee for the server costs (maintenance, service, bandwidth, servers) then they get their little office, and you don't buy computers every day for your office, they buy gameboy advances and sodas, they obviously have extra money. They probably just have a small office with a net connection and a few computers.

They would not be running Graal as p2p if they weren't profiting from it. I highly doubt they are running servers at the office, stefan said he had a DSL line, that isn't anything near enough to run Graal on.

Stefan doesn't want to talk about it because he knows that they profit and thinks that as long as no one mentions paying the people helping Graal, then they will get to keep all the profit they make, from a game they completely copied from zelda 3.

Yes, they are making a profit. A profit that allows them to keep the office, keep the servers up, pay certain employees, buy food, a house, clothes, and the occasional things such as coke or game boy advances. Everyone splurges, but the point is, every little bit helps. Paying people who are running servers that just sap up bandwidth like mad and churn out few customers would be charity; not for Stefan.

Cyberjouer is not a multi-million dollar company. They actually have made enough money from a "Zelda 3" clone to support themselves and even buy an office building and a company. And I will say: That's pretty darn impressive for a guy who programmed a game from Delphi.

This is volenteer work, if you wont work unless your paid, this isnt the game for you. sure its nice and I wouldnt mind getting money for doing work. but still, its volenteer, aka optional. If you were getting paid then youd HAVE to work on your server ALL THE TIME or it would be deleted. becasue why pay "employees" who dont work? *can name a few right now, high admins*

And lets not forget about foreign currancy policies, and W2 forms and taxes. Wed have a big Legal Jumbo to-do about making income. And ofcouse going underground isnt the best thing for an aspiring game.

All in all.. Bad idea.

Hmmm! I do agree with Vermain.

Go Vermain!

lol.. just write down their acct name and/or nickname and tell me .. I deal w/ my staff as I get complaints..

=D

yeh ..
:D

how about this Konidias.. Stefan will pay p2p owners certain % of people who sign up to P2P, but server owners have to pay server cost and taxes. fair?

I dont like this idea at all, stefan needs to money to pay to put the servers up if he pays even more means you pay more for graal which sucks, plus this would only increase the amount of ppl making pws which would decrease the standards i think because less ppl avaible for work, making pw's crappy.
Maybe have some rights..... i dont know like free account or something for an owner ... like an actual account not like BABYACID_NPGP
(im not gp on npulse)

or maybe work out some other thing... i dont know what it would be tho..... =/

yeah...i think this is not a good idea
 

I didnt bother to read the X number of pages in between here and the 1st page, because it normally jumps off topic and ends up like "J00 a stupix n00b j00 stoled m3 l3vels" I cant bare to type that.... but anyways, the reasons I think it would be a bad idea, is because of the money itself. The owners would get ALL of the money, and not give their staff anything. That would not benefit graal at all, because no one would want to work on a server, because they know someone other than graal's creators are getting paid for their work. Plus, the fact that most players (I think) are under the age of 18, which would probably araise some legal problems. This is a GAME, meant for fun, not money. If you want to get paid for graal, fax cyberjourer a resume'. Plus, everyone would just flock to a server for a breif moment of time, then, goto the next one, and alternate....making the PW owners rich, and Mr. Knorr penniless (as well as Graal's other full time staff).

So all and all, This is a bad idea.

-er- 30,000 , thirty thousand.... you cant have a house with that.... my house alone cost 300,000 =/ and a car maybe 25,000 around there for an ok one....

Maybe an apartment..... or if you ment 300,000 $$...

25k car? thats really cheap dude....Stefan knows that he is making tons of money and doesnt want to tell anyone because then they would get greedy. Well I have another idea also. This idea helps Stefan out more than the pw owners. P2P owners earn credits towards free p2p accounts that they can give to friends and people. If you have never had p2p before and ur friend got a p2p account from his friend server owner then tells you how cool it is in p2p then that makes you want to get a p2p account even more. After more people buy p2p accounts, and when the people that were given accounts keep upgrading eventually alot of servers are turned over p2p then we can ;ppl into paying p2p owners.....Like meh ideaz?

More servers are turned over p2p because they have more possibilites and other stuff...Eventually many ppl will have a p2p account then people will be leaving these free servers and there it becomes more practical to turn over p2p....Its all in the future about pw owners being paid right now but we need to think of more ways for people to get p2p accounts then we can determine konidias idea.

HOW would Stefan be rich from Graal? Count the upgraded accounts, maybe 2000. He earned 50000 dollars in one year and he has to pay a lot of that money for things already listed. Hopefully him and Unixmad each get enough to support their living! :)

Unixmad is super rich.. he invests money in games other then graal.. Nexus for example.. here is some evidence

http://www.legende.net/presskit/press5.html

This topic needs to be removed because almost none of you have the right idea about this.. You're all off track and making assumptions. 25,000 for a car? Sure, but you don't f***ing buy a house or car in one payment.. :rolleyes:

I just thought it would be nifty if pw owners got a little something for getting people to upgrade their accounts.. but you all blow it out of proportion like I'm talking about paying the owners 50000 a month to sit around and do absolutely nothing, and that all these crappy pw's up now would be getting paid, or that more crappy pw's would go up and get paid.

I meant that the GOOD p2p playerworld owners got paid.. and I already mentioned that server costs and crap can be subtracted from the payments.. for crying out loud pay attention to what I'm saying instead of hearing one line and then getting a bunch of ideas in your head.

This thread is garbage.. admin/supermod please delete this already.. :mad:

hmm but when you say good do you mean like more people on it or do you mean actually quality wise?Because like Faheria has nice stuff but not many people are on at the moment (because it's not done but still)

Yes something like that.. and crappy p2p playerworlds wouldn't exist, because if they weren't good enough that stefan wanted to pay them, then they would be taken down.. so there would only be high quality pw's up.

Think of it like paying company employees.. I'm sure people that work for Graal get paid by stefan or unixmad.. a few of them at least.. I have heard some people have gotten/get paid for doing work.

I don't think it's greedy or ridiculous, I think it's greedy and ridiculous that stefan scoffs this idea because he doesn't want to have to resort to paying people that do hard work to make graal better so he can go and raise the prices and make more money and not share it.

"here do lots of hard work for me to make graal awesome then I can raise upgrading prices and make more money from your hard work."

It seems like people give and give to stefan, and as soon as they ask for a little giving back, he laughs at the idea. If everyone doing free work left, graal would fall apart.. just look at 2k1 when i left, it was on the brink of not being updated again.. now it's trying to survive, but I don't think it can truely hold on much longer.. even with the new stuff coming its still the same old boring server now.. it can't be fixed unless there was a reset and a change of lots of things