Aye, get back on subject please, Ako, no matter how much you argue with them they will NEVER even consider your point of view because they are way too stuborn, and Jin, the same goes to you, no matter what you say, neither I nor Ako will listen to what you have to say, dont repeat what you've been saying in your last 200 posts, we alredy know you own or whatever we dont give a damn about that, WE NEVER, I REPEAT, NEVER MENTIONED YOUR SKILL.

And I dare you to follow this post with, "go on zone me pwn u", I know I suck, and I hope I continue to suck for the rest of my Zone life, makes my gameplay more interesting when allot of people suck, we can do fun and silly things like go in Squads and stuff.

Oh also um, the Apps do 10 damage a bullet not 5 like somebody said, the apps do more damage than the handgun up close.

Yah apps do 5 dmg a bullet if it was 10 2 point blank shots trials would be dead but its 5 dmg a bullet which is 20 dmg like ripper 2 bullets of that = 4 bullets of apps and if not then well yah ne ways..........apps dun spread much either not lke hand gun to close and they all hit yah to far and there harder to dodge then grandma huggin u when u go and see her

dude.....does it look like i really care??? pick scout or commando than......wow ako just always has sumthin 2 cry about

I don't see in any way how Akoalin can be recognized as a CS player. He makes sense when he types and he doesn't ramble on about how everyone is lesser than him (not to take any specific names-- Jin).

Appirces:
In my opinion the best handgun in Zone so far, use it because it comes in handy alot of times. Does a pretty good damage and is easier to get hits with then other guns.
My favorite gun. Two rounds from each gun, in a shotgun spray manner. 8 Shots dual weilded until need for reload. Moderately high damage, high manevurability.

That's straight from the Zone guide. Read up and let's take a look at another weapon's statistics.

Smg:
A good weapon, shoots fast and does a fairly good damage. Good for using it with marine with the speed.
25 round automatic rifle, fairly straight but has spray 100 pixels or so out. Offers less manevurability than the kv24, but is faster.

Here's my secondary weapon (The thread was old and the Blue Rifle wasn't in it).

I notice that my SMG has no spread at all. I also notice it does less damage than a single appirce bullet (There are times when I'm hit by all the appirce's bullets and it does 60 damage. So 4 bullets at once; 60 divided by 4. You get 15). Also, using the tap method with an SMG is useless considering it's easy for an enemy to dodge, and even if they are hit, it would only do 8 - 10 damage. Appirces however allow you to use the tap method (increasing your chance to dodge bullets by shooting and running to a safe location all while your shotgun spread handguns do the aiming for you) and all at the same time doing moderately high damage (which is straight from the mouth of one of the creaters).

I rest my case.
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Yeah, but the discussion is so much like CS discussion. It's not really an attack at anyone, it's just the fact that some folks are taking it personally.

we are all crying about u, because u are so stupid >_<

I wouldn't mind appirces being weakened if scout was brought to iricia so I could use Ap rippers.

Post that on my thread then :whatever:
And about Apps damage:
It's actually more around what Zulu said, 9-10 damage, because after getting hit with one bullet, I had 91 health left.

As its said in a different post, no gun can be lame providing everyone has the right to use it. Anyone can use Appirces if they wanted to, so it can't be lame.
Also I don't understand how people can find it hard to dodge... When i pick marine (much slower then commando or scout) I do fine at dodging the shots. The bullets can't go very far either, so stand back. As for handgun, I agree I think its lame, but thinking about how it shoots its quite easy to dodge. It has a very wide shot but only 3 bullets so just stand in the middle of those bullets and your fine.

oh ya im stupid....ya thats why all u newbs r crying about how u get owned by apps......id own u with ne gun dude....id own u with a gravitron

Don't worry Jin, EVERYONE sucks but you. :frown:

im not saying that.....im saying every1 sucks but like 5 ppl.....

ok i may suck but that's not the point apps dosnt need to be changed but it wouldn't hurt if handgun had a lil smaller range

Exactly what I posted earlier. And since the bullets don't always shoot straight, You can be in a safe spot one moment, and be taking damage the next. More lag time please. (And a smaller clip)

Indeed what he said ne ways i think apps are perfectly fine the way they are cheap but efficient even for the ppl who like and wanna get used to them! like trials i think they are lucky that they get to use the guns they can beuz some admins just keep taking away stuff more and more so i think apps are fine and sometimes fun if yer not on the wrong end of them