We never controlled everything... and Lyndzey can vouch for me.

We let her do what she wanted to and we didn't force her to do anything. We just tried to bring a great peace between the kingdoms.
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The only thing that I wish would've never happened, would be when Lyndzey did establish this plan :/

Because I fought for her and she wanted me dead. But she has changed and it shows us that the Samurai respect the rank not the person.

I find it interesting that it has just hit you that Samurai have great respect for ranking... ever heard of honor and loyalty above all else, if the Shogun were a mentally challenged three year old (I know some of you are going to jump at the chance to say "like you feivel") it would still be required for the people to be loyal to him. If a higher ranking samurai was the meanest little ******* in the world, lower ranking samurai would still be required to show respect for him. Its called society man, and if you were oblicious to this up until now then well you were careless i guess.

No... you respect the person not the rank...

When a US President's term is over people still respect him as Mr. President.

It's bad if Samurai respects the rank over the person because then you've just made a 2k1 Dustari.

Heh heh, Lyndzey sure was convincing about removing Dashio... she had my head spinning with questions and confusion during that time... I couldn't decide if I was for Dashio or against him, but I guess that helped add to the authenticness of the plan ^.^ Actually I don't really like you, Zurk... you kept trying to recruit me even after I said I was in samurai and would never be in another ... I'm not a kingdom hopper, although I did take a leave for a short time until it was not completely military

That was one time -_-...
I was like
"Chibi... want to join Astri? :p"

I said that because Locke_boy asked me to do it. So if you hate me for that then go kick Locke_boy in the shin or something

Dashio, let me see if I got this straight:

You aren't obligated to server Astri, but honour obligates you to do so. Therefore, rather then be dishonourable and simply quit the alliance, you decide to try to conquer us? Makes much more sense:rolleyes:

Oh ok, Zurk :p, I didn't know he asked you ;P, I just thought he said something or something and you thought you could get another warrior ^.^;; well anyways sorry for getting mad at you. ((kicks Locke_boy in the shin ;)))

:pHello Dashio

Actually why the hell would we be obligated to honour you?
We were over-run by barbarians...
that makes us obligated to honour you how?
Also I am proud to announce this only proves Rahz is a real Shogun. Shogun is short for Seiteishougun, which means "Great unifying leader who organized the expidition to overthrow the barbarians." Hurray for Rahz!

And hello my Samurai friends :D
I would get on graal but im at my grandparents house in florida and i dont know my password.

First of all, we never overan you. We kicked you out and asked Lyndzey if she wanted to be part of the alliance.

Second, you were only "overun" because you tricked us into believing that it was what the people of Samurai wanted.

Therefore, this arguement, and all other arguements you have are invalid.



FINALLY

Attacking a country that has no control over you is not "overthrowing". It'd be just like America attacking Canada.

Let me put this into real world examples. Not that it is not anything that actually happened.


South Korea feigns a revolution. It asks Nato for assistence. Nato moves in and overthrows the South korean government. Nato offers the new Korean government to be part of Nato. Korea accepts, and now builds and army while being protected by Nato. Korea now has a giant army, and attacks one of the nations in Nato under the propegandic guise of liberating itself from it's Nato "owners".

The part you don't get is the fact you were going to attack Samurai anyway, no matter what, unless they met your demands and allowed you to dominate their policies.

You were helpful to them:
if they joined the alliance.
[i]if[/if] they didn't second guess the overthrow of their leader
if they didn't second guess attacks on other kingdoms

Any you claim you 'gave' them their independence?

Besides, in your South Korea example, you'd REALLY need to look at the type of revolutionaries your aiding.
As any true conspirators that wanted the Shogun removed were doing so through treachery, it's funny you now complain you were victims of treachery.


I could probably find one or two in Astri (or Ex-Astri elsewhere) that would LOVE some kingdom to come to their aid and ensure a little revolution goes their way.

This, by the way, has been a repeated mistake throughout history, one that has bit US foreign policy in the rear more than once.

Please, though, stop pouting about it. You thought you could exploit cracks in Samurai loyalties to your advantage, and it blew up in your face.

If you weren't prepared for the contingencies, than you shouldn't have attempted the plan in the first place.

busywhatever, the samurai are posting untrue things in an attempt to gather support

I have the right to clear things up

And we were never going to attack Samurai until they asked for help. In the end they are the ones who attacked us. Just in a very weird method.

Well, if Zurki didn't threaten the Samurai, than that must of been a first. I can recall he's threatened just about every other, except maybe the pirates.

The Astri have lost all credibility on this matter.

Too bad that this time we are the ones who are correct and samurai are the ones who are wrong.