That's a good idea.

Prove it...?

How do you plan on stopping Graal Online from running its forums the way it wants to?

I'm sure the administration will pay much more attention when they see you made your own website and everything! :rolleyes:

Thanks but I doubt it would work. I mean the current mod(s) would go through ice and fire to make sure this doesnt happin becuse they know the vote would not be in there favor mostlikley.

Originally Posted by Mitch
It is best if the super moderators, moderators are picked by the public, rather than other globals or the graal administration. If you are saying that moderators are going to continue to be able to use their opinions as guidelines for enforcing power, I'm sorry to say that I will not let this happen, with or without the help of others.

How do you plan on stopping Graal Online from running its forums the way it wants to?

Becuse we are the customers hmm think of it this way they are a store us being customers buy there goods if we dont like the service the store has to change to keep our business.

I actually would have no problem with it if it didn't ultimately boil down to a bribery-capable popularity contest, which is what it would inevitably become.

I dont think your the mod(s) were talking about, But in any case you are right about that people would go mad/power hungry and like for preporations you would have to track each account make sure it could only vote once etc.

Well, I wasn't really trying to act on the defensive as I (not to be haughty or anything) think I'm fairly universally liked since I try to be a laid-back, down to earth kind of guy, but I've seen things like this happen and they really don't work. People who are running will promise things and not do them, will harass people into voting for them, etc. etc.

Trunks, I will prove it. I have spent a very long time playing graal, since about the time golbez was made the first sfx admin on graal. I've learned money is everything whether in real life, or on graal, and I will use if nessicary, taking into consider it is something I have. I'm going to do everything in my power to workout something with the graal administration.

Your lack of confidence and your doubt is precisely the reason why graal is going to end up being scrap. Infact this is precisely what is in everyone's head. What you don't realize is that the administration does what satisfy's the players so they keep paying. The players aren't happy = they don't pay = the project fails = no money gained.

Zander, if you believe I am going to back down, your wrong. I have devoted years of my life to graal, if graal continues to go down the tubes with these kinds of issues I don't know what I'll do. There is no way I'm letting anything else happen. If people are banned on a playerworld, I will look into it with them and make sure they were banned for all the right reasons and the staff have proof, otherwise inform higher staff or even globals. If a forum moderator abuses power, etc I will talk to the graal administration. If anyone wants to test me, go ahead.

I look at the forums back in 2001 and they were so much more active and... fun? The ironic thing is now they arent as active and moderating is more strict than ever. The only "Bad" threads I see on the forums are issues with the moderators, those are closed instantly and then we are told to "Go to the administrators about it or PM blah blah" and everyone knows that will do nothing and by saying that just basically means "buzz off you can't do anything about it."

The fact is, nothing really bad happens on these forums and for the amount of posts and people who come here now... closing every bad thread just doesn't make sense to me, those bad threads are more attempts by players to help out graal in my opinion.

It is and its working becuse notice that every "bad" thread has been closed well besides this one well atleast not yet they see how we feel and the problem now they just have to choose if there gona do anything about the mod(s) dont get me wrong in thinking there is just one there are many problems but still one big fix would do alot of good.

Let's separate the legislative body from the judiciary.

well if you noticed that someone is on vacation right now... maybe that explains why this thread is still open.

That, and if they do this thread, which by the way does not offend them people will know who they really are. No thread that is existant, not deleted by Zander is all legal and cannot be closed by an opinionated super moderator ;) .

There are multiple reasons why this forums have degradded so much from years ago. One of the reason's is Stephane's...grip on them. He takes more notice of them now and has things like the swear filter and such in place. Another problem is the lack of compotent moderators. This is not to say that all moderators are bad; just some. The way it seems now a days moderators seem to generally come to power by these following factors: how can kiss the most ass, and who has the bigger fanclub.

The lack of clear leadership is another problem. The super mods are allowed to kinda..roam and do whatever they wish to. There really is no more check for them, as no one is there to say "do this and you lose the job." This is what has lead to the closing and deletion of threads that those in power do not like/agree with/want public.

It is a proven fact though on Graal that threads and such no longer recieve any results, and probably in the end will be closed or deleted.

Might be over soon. :\

Not unless it follows the usual flow of pages and pages of people posting stuff of petty little attacks at moderators, which this thread does not appear to be doing - unless it's just going to take months instead of days like usual.