It's to make sure contego and his friends don't get fired, since anyone contego likes will never be fired, since NightFall, Nemesis, and himself would never let one of their friends get fired. Since they have the control now over who gets hired and such this assures they will keep their friend where they want them, and they will amass more power.

If I had someone like that come onto my PW RC and tell me that, I would tell them to piss off because I know how to run my PW...otherwise, I wouldn't have it ;)

That rule shouldn't be applying to your server....

..if i was head level maker, i wouldnt hire a friend of mine because he asked

psst...sterotyping is bad.

Contego was/is making it a global thing.. from what I have heard..

I don't even know half the people he hired to be in charge of who gets fired or whatever.. and he even said one of them didn't have a p2p account.. Gee a lot of good he will do for p2p servers..

Everyone says that though. Plus there already is a head level maker.

That goes beyond his power. He can not impose rules on other people's servers. They are not his servers, it is the owner/s. Only Stefan should be able to impose such a rule.

Nemesis has a p2p account I think, and NightFall is just some classic person. He has no p2p account, though I think the HROs are split, one for newmain one for classic.

yes,birdbird,who is devoted to 2002
thats why i want to help 2001

Bah, Konidias should be head level maker....

psst...I'm not trying to sterotype, it is just what I have noticed from time to time...it is not an definite thing for all staff even you should know that. I am just pointing out what most do because it is fairly evident.

You didn't say in your post that it happens from time to time though. You made it sound like that is what happens all the time.

This entire BBS is a SPAM free zone (with the exception of Not Graal forum), if there is SPAM around, it's the mod's job to delete it. If it's not being deleted then there is a problem. Yes, we need some sort of head board admin that can take care of several things. Like setting rules, making sure that all of the mods ENFORCE the rules. Unixmad and Stefan ARE too busy for this, basically we need another "Galen" figure to step in.

I do not delete SPAM on my board because it is not against the rules. I also do not delete flames unless they are made to insult or harm directly, there is nothing wrong with arguing! If there are too many threads on one subject there is something called MERGE which some lazy (or too busy with other projects!) mods around here can't seem to use. I don't make rules, I enforce them. Now, if I was an admin, then yes I would make rules and see that they are followed, but that is not what I am here for.

And that brings me to my next thing. People around here are so quick to lay blame on the mods and demand threads deleted. I know because I am a mod, and I get many PMs about this. The great Gandalf said, "not even the wise can see all ends." Threads that at first glance may appear offensive to some, or worthless can have positive outcomes. Ideas are born, opinions are changed, friendships surface. Don't be so quick to sentence deletion to a thread unless it is a blatant violation of the rules.

I would much rather EDIT threads for content but that can be difficult in large threads. I still wish I could edit threads "on the fly" by using the "edit/delete" button next to the particular post. It would be so much easier, but instead I have to WADE through the entire thread and edit/delete/save each post individually. It is a real hastle and does not make my job easier.

Anyways, I know this thread is mostly about Graal 2002, and I wasn't going to even say much, but the forums are my concern too (as you say they are yours, so...) I may be a very low level mod of little importance but I take my position seriously. On the other hand, if people would NOT TAKE THE FORUM SO SERIOUSLY then it *would* be more fun for them. So my advice to everyone, unless the thread directly is against the rules, and you dislike the thread for some reason, just ignore it.

Hehe, end rant

I thought all HLM for 2001 got was his levels going online.. I didnt even know he got WARPTO... and I want to help 2001 just like alkaren wants to help the forums.. Im being honest.. I just never wanted to ask for it because I thought id get flamed by people telling me to die..

There are something that are given and don't really need to be said. I am sorry if you misunderstood me.

I have never really cared much about what people though or said of me. As I have said many times before; my goal/s on a message board has never been, to become popular.

I just want to make levels for 2001...

I think most (notice I said most not all) moderators here take their job too lightly and don't delete threads just so people don't argue about them deleting their threads. If the thread is pointless, hate, or garbage, then it needs to go.. it can't all be based on the mods personal opinion of the thread.

Sure people can argue and threads can be made about arguements, but if there is absolutely nothing positive about the post, then it needs to be deleted. It's one thing to say "this events team member didn't follow the rules because.." and then back it up with reasons on why that staff isn't doing the right thing and that some action needs to be taken.. instead of "THIS ET SUX BAN HIM 4 LIEF HE NEEDS TO DIE BC HE IS UNFARE IN HIS LAST EVENT"

Graal hasn't become anything for me. :)

It is still the same game I started playing so long ago, just with new architecture...

Re: Re: Re: What has Graal become?
 

There already is something like that...

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Nope there isn't and it's really needed.. I have everyone from friends to hackers in my buddy list.. I will be adding this to my list of improvements when I send to stefan :)

I am ignored once again... :(

As I said there should be a forum purely for spam where your post count doesn't raise if you post in there. Kinda like how Rumor Has It, is. This message board is not spam free. Everyone knows there is spam in almost every single form. But you may not see everything as spam while others do. Herein lies a problem. What counts as spam? Really what is considered spam is at a mod's descretion. Spam can not be stopped; it's just simply can't be done. Well, have an active message board without spam, unless you moderate every single post, and every single thread. But then, how can that message board truely be considered active? Everything is not in real time; it is whenever a mod or admin checks the post and decides it can be posted, and who knows when that might be?

One wonders if you know truely what flaming is? Flaming is not just petty arguing. It is a very crude form of insult others while at the same time arguing and trying to get your point across. There are better things than flaming though, as a friend of mine once told me....took me nearly half a year to understand what he meant...I understand now though. Anyway, there is a difference between arguement and flaming.


Merge, edit, delete, stick, unstick, all such things are tools; not solutions.


Part of having modship is keeping your forum in order, and rules are needed sometimes for such things. You have the ability to make rules. While there are very few rules to enforce right now, if any.


Actually, it would be the great Tolkien who said that, not Gandalf. Gandalf is a fictional character created by a writing genius. :)

People here don't lay blame that much on the mods.

You say that threads should be given a chance even though they are offensive to some. Yet you criticize other mods for not using merge when there are more than one topic on the same subject. People have different opinions and as such may wish to express them in a different way than someone else might, so they create a new thread expressing their opinions there and so a new dicussion(sp) is formed. You would rather just throw such things together ignoring the fact that the topic may be about the same thing, but may also be different by discussing a different part of the same thing then others might.

This makes no sense to me as to why you would say such a thing and then turn around and say something like above.


You should be able to do such a thing. All mods have that ability. Unless some of your extra privliages were removed.


Once again, you confuse me. You tell me not to take the forums so seriously, yet you claim to take your job *very* seriously, which in itself is the same thing as taking the forums very seriously.

wow another thread where konidias wants more power, these are just getting old.

Perhaps some mods do not delete threads becuase they don't want to be confronted with the maker of the thread, that is possible. But that is a pretty weak reason, if the mod can't handle doing that then they do not need to be a mod. I delete many threads, and I have been *****ed at by thread starters when they find their thread gone, some even go so far as to complain to me on AIM even if I have never even talked to them before. I mean, being a mod does have it's negative sides. Somedays I can barely get any time away from the forum because there is so much activity there that needs to be watched over.

"If the thread is pointless, hate, or garbage, then it needs to go.. it can't all be based on the mods personal opinion of the thread."

When there are rules in effect, opinions are always going to be involved. Rules are interpreted differently, and they will be by each mod. What constitutes pointless hate-filled garbage threads is YOUR opinion, and to me and someone else it could be different.

Now, in the example you gave above of what is a good post, and what is a bad post, I agree the later one is pretty useless. It would probably be deleted because it gives no reasons for why the ET member does a bad job, and even INSULTS the ET member which is not the way to solve problems. Most levelheaded mods can tell that right away. But most threads are not like that and it's more complex to decide if it's a "good" or "bad" thread.

Actually, the largest problem is that there are very few active mods.

Oh, I am so high and mighty, I want power too :rolleyes:

Hello?! Can you be that naive? You are as bad as the rest and cannot understand what is involved here.

1. Arch Owl dont want to hurt your feelings but I have seen your levels... they are really really really really bad.

2. FAQ, so far the only job in existance where you get no power, yet get to deal with a lot of people. Whataver I dont mind it, just saying

3. <read Konidias's first post of this thread>

4. I loved graal 2001 when hats where free you could win bomys in events people were nice. Gave you money to get started if there is nothing to be greedy about, then you will eliminate greed.

5. I feel very strongly that yes 2002 is good but it is needless put that effort in to nw, and pay far more attention to 2001 I am tired of getting a new job every 2 months. Add more quests alot more quests classic will always rain supreme becuase it has density over a large area.

6. I have no problem with playerlist although making like more of a buddy list would be nice.

Also on the topic of the playerlist you shoud be able to sign on it without actually playing graal. I have wanted to go on faq sometimes yet not sign on its needless.

and that as they say, is that.

One word. Amen.

What are you talking about?

One word. Newbie.

Okay, the forum won't let me quote AlkarenHyralt's post because it's too big so I'll do it this way.

"As I said there should be a forum purely for spam where your post count doesn't raise if you post in there. Kinda like how Rumor Has It, is. This message board is not spam free. Everyone knows there is spam in almost every single form. But you may not see everything as spam while others do. Herein lies a problem. What counts as spam? Really what is considered spam is at a mod's descretion. Spam can not be stopped; it's just simply can't be done. Well, have an active message board without spam, unless you moderate every single post, and every single thread. But then, how can that message board truely be considered active? Everything is not in real time; it is whenever a mod or admin checks the post and decides it can be posted, and who knows when that might be?"

I don't agree. If people are so worried about post counts and wine and cry that people are spamming to get more posts, the solution is to hide post counts or REMOVE post counts. I AM 100% IN FAVOR OF REMOVING POST COUNTS

"One wonders if you know truely what flaming is? Flaming is not just petty arguing. It is a very crude form of insult others while at the same time arguing and trying to get your point across. There are better things than flaming though, as a friend of mine once told me....took me nearly half a year to understand what he meant...I understand now though. Anyway, there is a difference between arguement and flaming."

It can be a very fine line! Insulting and harassing is against the rules, those rules are enforced. It's that simple, the definition of flame is not the issue here.

"Merge, edit, delete, stick, unstick, all such things are tools; not solutions."

Yes it is, THESE are the tools that mods use. They are the only tools needed, other than rules to enforce.

"Part of having modship is keeping your forum in order, and rules are needed sometimes for such things. You have the ability to make rules. While there are very few rules to enforce right now, if any."

That may be, but not if my rules conflict with the ones Unixmad set into place. Which in the instances I've been giving examples of, it would.

"Actually, it would be the great Tolkien who said that, not Gandalf. Gandalf is a fictional character created by a writing genius."

Well if you want to get technical... :-p

"You say that threads should be given a chance even though they are offensive to some. Yet you criticize other mods for not using merge when there are more than one topic on the same subject. People have different opinions and as such may wish to express them in a different way than someone else might, so they create a new thread expressing their opinions there and so a new dicussion(sp) is formed. You would rather just throw such things together ignoring the fact that the topic may be about the same thing, but may also be different by discussing a different part of the same thing then others might. "

Nothing is so black and white, I never said I would throw all similar topics into one thread. But many of them may need to be in the same thread, it just depends. This is another example of a mod using his innate ability to use his power to the best ability (assuming he has such an ability heh) If not merge them, then what then? DELETE? I don't think that is the answer either. The topic at hand has seemed to be what threads should be deleted, and which should not. That is why I mentioned merge as an alternative to deleting.

"You should be able to do such a thing. All mods have that ability. Unless some of your extra privliages were removed."

I can not do it... sadly. It would help me a lot. I have never been able to do it (only to my own posts)

"Once again, you confuse me. You tell me not to take the forums so seriously, yet you claim to take your job *very* seriously, which in itself is the same thing as taking the forums very seriously."

Yes, I said "on the other hand..." which demonstrates my ability to see things from multiple angles :)

Wow...
For the very first time, I totally agree with everything that Konidias has said. And for the exact same reasons that were stated in his first post, you will not find me on Graal2k1 for any longer than 5 minutes. That is also why I am anxisously awaiting for my account to expire. Graal is addicitve, and it sucks to be addicted to something that bothers you.

As if you're one to talk?...

WHO are you?

*Sorta Lost Zulithe but got the point lol*

sorry I am not a graal celebrity but, that means I cant say your levels are really bad, or that I cant have an opinion?

duh! Players play on 1.31 = no profit or <3 for stefan

I think what he's trying to say is....If your not famous your opinion doesn't really matter to him... =/

I know, but he "claims" the copyright keeps us from makign a server lol

which levels have you seen


archowlshouse,or zols, or zolsv2, or zolsv3, or zbs arena, please be more specific,and if you mean all,thats very offending,because the first 3 i KNOW are bad