If those intelligent gamers were actually intelligent, they would've read the graal policy, or any other, and noticed whether or not it said that they were able to refuse your service, delete your account, and not refund your money.

Just because alot of other games are 'refund,' does not mean graal is.

Most games also have a clause stating that if they go out of business prematurely, they don't owe anyone money. I'm still surprised Graal hasn't integrated this. *knock knock Stefan*

been a while since I last saw the Cluebus :eek:

Beowulf2, you must be the stupidest person in the world, because i agree that they can delete your account, but no where in that contract does it say no refunds, thus they owe you your money back. As i said before with the exception of hacking. If you hack THEN you don't get your money back. Please don't change my words around.

Yes. I'm stupid for having valid points and people who support my opinion. OF CORSE, I WUD BE SMERT IF I WAS WORIANN!

Right from the Graal subscription terms:
"Subscriptions are non - refundable"

oh, and you don't need to go to study law to know this, its just a plain fact that everyone knows (err only smart people i guess because you never read this before)... Here's another reason why you are stupid. Why are you arguing with me? Do you really want to lose your money to crappy service?

I will show you.

http://www.graal2001.com/index.php?page=policy

Scroll to the bottom.

lol you don't even know how to say my name right, *******.

IT IS A PRIVLEDGE.

YOU ARE NOT BEING FORCED TO PAY, OR PLAY.

Who cares what teh ******* site says? Just ask stefan and he will tell you the correct terms.

Three words for you people. brainwashed and stupid.

You don't know the terms. '*******.'

You should really know what you are agreeing to before you agree to a contract.

By the way, if you start with 'this was not in the agreement when i agreed,' then I will simply reply with 'but you agreeing to the contract, which was stated that is is going to change, and you still agree with the new one, your statements are invalid.'

OK!2

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what the site says is what Stefan will say

HE HAS BY ANSWERING THE QUESTION BEFOREHAND, ON THE SITE>

Stefan owns and operates that site.


Those ARE the correct terms. Idiot.

Those were only two words, since and doesn't count. It's an interjection or something (doesn't remember exactly).

conjunction ;)

interjections are words such as "ouch!, wow!, zoom!"

I was thinking a conjunction could only combine sentences. My bad. =P

conjunction junction.

wat is ur function.

and is still a word *******... I saw stefan say that if you are unsatisfied with graal, you can get a refund

my god. heres an imitation of you brainwashed people.

*pays $100 for a subscription for graal*
*Cyberjouer immediatley terminates account*
"thats ok cyberjouer, i don't need my refund"
*pays $100 for a subscription for graal*

Don't comment on the prices because it is just an example.

Ninjaterd and Worlann are both the idiots of the month! congrats! You're in a world of hurt ;D

that is part of it...I just remember the School House Rock thing..."Conjunction, junction...what's your function" :D

I don't care if you brainwashed dumbasses hate me, because to tell you the truth, i don't give a hoot. Theres more intelligent people here that will agree with me.

Yes. Late, not quite thinking at top-speed. :p

And Worlann, they wouldn't do that. You can't do anything about it if they did though.

very bad attempt at being sarcastic :p

also, fairly ambigous...thing is, if your account in terminated BEFORE you say that you are unsatisfied, you won't get refunded...it would be different if you made the statement first before getting the account terminated.

Stop trying to use or create non-exsitent loop-holes

See my point is WHAT IF they did that. Im not saying they will do that. But there must be something done if that happens, you need to read more carefully before you comment.

And here is you:

*Pays $27 US currency.*
*hacks, cheats, steals, acts like a ****ing idiot (as seen in this thread).*
*Admins - ban account.*
*Asks friend for other account*
*Friend - lets him use account on forum*

*Torankusu - checks forums to see something posted by ninjaterd's zerothonline(whatever) account,*
*Torankusu - reads it:
"WORINEx20,
MY ACOUTRn WAS DELEATED AND ALL I DID WAS US TEh SORC COD TAHT I GTO FROM MY FRIDN. I DIDTn NOT HAX OR NETHING!!!11 STAFN SAY TAHT U CAN gIT REFudn.!!! Y WOTN TEHY GIV IT U CORUTp BICHES. I AM SUIGN"*
*Torankusu - Posts argument.*

Actually...

I don't see how we are brainwashed...for following the rules...

actually, no, you cant sue them or do anything against cyberjoueur since you signed a "C-O-N-T-R-A-C-T" dont make me get my dictionary!! Even though I usually need it -_-' French 4 Ever ;D

yes i love to be confusing in my posts. kthxfallofabridgeandie

only those that forcibly make themselves unsatisfied or believe in such BS will side with you which is not many...

Stefan used to give refunds, but then people starting going "i am not satisfied" about six-seven months into playing (unfair, no?) and wanted refunds. I think.

I would like to work on Farkylon levels for 2k2 if they ever let me add it.....

??

oh.
You are sticking to the topic.

Oh sure that really is me, im not a ******* like you are. Plus im not that ninjaterd guy, im my own person and have a free will, unlike you brainwashed *****s. plus, my name is WORLANN... learn to spell.

I am in a curious mood, please show me where stefan has made that statement...

Because really, what is on Graal2001.com is the actual binding set of rules/policies for Graal accounts...upgraded or not. Of course, if Stefan has said that (and he probably has) it just as valid...but it would be better if he had it written in stone so to speak.

now for you brainwashed people... shut up because you have been owned... and for you sane people, please don't act like these brainwashed people.

Owned by who?

We are brainwashed for understanding graal's contract? Just because graal does not return refunds, unlike those games that you can buy at the store and take back to the store for a refund, does not mean that WE are brainwashed. I think you are the brainwashed, or at least incompetent, one. Just stop arguing. You have lost many many times.

By the way; pertaining to your enactment of 'us' post; we probably don't ask for a refund because we are intelligent enough to realize that we agreed to no refund.