Now you're just asking for too much Rogue.

j/k

I love this idea, as I stated earlier in this week to you and on forums. This is would be taking an immense step in the right direction. This type of system alongside noobie friendly incentives would no doubt in my mind boost the playercount in the long term AND bring back that bragging rights that oldbies so desire.

Yeah, I'm in favor of that.

That could possibly be the last gang system Era would need.

Fiber, I like the ideas here and I support making them. How should this look though? I wanna avoid making another "ugly" GUI.

:)

i'm glad to see wil is finally accomplishing something now that i don't have time to raid or play gang events anymore

what a good example for all those b folks who are strugglin' in the corners out there

Lets force everyone to join a gang they don't want to be in, clearly that would boost raiding activity. :rolleyes:

It would be just like hosting events, your teams are randomly picked for you. Seems like the same players usually when anyway. We'd just be giving everyone a fair chance of winning at least once, which may cause the players that don't typically win to want to raid more often to win again.

Besides, I thought you guys liked being forced to use new stuff?? :)

I could draw you a mockup when I'm off work later if you want :P
(and then later make the actual theme if you like it)

Would really appreciate it. Being able to visually see a product's potential helps me out big time.

Edit:
To expand on what Rogue said; We'd have drafts to sign up for the gang registrations, great. Now how the leaders are chosen, could do something along the lines of a vote system that recruited members can use to vote for anyone including himself/herself. Wait, couldn't this cause a draw? Probably, we could also have a backup system that could choose the leader based on highest rank through kills after the first day of being assigned a gang. Preferably you'd want to get the votes out of the way as quickly as possible to have first picks for the gang gun.

I was thinking of a cool way to give leaders more purpose, getting rid of lockers and once the gang gun is chosen, the leader would actually get all 5* guns to start with and can choose who receives the guns by dropping them. Could even create a GUI to allow leaders to remove a gang gun from an individual who could be offline for a gang event. Essentially members wouldn't lose their gun anymore on login this way.

All I was able to brainstorm for now.

You're not forced to do anything, if you choose to sign up you know what you're getting into.

I'm sure you'll know at least one of the 4 captains, and can encourage them to choose you based on your performances. If you can't handle this, take matters into your own hands and try to put yourself in position to be a captain by giving a good performance that week, then you can choose all the people you want.

If you still want 100% exact teams, form a party with your friends and raid using skype. But that would be the kind of behavior we don't want to encourage. Everyone should try and give it their all, and when you're in a mass of players trying to win for their team or for their own placement, I'm sure you'll do the same.

Can you just not create anything even resembling my concepts? That would be wonderful.

I'd rather make it myself and take twice as long than be forced to use something 10 miles away from the point that's poorly made and requires 10 chat commands a minute to function.

Funny, I thought the whole point of the discussion was to create something everyone would enjoy regardless of whose idea it was. You're not staff at the moment, so I don't see how you'd implement your ideas anyway. I'm here to help, and to do that I'm looking for ideas that everyone would enjoy being implemented. I'm not going to come up with my own ideas because I'd rather get ideas from the players who actually pk and raid everyday.

Exactly the point.

You clearly didn't even read my post, the concept wasn't my own it was made by a group of players who are the best in these particular fields. And you just suggested random ideas that completely ignore some of the critical points of the whole idea. Top players becoming captains is a major part of the incentives of actively participating, and allows anyone their chance to lead -- without requiring GBA friendship or 300k. "Hey let's just ****ing vote on it hurdur"

You never listen to players, literally every single player that has posted on the other thread has asked to not have to use a cheap chat command to remove your 'little bigger colorful' inventory every single time they log-in.

And you're not listening to me now, you're just doing whatever you want as usual.. which will lead to asking Fiber what he thinks about something beyond his range (since he can't PK/Lead either). Resulting in a system with a billion knobs that have nothing to do with gangs.

Your words, not mine.

I was merely offering suggestions/help, I'm not doing a thing until these ideas start becoming a plan. I also mentioned leaders being chosen based on their rank within the first day. And I was asking Fiber for graphics advice, nothing more.

As much as I'm not trying to start anything, I kind of agree with Rogue XD
With something as important as a new, possibly permanent, gang system, you're going to want to not "pull a Tim".

Listen to the ideas, understand the intent behind them (what problem(s) they're trying to solve), and implement them as they were originally envisioned, or if you are absolutely sure that you have a better solution to the problem, THEN do whatever you want. But if you do whatever you want, at least make sure it's solving the same problem, as effectively (or more effectively), as the original idea would have. And above all, don't over-complicate it to the point where people don't want to use it or dumb it down to the point that it doesn't do everything that it's supposed to.

That's why there needs to be a plan put in place. This isn't a project I was just going to wing, nor do I have to be the one that does it. Last time a gang system was made, it was released incomplete. We can't let that happen again.

This is kinda what I was getting at, as rude as I came off not understanding what he was saying... being that he didn't use direct quotes I thought ideas meant ideas. Silly me.

Sorry, I just kind of wanted this to be made perfectly, not Timized with a million customizations as other projects. The goal is to be simple and precise.

Amsel helped with the original concept and offered to help create it, and since then I got my Melon to 'help' should he have the time to offer. Just because I'm not on the team doesn't mean I can't get a lot of stuff done, I always have.. even when I was blacklisted.

If you really insist on mocking something up, me and Blue did some drawings:

http://imgur.com/uAqA5wG - Roog
http://i.imgur.com/79q3UVu.png - melon

We're pretty unanimous that a player-card layout would be better. It would prevent accidentally drafting a player with a double-click and would keep the list much more simple, preventing lag from loading a ton of information. Also a search bar would be nice. Not 100% on the timer, I think it would keep the draft from going forever.. but Blue says it could cause problems if there is lag or something.

Yawn. Ideas after ideas and none of them will ever be implemented and some of them i disagree with and so will others. Everyone has different opinions and views. Doesn't matter what happens from here on out. Era is dead.. It can't and wont be revived.

It's gameover guys. It would be sick if we had a good gang system with people raiding all the time etc but sadly it doesn't matter if you have the best system in place. The game is dead. Without the players how can you get the activity.


This game lacks advertisement and even if we had 100+ players daily the server wouldn't be able to cope.

I think it's time for most of you guys to start playing games that you pay for.. You get professional support/updates/gameplay.

Nothing to complain about.

(Lol at Wil. Nga thinks he's Floyd Mayweather of Era with that attitude.. Do what wil says and era will die much quicker)

How's this?

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/...4jkWeg4lxV32lw

P.S. Forgot the search bar. Whoops XD

Pretty much. >_<

The only reason it's dead is because the past, present and future Staff teams have killed it, not only with pointless and shitty updates or new things that drove players away but by simplying not allowing people to play once they did/do wrong.

I've been talking a lot with the current top staff of the current leading server "Delteria" all I've really talked about is how to not lose playercount and how to keep people interested. The main answer I got back was; "We don't ban people for more than 3 days, ever. other servers, Era being a big one, have banned players for years and years and that playercount of banned players who want to play builds up" Now don't get me wrong, I'm banned and I'm not making this post in hopes to be unbanned, I actually have a happy and fulfilled life without this piece of **** in it but I couldn't help but think; "holy ****, it's true." Do yourself a favor and start working with those doing the wrong, instead of eliminating them all together.

BlueMelon gave me the incentive to try to become a PR, I did, became PRA and helped remove 30mil of spawned, duped and otherwise illegal money from the economy.

It's quite simple really; You catch someone duping, you tell them they can keep half of it if they just tell you how it's done or how it's working... you fix it.

I know the management team did a few shoddy deals with players during that time and we eliminated MOST of the duping techniques, I even caught my own manager USDing.

Pointless rant and almost off-topic but we all know these threads always lead to; Era is ****, no player count, no idea will work bla bla bla

I can't fully wrap my head around Rogues idea but I usually agree 90% of the time with how he has handled gangs/guns in the past.

TLDR; little rant, unban everyone and watch the influx after advertisement.

Just the other day I was talking about this, it needs to be done, we're only hurting ourselves in the end.

btw, we managed to get over 100 players on average this weekend. So that's something, I suppose.

What fiber has done is what i've been saying the whole time. Haven't really read what his idea is but guis like this where you lock in your gang for GANG EVENTS should be the future for gang events isntead of having to be summoned and all the hassle of trying to get people online, lag limits bla bla bla

We need systems like this everywhere and anywhere in gangs possible.


Also about unbanning everyone. I agree with this. Why not? We have 'PR's' who is suppose to deal with illegal activity. They don't do anything this will keep them busy.

Actually, governments have done this and called it the 'good friday agreement'. Where all the criminals in jail all got released on the good friday agreement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement


So hell yeah, why can't we do it on era? Start unbanning everyone. Let's get the playercount as high as possible and maybe stefan will give us better servers to play on.

Then we get to the point where after everything i just said doesn't serve any purpose and it wont be done.

Anybody wanna bet against me? stake your bets.

A few years ago, everybody on Era was unbanned anyway. I think Calani did it? I don't remember, but yeah it's been done in the past.

To clarify something about the Good Friday Agreement, as far as I can tell, it only applied to prisoners who were serving sentences related to paramilitary activity. They weren't releasing your run-of-the-mill rapists and murderers.

And to clarify about the image I posted above (and below), that's just something I drew in Photoshop. It's not a working GUI or system (yet).

Also, just to add an idea of my own to it, what about being able to see details of the draft in progress?
kinda like this:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/...ai4HACcr1bCBrg

And one more thing. What would happen if the time ran out on someone's pick? The system chooses for them randomly?

I like that, I wanted to be able to see the draft results somewhere public so players can track it or view it after and see when they got chosen.

The timer wasn't 100% I kinda liked it so the draft wouldn't take too long, but Blue says with delay or server lag it could cause issues. If you didn't choose in the timer it would just go to the next persons selection, or just lock in the player you have currently 'selected'

Wouldn't most players have a pretty good idea who they're going to pick anyway? Fiber did you template that GUI for use, kinda looks like the gun skins one.

Here are a few concerns about the timer:
* Timer runs out, now what?
* Chosen leader logs off during drafting process
* Server lag
* or the classic "I lagged out mom help"

1. It auto drafts the player under your selection, or if none is selected you lose that pick.
2. Oh god, if they log off its bad either way... why would you do this! But the timer helps prevent that from occuring, keeping the draft in a reasonable time frame. I'm sure most selections will be pretty much instant.. but in the case of someone afking it cures the time factor.
3. There really hasn't been huge fits of server lag since PR's stopped spamming file browser for logs. The worst we get is a mass disconnection (perhaps the timer could pause if the player goes offline? This fixes #2 as well), or high ping.
4. Same as solution #3 to #2, if they go offline for a moment it would pause and require the player to open the list again before it resumes. If you lagged out while selecting, it would pick the person you had highlighted. If you're frozen for 2+ minutes.. please contact your ISP and stop doing drafts on video games.

I dunno, I'm obviously in favor of it, but it's not up to me. We'd just have to see how it goes.. if everyone's picking at rapid fire that's cool. Perhaps a 1 minute timer could be activated only if the other 3 captains choose to cause #4 is being a douche and holding things up.

By me saying all i never actually meant every single criminal. I meant exactly what you said but we don't have rapists and murderers on era so what are you talking about? We don't need any sarcastic replies to that sentence btw.

However, REAL criminals were released regardless. Why can't we release people from their bans on a 2D game? Just do it.

Oh and we know it's not a real system on era because we all know the chances of that is 100/1 or greater.

I read your idea.. I don't like it, random gangs wont work. You do realize era is a battleground full of trolls? They all hate each other.. Why would they raid together?

As to what Koho said, I really don't think it matters who's stuck in what gang. Players will still want points because points convert into to money. If you don't want to be apart of it, then don't sign up for the draft. The new system that has been proposed in this thread has a lot of cool aspects. It will keep track of every little statistic about every players "skill" which allows them to have bragging rights. But if the system fails altogether, then we have something to fall back on (current gang system).

When the timer runs out it should just skip your turn, and let you choose from the picks that weren't chosen once every other leader has done their picks <--- This applies if I'm to assume each gang size is averaged between the total number of drafts.

First off, please trim your quotes.. at least remove the huge images if not clip precisely to what you're responding to. Be presentable.

A lot of players have been unbanned recently from what I've seen running around the server. Godzilla is a different case because he had his chance to come back with an agreement that he would be permed if there was a 'next time'. This is all he ever posts about, and it's best to just ignore him.

You talk about sarcasm not being warranted then say this? Really?
The system was conceptualized not more than a week ago, and we already have mock-ups and graphics being made; as well as a handful of coders willing to create it because it's a fairly simple concept.

At this point we're not discussing the 'random gang' idea, and as Tim said there's plenty of individual ratings to chase after that should overcome petty quarrels.

I don't need to be presentable because in some of the things i said i wasn't writing for the world to see. I was talking directly to Fiber and he would understand what i was saying. Don't be nosy.

So you think because of some people that you know off was unbanned so that is everyone unbanned? Let me tell you, there is a hell of a lot of people banned on this game. More than you think.

Why keep Godzilla permanently banned? What's he a threat to? You permanently ban a guy for being constantly annoying then may i ask Rogue.. Why aren't you banned then?

At this point it doesn't matter what you discuss. Nothing in this thread will be done. Holy ****, when do you realize that?

At the last comment.. If you read back far enough i actually said that.

I also had to laugh at the presentable comment. You put more effort into presenting your comments than you ever did with your work on era but that's another story.

Not the problem. The problem is... people won't fight each other because they're buddys. If you look at some raids now certain people avoid fighting because they're buddys. Could you imagine mixing up soul and everyone else.. This server is basically all familys. Why would they kill each other?

As cool as it sounds i just cannot see it working, sorry.

However... What i will say is. I like a tryer. No harm in trying but i'm just pointing out why i cannot see it working.

You cant do this alone, Tim. A team needs to be reassembled for this project. Will era make this their #1 project. I don't think so. As much as i like Zao, he's to busy making puzzle events and everyone else is playing the political game trying to get eachother fired.

Good luck.

There are a lot of players banned at the moment. That's kinda off topic though, I'm confused how our posts haven't been edited by now.

And I don't see why this project is so unrealistic to accomplish, Blue, Amsel, Seth, Ice and myself are willing to work on it (as far as I know). Whether or not it's successful completely depends on execution and whether the players actually participate.

You are really surprised our comments aren't edited? Cannot be serious. The runnings of this game haven't a clue lol

Okay, good to know theirs a team ready for it. My advice would also be... Hype it up.. Talk about this new awesome thing coming.. get players hungry for something.. Don't just drop a sudden change on them, they will kack themselves and hate it.

Make them aware of the change. Something era has never done.

Just you wait, it will get edited in a day or so.

:)

It will now that you mentioned it.

no qq thread plz... trim your quotes, eat your catnip, keep calm and tl;dr.

There's also the following to bring up:
The transition from system A to system B.
System A being the current system.
System B being future system talked about in this thread.

Currently, players own gangs they paid for. And believe it or not, but, a lot of players actually do like the current system (most are not active on the forums, obv). Not sure re-funding and dropping a new system spontaneously is the best idea. I think a rough-draft would need to be presented in-game with the idea and receive even more feedback from players who do not frequent the forums (the more active players).

Who's QQing? :confused:

You say a lot of players like the current system, evidence of this?
You guys always change things and never refund, why mention it now?

Can i also ask who took away the hotkey for nades but nitros are still hotkeyable (correct me if i'm wrong about that) To me that sounds like rob peter to pay paul.

All you need to do is backup the current system.. Make sure the new system is 100% ready before release, see how players respond to it and if it doesn't work out we have the backup to the current gang system to try again.

Pretty disappointing that the players always have to try and get stuff done, as a team should you guys not be having these discussions everyday on how to improve the gang system? I've been on RC quite a lot of times and what goes on there is disappointing to say the least.

Theirs no hope for this server.

Nitros aren't hotkeyable either, don't know why any throwables were hotkeyable, just press b, and shift W to switch.

I forgot to mention something.

I find it hillarious how Rogue is putting all his effort on here looking like he wants to improve the gang system etc etc

Then on era, he's running around with a Flak, running, nading, laming, bombing. Doing all the things he QQ's about on here.

Rogue. You're deluded.